Russia to help Venezuela develop nuclear energy

Russia to help Venezuela develop nuclear energy

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Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agreed to help start a nuclear energy program in Venezuela and said Moscow is willing to participate in a socialist trade bloc in Latin America led by President Hugo Chavez.

Medvedev used his visit to Venezuela—the first by a Russian president—to extend Moscow's reach into Latin America and deepen trade and military ties. Chavez denied trying to provoke the United States.

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In what is yet another open and overt effort, to help encite a new cold war...


Russian Federation Mouthpiece ,Dmitry Medvedev, Is making his Anti-American, Latin America tour...


Venezuela has bought over 4 Billion dollars of Russian War equitment...

100,000 AK-47s


Russain Tanks...


And Russian Fighters



Also, Chavez is looking into buying Russian Subs, and some Navel Ships



As everyone should know, Peter the Great, one of the largest Ships in the Russian Navy, is in Venezulea RIGHT NOW, conducting military training excersices with Chavez Guard...




Not the most intimidating ship, until you recognise that it can fire Atomic Weapons...


Just more wonderful events happening around the world...

And now Russia has a new Latin American Dictator

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[edit on 11/28/2008 by TKainZero]

That's really great news. Russia is one of the few places on planet Earth still not infiltrated by the "you know who(if you don't know, you will soon)". US was a very happy nation in the 90s when it had a chance to extert control and buy off Russian resources. But Putin and Co put it all to rest within a few years, and got the darkness out of the country. This isn't about cold war. This is about staying independent of the true evil that controls most of the old Western World.

Russia is doing everything to halt complete domination of the world by the few select. Believe it or not, Venezuela and Iran are the good guys here. If they have to get Venezuela and Iran as nuclear allies in order to stay free, then that's what they will do.

Russia is a shining light in comparison to all the rest, and I say this as a living citizen of U.S.

There is a very small % of people who really understand the true processis of the current control regime, but you guys are on the right path and most of the truth is on these forums in one form or another.

Originally posted by TKainZero
In what is yet another open and overt effort, to help encite a new cold war...

All of the "enciting" has already taken place thanks to whole-hearted effort by the US - NATO expansion into Eastern Europe; US-back coups in Georgia, Ukraine, and Tajikistan; placement of ABM system in Eastern Europe.

Originally posted by TKainZero
Russian Federation Mouthpiece ,Dmitry Medvedev, Is making his Anti-American, Latin America tour...

As opposed to what - Bush and Dick making their Anti-Russia tours in Eastern Europe? If you are so concerned about the rising Anti-Americanism, why not look at the root of the problem and not the result? US foreign policy and militarism for the last 7 years have caused quite a stir with its arrogance if you haven't noticed.

Originally posted by TKainZero
Venezuela has bought over 4 Billion dollars of Russian War equitment...

Good. Capitalism at work. Guess who is the biggest exporter of arms and military equipment in the world? And surely you don't think that US is solely supplying good and democratic regimes that want nothing but peace and freedom.

Did you know that US used to be Venezuela's main arms supplier untill Chavez came to power. As soon as that happened, US placed a ban on all arms export deals to Venezuela, just as Venezuela was in the middle of upgrading its old and out-of-date military. So Venezuela turned to Russia instead.

God forbid a sovereign nation wants to upkeep its military.

Originally posted by TKainZero
100,000 AK-47s

Russain Tanks...

And Russian Fighters

Also, Chavez is looking into buying Russian Subs, and some Navel Ships

Great for him. What's wrong with him building up Venezuelan military?

Originally posted by TKainZero
As everyone should know, Peter the Great, one of the largest Ships in the Russian Navy, is in Venezulea RIGHT NOW

OH NO - there is a military exercise held by two sovereign nations in international waters within 1000 miles of the US. Everybody panic.

Originally posted by TKainZero
Not the most intimidating ship, until you recognise that it can fire Atomic Weapons...

So can the B2 bombers stationed at Diego Garcia. Does that mean all of Asia should await an attack and prepare for Cold War?

Originally posted by TKainZero
And now Russia has a new Latin American Dictator

Every superpower deserves to have at least a dozen dictators around the world. Every aspiring superpower should get at least a few. Dictators are the new hot commodity of international politics.

No, this is just another expansion of providing a country who hates the US a dreaded nuclear capability.

Iran, and now Venezuela. It forces the US to spread its attention to more and more potential trouble spots.

