A New Angle on the JFK Assassination

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www.churchofsatan.com...

Anton LaVey took the preservation of his Church seriously, and thus appointed many individuals to the Priesthood of Mendes to be his Devil’s Advocates, and this Priesthood—along with the Order of the Trapezoid and the Council of Nine—continued working with Magistra Barton to forward the iconoclastic philosophy synthesized by LaVey.

www.dpjs.co.uk...

The chairperson's title is Grand Master/Mistress of the Temple Magistra Templi Rex
The Council of Nine is made up of select members of the Priesthood and is the ruling body of the Church of Satan, responsible to the High Priest/Priestess[1].

The Church of Satan was co-founded by Anton Levey and a Crowley-fanatic named Kenneth Anger. He also had ties to the OTO, the organization that was an influence on the creation of Nazism, and counted in its membership Jack Parsons. The OTO's believes also spawned the Council of Nine channelings, so the idea, which actually dates back to Ancient Egypt, found its way into the Church of Satan via the OTO.

Another connection between Aquino and the Council of Nine channelings, aside from the obvious MK-Ultra, lays in Aquino's "Church of Set". As mentioned earlier, the inner circle of the OTO is the A.A., whose beliefs in Sirius obviously had an impact on the Council of Nine. Look at this quote from Aleister Crowley's right hand man, Kenneth Grant:

"The Order of the Silver Star is thus the Order of the Eye of Set, 'the Sun behind the Sun.' ...The Silver Star is Sirius."

www.mystae.com...

[edit on 10-11-2008 by Someone336]

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Thanks for the leads on the books! I'll check them out!

Originally posted by SuperViking
If you say so. I have a very high clearance and it seems rather apparent that Kennedy's assassination was the result of a rather free-wheeling and careless CIA under the charge of Wisner and Bissell. But whatever floats your boat.

Say, would you mind telling us, not so in the know, folks, what security clearance you posses? Also, could you also list all the clearance levels that are available? Then explain how your clearance allows you to know the entire Kennedy assassination from A to Z.

Thanks

LOL it's not about information regarding JFK's assassination, it's about the after effects of a too obvious and too aggressive covert operation level.

Following in a similar vein to that previous post, some strange things occur when you look at the assassin of RFK, Sirhan Sirhan.

"Sirhan Sirhan: Assassin of Modern History" www.crimemagazine.com...

Occultism caught Sirhan's interest. Klaber and Melanson wrote that "Sirhan fervently embraced the realm of the mind: self-hypnosis, mind control, mysticism. He practiced the mental projection of images and ideas. He frequented one Pasadena bookstore that specialized in the occult and got a part-time job at another. There he read books he could not afford to buy, books with titles like The Laws of Mental Domination, Thought Power: Its Control and Culture and Meditations on the Occult Life: The Hidden Power.

"Sirhan also joined the Rosicrucians, a self-described ‘ancient mystical order.' In May 1968 he paid $20 to join after seeing an ad in a newspaper."

Pasadena was where, through Paperclip connected scientist/Jet Propulsion Lab head Jack Parsons, that the Ordo Templi Orientis. While Sirhan's connection to the Rosicrucian order isn't enough to connect him to the OTO, the following may be:

Many have identified the "most precious" secret of OTO as being the Star Sapphire - a sex magick ritual, It is represented by the two-triangle earth hexagram, and looks exactly the same as a Star of David.

One page of Sirhan Sirhan's notebook, written during the early months of 1968, contains three stars and three triangles, with the first two triangles pointing down; the third pointing up.

Underneath the stars, we find the words, “triune” and “saffire”. Here then, is the key - “saffire” being the phonetic spelling of “sapphire”. What Sirhan had drawn were not Stars of David as a manifestation of his enmity to Israel. They were Star Sapphires. Not even the triangles were mere doodles, but contain various meanings within gnostic teaching depending on which way they point. “Triune” according to the same teachings is a description of man as being made of body, soul and spirit.

reopenjfkcase.dockearth.com...