I would suggest that Cheknya and other Islamic border areas be supplied with sophisticated weaponry and technologies to likewise cause Russia more and more problems.

Bring into NATO more former Soviet Republics, and load them down with missiles.

Let the games begin.

Originally posted by dooper
No, this is just another expansion of providing a country who hates the US a dreaded nuclear capability.

Who mentioned nuclear capability? The talk is about civilian technology. Venezuela won't be able to make nuclear weapons or missiles without a dedicated huge program of its own - and that is not in the works and is not even rumored to be.

Originally posted by dooper
I would suggest that Cheknya and other Islamic border areas be supplied with sophisticated weaponry and technologies to likewise cause Russia more and more problems.

And who do you plan to supply in Chechnya? Kadyrov? And what "other Islamic border areas" are you talking about? Azerbaijan? Kazakhstan? Turkmenistan? Can you guess how long it would take them to put the "sophisticated weaponry" on the auction block to the highest bidder. They don't need your "sophisticated weaponry", they need money.

Originally posted by dooper
Bring into NATO more former Soviet Republics, and load them down with missiles.

Been there.

Wake up. Civilian nuclear capabilities don't stay civilian. I know it, you know it, and everyone knows it.

As far as giving sophisticated weapons to Russian haters, if they sell them, they sell them. But I have a feeling that some good stuff will be used exactly as intended. Especially when "intended guarantee of constant supply" is used.

You give them a few, and as they are used as intended, you replace them. Guaranteed. On the other hand, if nothing gets used, nothing gets replaced.

Merely returning the "favor."

Just had to build a reactor in Iran. Oh well, what goes around . . .

Originally posted by dooper
No, this is just another expansion of providing a country who hates the US a dreaded nuclear capability.

Iran, and now Venezuela. It forces the US to spread its attention to more and more potential trouble spots.

I would suggest that Cheknya and other Islamic border areas be supplied with sophisticated weaponry and technologies to likewise cause Russia more and more problems.

Bring into NATO more former Soviet Republics, and load them down with missiles.

Let the games begin.

sure , go ahead , USA is near bankruptcy and will sooner or later collapse

I would suggest that Cheknya and other Islamic border areas be supplied with sophisticated weaponry and technologies to likewise cause Russia more and more problems.

despite, CIA,ISI and saudi funding of chechen war and weapons like stingers,iglas and some Metis-M ATGM , Russia has crushed the Chechen mujihadeen ,

Bring into NATO more former Soviet Republics, and load them down with missiles.

go ahead try it , firstly ,

Well all I can say is - The US has had this coming for a very long time. The US has taken its eyes off of the ball for many years concerning its 'own backyard' so shouldnt be too surprised about the Russians and Chinese moving in.

If someone stops supplying goods to a nation, someone else will soon fill the vacuum.

On another point, the Russians are only doing what the US/NATO have been doing in eastern Europe for the past 20+ years, so dont cry wolf. Its been coming a long time.

It looks like the russian's wern't joking about the nuclear threats then, I can't see this going well to be honest..

Maloy, good to see you again.




I can always rely on you to give me the view from moscow.



The Cold War is over man... Russia lost the ability to project its power into the Americas...

That DEFINATE period of world history finished. from 1946-1991...


Now, in 2008, we have begun a new cycle...


The First clash may or may not have been the South Ossetian War, and subsequent Russian invasion of Georgia. This situation is still on going, and at last news, there is a 'Berlin Wall' style wall, seperating South Ossetia, and fellow rebelious region with Georgia, Akbazejia.

Both territories will either become part of the Russian Federation, or become Russian recognized 'Kosovo-like' small ethinic countries...
Thank BJ Clinton for that wonderful little nugget...




And now that brings us to the modern world, where Putin looks like the most badass leader on the planet. I put forth that Medvedev is a total stooge for Putin, and the powers that Putin and the old guard of the KGB.




The world, most notably Russia, is pushing and testing the USA right now... they precive weakness with the Lamest Duck president, and a fresh greeny coming in...

I also understand that most of the people of Russia, hat Putin... for reasons that are diffrent then mine, but none the less...


I only hope that Russia corrects herself from within...




But this is AT LEAST the 5th or 6th global event in the last 3 months that can be shown as a new rise in Russian precense in the global theature.


Be it its Navy moving thru the Medertrianian, stopping at every petty dictatorship, Liberyia, and showing its force thru the sea, and then coming to the Americas, and establishing great relationships with the most prominent anti-American countries in the American world.

Also the instaltion of a Rocket sites near Poland...
The claiming of Georgian Territory

Working with Iran, arming them, and giving them nuclear capiblities...





Now, Maloy...


Whats wrong with Venezuela building its military... Ask Columbia that...


It is only a matter of time before Venezuela makes an aggresive move on the North Eastern Boarder with them again...

This is a place of the world that is RIPE with military juntas, and local Generals...

Personaly I think that Russia is overstepping right now... severe drop in the price of oil over the past couple months has hurt Russia more then anything...

With oil near $50 a barrel for sweet crude... Russian is very weak compared to when they attacked Georgia, when oil was near $140

The US is certainly in financial trouble. But unless you've had your head in the sand, the financial woes affect everyone.

And it's OK if Russia wants to prance a bit. It's OK if they want to create problems.

As long as they don't have a problem with the US creating problems for Russia. And of the two . . . well, I'd put my money on the US.

The bear is almost toothless.

The USSR fell apart, and I see no reason that Russia can't be taken apart a bit as well.

Russia is not real popular with its neighbors. They saw first hand the oppressive nature of Russian influence.

Wouldn't take too much to cause them even more grief.

reply to post by dooper


continue to your blah blah , USA is full of deficits , massive debts and has lost a large part of its industrial manufacturing base ,don't worry soon it will collapse

The bear is almost toothless.

don't worry, Russia has thousands of nukes , biological weapons,underground cities like Yamantau and a most powerful superweapon called 'Elipton '(possibly a scalar superweapon). Zhirinosky, a russian politican has spoken about it in a speech in 1992-93 about it

call me when american military can build a underground city like Yamantau, uragan defence , then maybe i could say that USA has some capability ,

The USSR fell apart, and I see no reason that Russia can't be taken apart a bit as well.

the breakup was a deception to lower the guard of the West and destroy it financeially , read Anatoliy Golstiyn , New lies for Old

Russia is not real popular with its neighbors. They saw first hand the oppressive nature of Russian influence. Wouldn't take too much to cause them even more grief.

and neither is USA liked in latin america or the world , USA is hated for the genocidal nation it is , don't worry , Latin america has rejected the monroe doctrine

[edit on 30-11-2008 by sadchild01]

[edit on 30-11-2008 by sadchild01]

As far as Russia having scalar weapons, of course they do. They've had scalar weapons since the 1980's for certain.

It was actually during one of their tests against the US that they learned first hand, that the US had not only the same capabilities, but was even able to hold their scalar projections with a stronger standing wave, hold it, and then shoot it right back to the sender.

As this "shorting out" occurred, all this energy they had been sending to the US was suddenly forced back, literally "soaking" the ground and the earth around their initializer. It was too much too fast.

Unfortunately, their power source was nearby, and had no idea of the experiment, and certainly not the nature of scalar energy.

So when the nearby nuclear fuel began reacting, the instinctive thing was to lower the rods into the ground, not knowing that it was already saturated with built up scalar energy, thus making the nuclear fuel even more unstable.

So they continued to lower the rods into the soaked ground, the situation got worse, and within a few days, the world knew about the incident at Chernobyl.

Believe me, Russia has nothing on the US and key allies on scalar energy. HAARP is just a diversion to give more traditional physicists a means to experiment.

Playing dumb is sometimes very smart.

We not only can intercept their directed beams, but hold those beams, and direct them right back to the source, wherever that may be.

Talk about broke? The primary difference between Russia and the United States is capital. We have built up and have imbedded masses of capital. Russia, always a good 75 years behind other Western initiatives, had their little experiment with Communism, and they failed to accumulate capital on the same scale.

Much like the US forced the USSR to go broke, the difference is not how much you lose on paper, but how much you really have.

The US could buy Russia several times over.

Which means in times of world wide economic troubles, Russia will go broke long before the US.

You don't have to like it, and you don't have to agree with it.

Doesn't change the facts.



[edit on 30-11-2008 by dooper]

Originally posted by TKainZero
The Cold War is over man... Russia lost the ability to project its power into the Americas...

So what? Does that mean Russia shouldn't try to build good ties with Latin American countries? Cold War is over - that is true. But that does not mean that Russia should sit around shut out from the world, and not build its own new foreign policy.

And Russia/USSR never had much ability to project its power into the Americas. Cuba was the only place that truly had ties to Soviet Union. Other than that the entire Latin America was under tight grip of the US sphere of influence, with CIA seeing the entire hemisphere as its sandbox.

Originally posted by TKainZero
The First clash may or may not have been the South Ossetian War, and subsequent Russian invasion of Georgia

First clash happened back in 1998 in Kosovo. After that Russia was determined to put up resistance to prevent the US from asserting its power over Russia's allies and borders.

Georgia was just a manifestation of Russia's determination. Moreover Georgian conflict has shown that US is not interested in a direct proxy war with Russia, because as soon as Russia intervened US was calling for the stop to the conflict completely. US and their Georgian puppet took a bet by going into SO, hoping that Russia not intervene and that US sphere of influence spreads even more. Their bet failed.

Now if US learned something from this conflict, hopefully nothing similar will happen again. If the US changes its arrogant foreign policy stance, Georgia might have been the last conflict of this nature.

Originally posted by TKainZero
This situation is still on going, and at last news, there is a 'Berlin Wall' style wall, seperating South Ossetia, and fellow rebelious region with Georgia, Akbazejia.

As I said in the other thread - that article is bull**** and just media throwing around cliches. You can't build a wall around South Ossetia and Abkhazia - it is impossible. No one is planning to build any walls. What is planned - is to keep the region under tight security so as to prevent another spark in the powder keg. This is in the best interest of both Ossetians and Georgians.

It is likely that with the next Georgian President, things will calm down, especially if he is from the opposition to Saakashvili. But Saaka has shown that he cannot be trusted.

Originally posted by TKainZero
Both territories will either become part of the Russian Federation

They won't. The Russian parliament has made already made a decision that this will not happen. Russia stands more to gain from them being "independent" than part of Russia.

Originally posted by TKainZero
or become Russian recognized 'Kosovo-like' small ethinic countries...
Thank BJ Clinton for that wonderful little nugget...

Yes that is what it is shaping up to be. As I said - for Russia this is an eye-for-an-eye for Kosovo. Right or wrong, it is already a done deal.

Now the hope is that this eye-for-an-eye approach will teach the US to be less arrogant in its foreign policy and military innitiatives. Next time US plans a Kosovo-like affair, it will keep in mind that there may be payback. If there was one good thing about multiple superpowers and the Cold War, is that a system of checks and balances existed in international politics.

Originally posted by TKainZero
And now that brings us to the modern world, where Putin looks like the most badass leader on the planet. I put forth that Medvedev is a total stooge for Putin, and the powers that Putin and the old guard of the KGB.

Correct as that may be - the "old guard of the KGB" ruling Russia is a myth. The old guard you are talking about is dead or dying, shut out from the world of politics for the most part. The real old guard failed by staging a coup against Gorbachev in 1991. After that it remained out of politics for good.

The people ruling Russia now - Putin, Medvedev, the Parliamentary members of United Russia, and the new government oligarchs - are all a completely new entity. Most of these individuals are only 30-35 years old. They know little of Soviet Union or KGB (except for Putin), and have nothing in common with it. They are a new generation of siloviki.

Originally posted by TKainZero
The world, most notably Russia, is pushing and testing the USA right now... they precive weakness with the Lamest Duck president, and a fresh greeny coming in...

Maybe that's good. Maybe that is what the world needs. Maybe that's what the US needs. It would be more ideal to have a balanced bi-polar or multi-polar world but without the Cold War. The question is - will the US agree to this, or will it stand in the way.

Russia does perceive a weakness of the US. This weakness is not in the military or foreign policy sense. It is self-control. US has tremendous power, but it does not have self-control to utilize that power in a responsible matter and to hold back from using this power when necessary.

Originally posted by TKainZero
I also understand that most of the people of Russia, hat Putin... for reasons that are diffrent then mine, but none the less...

Hate Putin? I wouldn't say so. There are those that like Putin, and there are those that are concerned with his policies, but don't necessarily hate him. The two are about even. A small minority actually hates him. And there is reason for concern, but not hate. He did "fix" the country that by 1998 had failed completely. He made life better for very many people. The concern is - at what cost, what is the cost-benefit trade-off, and what will he do next.

Originally posted by TKainZero
I only hope that Russia corrects herself from within...

As far as most Russians see it - there is nothing to correct. What Russia is now - is better than what it was or what it could have become. Sure it can be even better and more democratic, but people are afraid of change. You see - historically change has not been good for Russia, and people are afraid of it. They are afraid that if they try to bring about change, it will result in something worse rather than better.

Hence, Russian politics will remain very conservative for some time. Don't expect quick change, only very gradual improvement.

Originally posted by TKainZero
But this is AT LEAST the 5th or 6th global event in the last 3 months that can be shown as a new rise in Russian precense in the global theature.

What - relations Venezuela? You think this is a show of power? A few old cruisers moping around, and a handshake between two leaders? Do you really expect a large country like Russia to sit around shut-out from the world, and have no foreign policy innitiatives of its own?

Russia-Venezuela relations are nothing compared to the close-knit ties US has with some of its allies (especially in the Middle East). US has nothing to be concerned about - not with Russia-Venezuela ties at least.

Originally posted by TKainZero
Be it its Navy moving thru the Medertrianian, stopping at every petty dictatorship

It also stopped by Turkey, Greece, Italy, and several other European ports. Are they dictatorships too?

Originally posted by TKainZero
Liberyia

It didn't stop in Liberia - I think you mean Lybia. And if so - did you know that US and Lybia have good relations too now, and that Kaddafi has made major energy export deals with US and Russia.

Originally posted by TKainZero
and showing its force thru the sea

What about the US Navy - the only true world navy power that has presence throughout the world's oceans? US Navy has even been encrouching on the Black Sea. That is far closer to Russia than South Carribean is to the US.

The seas and Oceans are international waters. US has a right to sail them, so does Russia, UK, France, North Korea, Al Quida, and Somalis.

Originally posted by TKainZero
and then coming to the Americas, and establishing great relationships with the most prominent anti-American countries in the American world.

And what about US coming to the Eastern Europe and establishing great relations with the most prominent anti-Russian countries in the Eurasian world?

At least Russia isn't funding and backing coups to bring anti-US leaders to power.

Originally posted by TKainZero
Also the instaltion of a Rocket sites near Poland...

Kaliningrad is Russian terroritory. It's strategic importance has always been vital for the Russian military. Missile sites and military bases have always been stationed there. The Iskander proposal makes strategic sense. Plus they are not nuclear missiles. They have conventional warheads. My understanding is that Iskander has always been developed with Western Russia defense in mind.

Originally posted by TKainZero
The claiming of Georgian Territory

They didn't claim it. They aknowledged its independence.

Originally posted by TKainZero
Working with Iran, arming them, and giving them nuclear capiblities...

What's wrong with Iran? Its militaristic rhetoric isn't more dangerous than that of the US. Do you propose the entire world boycott US too for its actions and rhetorics?

[edit on 30-11-2008 by maloy]

Originally posted by TKainZero
Whats wrong with Venezuela building its military... Ask Columbia that...

Did US ask India when it was supplying Pakistan's military? Did US ask Iran when it was supplying Iraq's military back in the 70's and 80's? Did US ask Egypt, Syria, and Jordan when supplying Israel. Did US ask Venezuela when supplying Colombia? Di US ask Russia when supplying Georgia?

Arms exports is a business. A dirty business especially when supplying "hot zones", but a business that virtually every developed nation is involved in.

Venezuela is nothing compared to supplying of some "hot zones" around the world. I doubt that there will be a war with Columbia there. Relations are bad, but they are not critical. And it is difficult to determine who is actually to blame - Venezuela or Columbia.

The fact is, prior to Russia selling arms to Venezuela, Columbia's military was far stronger than that of Venezuela. Now Venezuela is catching up. So if anything, this added balance to the equation.

Originally posted by TKainZero
It is only a matter of time before Venezuela makes an aggresive move on the North Eastern Boarder with them again...

Says who? Do you know what Venezuela's military innitiatives and plans are? I doubt it. Chances are - nothing will happen. Chavez will risk too much, and he is not as dumb as you think.

Originally posted by TKainZero
This is a place of the world that is RIPE with military juntas, and local Generals....

Guess who is to thank for that? The US and CIA. Latin America was its sandbox for half a centure, and thanks to US dictators and murderes like Pinochet rose to power in the first place.

Why do you think most of Latin America is becoming so anti-US and electing socialist leaders? For the same reason that Eastern Europe is becoming anti-Russia. They've had enough of being dominated and exploited.

Originally posted by TKainZero
Personaly I think that Russia is overstepping right now... severe drop in the price of oil over the past couple months has hurt Russia more then anything...

Russia had build up a sizeable monetary reserve which should carry it throw the tough times. Unlike US, Russian government saw budgetary surpluses for the last several years. Russia has hundreds of billions of dollars in reserves from these surpluses, and is using them to get through. US on the other hand is forced to increase its deficit in order to fund its bailout package.

Originally posted by TKainZero
With oil near $50 a barrel for sweet crude... Russian is very weak compared to when they attacked Georgia, when oil was near $140

You do know that Russia has much more than oil, and oil makes up a small portion of its GDP. Russia's main resource - natural gas accounts for much more, and natural gas did not lower in price. Then there are precious metals and minerals, forestry, agriculture, industry, space technology, military technology.

Don't confuse Russia with Saudi Arabia. Oil may be what got Russia's economy moving, but oil isn't Russia's sole source of wealth.

Originally posted by dooper
Talk about broke? The primary difference between Russia and the United States is capital. We have built up and have imbedded masses of capital.

What "masses of capital". Private capital won't carry you through the recession - no private entity want's to take a risk. Tell me what is the US federal deficit right now? And where is the money for the bailout package coming from? You want to take a guess what the US federal deficit will be after the global recession ends?

Now guess what Russia's federal deficit is? I'll tell you - there isn't one. Russia had a budgetary surplus for the last 6 years or so. It has build up monetary reserves of hundreds of billions of dollars. These reserves will carry it through the recession, without a need to take on a large debt.

Russia has made plans for federal budget and economic growth for the upcoming decade back when Putin came to power in 2000. At that time oil was predicted to be at around $50-60 per barrel. Thus Russia's budget is based on this forecast, which has never been changed.

Originally posted by dooper
Russia, always a good 75 years behind other Western initiatives

How so? How is it behind? Examples?

Originally posted by dooper
had their little experiment with Communism, and they failed to accumulate capital on the same scale.

They did develop modern infrastructure for the largest country on earth, they did develop modern high-tech industry, they did develop an energy infrastructure. Above all this during Soviet Era Russia managed to develop an educated population whose knowledge of science and engineering rivaled the most developed Western nations. Today Russia has the largest college-educated percentage of population in the world.

As for capital - it is lost as quickly as it is build. Take the recent financial crisis as example. By some Western estimates, US financial sector lost as much as 1/4 of its capital, and this may be only the first stage of the recession.

So before you try to show that Russia is poor and has nothing - try to gain some background knowledge and form an understanding of how national economies operate.

Originally posted by dooper
The US could buy Russia several times over.

Buy Russia with what? Goodwill and IOU's? Try and come up for the funds for your pitiful bailout package first to get yourselves out the recession, and then hypothesize about purchasing other countries.

Originally posted by dooper
Which means in times of world wide economic troubles, Russia will go broke long before the US.

Really? And you base that conclusion based on what economic and budgetary data?

It is easy to say if your neighbor Joe will go broke. It is not easy to say if a country will go broke. There are too many factors and assumptions that are figured into this. Even the best economists cannot make these predictions about nations going broke. And you can?

Originally posted by maloy

Originally posted by dooper
Talk about broke? The primary difference between Russia and the United States is capital. We have built up and have imbedded masses of capital.

What "masses of capital". Private capital won't carry you through the recession - no private entity want's to take a risk. Tell me what is the US federal deficit right now? And where is the money for the bailout package coming from? You want to take a guess what the US federal deficit will be after the global recession ends?

Now guess what Russia's federal deficit is? I'll tell you - there isn't one. Russia had a budgetary surplus for the last 6 years or so. It has build up monetary reserves of hundreds of billions of dollars. These reserves will carry it through the recession, without a need to take on a large debt.

Russia has made plans for federal budget and economic growth for the upcoming decade back when Putin came to power in 2000. At that time oil was predicted to be at around $50-60 per barrel. Thus Russia's budget is based on this forecast, which has never been changed.

Originally posted by dooper
Russia, always a good 75 years behind other Western initiatives

How so? How is it behind? Examples?

Originally posted by dooper
had their little experiment with Communism, and they failed to accumulate capital on the same scale.

They did develop modern infrastructure for the largest country on earth, they did develop modern high-tech industry, they did develop an energy infrastructure. Above all this during Soviet Era Russia managed to develop an educated population whose knowledge of science and engineering rivaled the most developed Western nations. Today Russia has the largest college-educated percentage of population in the world.

As for capital - it is lost as quickly as it is build. Take the recent financial crisis as example. By some Western estimates, US financial sector lost as much as 1/4 of its capital, and this may be only the first stage of the recession.

So before you try to show that Russia is poor and has nothing - try to gain some background knowledge and form an understanding of how national economies operate.

Originally posted by dooper
The US could buy Russia several times over.

Buy Russia with what? Goodwill and IOU's? Try and come up for the funds for your pitiful bailout package first to get yourselves out the recession, and then hypothesize about purchasing other countries.

Originally posted by dooper
Which means in times of world wide economic troubles, Russia will go broke long before the US.

Really? And you base that conclusion based on what economic and budgetary data?

It is easy to say if your neighbor Joe will go broke. It is not easy to say if a country will go broke. There are too many factors and assumptions that are figured into this. Even the best economists cannot make these predictions about nations going broke. And you can?

Russia has problems with the falling commodities and oil prices. They are fine, but not that fine. They don't have a very diverse economy. Metal, energy, weapons.

Whoever stated the CIA funded the Chechens really is over the edge. You believe that propaganda? You didn't really crush them anyway, a country 1/20 the size of Iraq with only a million people and you lost so many; which is why you are trying to blame the west. The fact is the Russian military is terribly equipped and poorly trained. The older conscripts beating up the younger. The officers aren't very good either.

Seriously stop the BS trying to state the Russian military is up to par with western froces, it’s just not true. Putin stated he wants to professionalize the military and when that happens we will seed.

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good fiction

As far as Russia having scalar weapons, of course they do. They've had scalar weapons since the 1980's for certain.

It was actually during one of their tests against the US that they learned first hand, that the US had not only the same capabilities, but was even able to hold their scalar projections with a stronger standing wave, hold it, and then shoot it right back to the sender.

As this "shorting out" occurred, all this energy they had been sending to the US was suddenly forced back, literally "soaking" the ground and the earth around their initializer. It was too much too fast.

actually, the soviets have had scalar weapons since 50's(refer Tom Bearden American Colonel) , Khrushchev spoke of a very powerful superweapon development in 1960, that could anhilate theplanet, and from what i know , Soviet union managed to deploy in 1965 , whose first test was in 1966, while the first US true scalar superweapon was tested in 1981
refer to wood pecker grids and even Sura which was deployed(in 1981) before HAARP(in 1992)

Unfortunately, their power source was nearby, and had no idea of the experiment, and certainly not the nature of scalar energy. So when the nearby nuclear fuel began reacting, the instinctive thing was to lower the rods into the ground, not knowing that it was already saturated with built up scalar energy, thus making the nuclear fuel even more unstable. So they continued to lower the rods into the soaked ground, the situation got worse, and within a few days, the world knew about the incident at Chernobyl.

actually, USA had nothing to with Chernobyl firstly , that was a fake accident , deliberately , done by the Russians , possibly to show that their civil defence is ineffective in event of nuclear war , in Gorbachev had stated in his speech to Communist party in 1986 , a few months before that fake accidents would be deliberately created to show that USSR is incapable of civil defence while it was implementing fake democracy, which the West very much feared .....
again the russian politican Zhirinosky had also stated that elipton was responsible for armenian earthquake

Playing dumb is sometimes very smart. We not only can intercept their directed beams, but hold those beams, and direct them right back to the source, wherever that may be.

and this is precisely when the first US scalar weapons came , that for which scalar Quantum potential superweapons like Elipton were developed , these devices are capable of harnessing both Dark energy and extracting energy by breaking the space time continuum , refer Oganok report of 1992 , reported to be deployed in Uragan Defence underground city , which is comparable to Yamantau ...

Soviet scalar weapons program began under Stalin after Russians saw that USA had the atomic and it needed something to neutralise it ,

Talk about broke? The primary difference between Russia and the United States is capital. We have built up and have imbedded masses of capital. Russia, always a good 75 years behind other Western initiatives, had their little experiment with Communism, and they failed to accumulate capital on the same scale. Much like the US forced the USSR to go broke, the difference is not how much you lose on paper, but how much you really have. The US could buy Russia several times over. Which means in times of world wide economic troubles, Russia will go broke long before the US. You don't have to like it, and you don't have to agree with it. Doesn't change the facts.

again nonsense from you
Communism is not GDP based ,its resource based

The primary difference between Russia and the United States is capital.

incorrect, it was backing of oil for the dollar , that made USA the undisputed financial superpower

Much like the US forced the USSR to go broke, the difference is not how much you lose on paper, but how much you really have. The US could buy Russia several times over

USA never made USSR broke , it was the implementation of the Andropov Plan that lead to fake collapse of USSR , I suggest you read Jan Sejna and Anatoliy Golitsyn(new lies for the old) on this issue , 94% of his predictions made in 1982 on the USSR came true ...
in which Rockafeller has controlled the communist regime (with the exception of Stalin,Khrushchev,Brezhnev)
by the way, Bush is proceeding towards world communism ,Obama is a communist too ,

The US could buy Russia several times over. Which means in times of world wide economic troubles, Russia will go broke long before the US.

US dollar has nothing to back it currently and has massive debts in magnitude of 17 trillion$ , as for Russia going broke , no , Russia has large levels of surplus money and natural resources

Believe me, Russia has nothing on the US and key allies on scalar energy.

no , incorrect , Russians feared that if they used scalar wepaons on USA , then USA would unleash its biological superweapons and decimate the russian population as biological weapons are unstoppable , the KGB had always stated that USA has a Black biological super weapons program and therefore , President Brezhnev in 1974 intiated project 'Biopreparat' to catch up with US bioweapons and even develop counter measures to it . while soviets were never able to prove that USA had a bioweapons program in 80's , but soviet bioprogram was exposed by defector Ken Alibik ...

P.S it was the threat of bioweapons that enabled NWO to contain the Soviet union when it was ruled by Brezhnev, had it been not for Western bioweapons , USSR would have conquered the west in 80's, and bioweapons are much cheaper than nuclear or scalar weapons



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Originally posted by hadjimagnet
Russia has problems with the falling commodities and oil prices. They are fine, but not that fine. They don't have a very diverse economy. Metal, energy, weapons.

Russia is in a recession too, but it is in no way going broke. The economy may not be diverse, but the benefit is that Russia isn't affected severely by stock market crashes, unlike the US or other capital-based economies. Russian stock markets have fallen too, but they account for only a minor part of the GDP. On the other hand US stock markets are vital to its economy.

Originally posted by hadjimagnet
Whoever stated the CIA funded the Chechens really is over the edge. You believe that propaganda?

I didn't state that, and I do not believe it.

Originally posted by hadjimagnet
You didn't really crush them anyway, a country 1/20 the size of Iraq with only a million people and you lost so many; which is why you are trying to blame the west.

Umm - I don't know who you are talking about, but Russian government isn't blaming the West for Chechnya. Nor have I given an indication that I do.

The first Chechnya war was lost because of the idiots in command of the Russian operation. Everything about how that war was waged was wrong. There were too many costly mistakes. The blame for that lies on Yeltsin, his incompetent generals, and the Russian oligarchs who profited from the war.

And the Chechens are significantly different from Iraqis. They had very skilled fighters, who were either trained in the Soviet army or in various Middle Eastern countries. They were were also well armed - prior to the war they raided many local Russian arms warehouses and looted a large amount of newest equipment. Plus it wasn't just the Chechens who fought the Russians. There was a very large amount of insurgents too - from all over the Middle East and the Caucasys. So not all the rebels were from the million or so Chechen populations. There were Dagestanis, Ingush, Turkmens, Tajiks, Afghanis, Turks, Saudis, Syrians. At the peak there were no fewer rebel combatants in Chechnya than there are in Iraq or Afghanistan now.

So don't compare Chechnya to Iraq or Afghanistan. It was a very complicated war, and Russians weren't putting much effort into it untill Putin came to power.

Originally posted by hadjimagnet
The fact is the Russian military is terribly equipped and poorly trained. The older conscripts beating up the younger. The officers aren't very good either.

I agree. However there is a major effort underway to change all that, and the government is trying its best to correct the problems. It will take a long time - as much as a decade. But progress is gradually being made.

But since when is this thread about the Russian military? What is the point of derailing the topic?

Originally posted by hadjimagnet
Seriously stop the BS trying to state the Russian military is up to par with western froces, it’s just not true.

It isn't on par - I agree. Why does every Russia topic have to degenerate into dumb discussions or who is stronger. There is no point in this chest beating.