Look at these quotes from Sirhan's notebook:

Do we look like foreigners to you
who are not able or unable -

demonstrate

mathematics

those

sukroot[5] Illuminati

AL HILAL[6]

Master Kuthumi[7] Illuminati

Um Kulthoum[8] Illuminati[9]

abdel wa wahab[10]

en.wikisource.org...

The reference to the Illuminati is interesting, because Crowley wrote about them at length, and the founders of the OTO were interested in reviving the Illuminati secret society ( en.wikipedia.org...(mystic) ). Kuthumi, on the other hand, is one of the "world teachers" or "ascended masters" of Theosophy.

This is excellent suggestions that Sirhan Sirhan was connected to the Jack Parson's OTO branch, and it also connects him to the Council of Nine, thus, MK-ULTRA. This quote from "Sirhan Sirhan, Assassin of Modern US History" is especially telling:

Dr. Bernard Diamond testified that Sirhan admitted killing Kennedy whom he regarded as an enemy of the Arab people but claimed he had no recollection of either the shooting or writing in his notebooks. After putting Sirhan under hypnosis several times, Diamond concluded that Sirhan had previously been hypnotized, probably self-hypnotized, and that those self-induced trances led to the assassination.

"With absolutely no knowledge or awareness of what was actually happening in his Rosicrucian and occult experiments," Diamond explained, "[Sirhan] was gradually programming himself . . . for the coming assassination." The programming took place in "his unconscious mind" while "in his conscious mind there was no awareness of such a plan."

the bell, in wiki- en.wikipedia.org...


space nazis- en.wikipedia.org...
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greyfalcon.us...

The first non-official report on the development of this craft is to be found in Die Deutschen Waffen und Geheimwaffen des 2 Weltkriegs und ihre Weiterentwicklung (Germany's Weapons and Secret Weapons of the Second World War and their Later Development)., J.F. Lehmanns Verlag, Munich, 1956. The author of this detailed and technical work on German wartime weaponry was Major d.R. Rudolf Lusar, an engineer who worked in the German Reichs-Patent Office and had access to many original plans and documents. Lusar devoted a section of the chapter entitled "Special Devices," to Third Reich saucer designs.

Among other things, Lusar declared:

German scientists and researchers took the first steps toward such flying saucers during the last war, and even built and tested such flying devices, which border on the fantastic. According to information confirmed by experts and collaborators, the first projects involving "flying discs" began in 1941. The blueprints for these projects were furnished by German experts Schriever, Habermohl, Miethe, and the Italian expert Bellonzo.

Habermohl and Schriever chose a flat hoop which spun around a fixed pilot's cabin in the shape of a dome. It consisted of steerable disc wings which enabled, according to the direction of their placement, in horizontal takeoff or flight. Miethe developed a kind of disk 42 meters in diameter, to which steerable nozzles had been attached. Schriever and Habermohl, who had worked together in Prague, took off on 14 February 1945 in the first "flying disc". They attained a height of 12,400 meters in three minutes and a horizontal flight speed of 2000 KMH. It had been expected to reach speeds of up to 4000 KMH.

Massive initial tests and research work were involved prior to undertaking the manufacture of the project. Due to the high rate of speed and the extraordinary heat demands, it was necessary to find particular materials in order to resist the effects of the high temperatures. Project development, which had run into the millions, was practically concluded by the final days of the war. All existing models were destroyed at the end of the conflict, but the factory at Breslau in which Miethe had worked fell into the hands of the Soviets, who seized all the material and technical personnel and shipped them to Siberia, where successful work on "flying saucers" was conducted.

Schriever was able to leave Prague on time, but Habermohl must be in the Soviet Union, since nothing more is known concerning his whereabouts. The aged German builder, Miethe, is in the United States developing, it is said, "flying saucers" for the A.V. Roe Company in the U.S.A. and in Canada..

The project is usually referred to as the Schriever-Habermohl project although it is by no means clear that these were the individuals in charge of the project. Rudolf Schriever was an engineer and test pilot. Less is known about Otto Habermohl but certainly he was an engineer. This project was centered in Prag, at the Prag-Gbell airport Actual construction work began somewhere between 1941 and 1943 This was originally a Luftwaffe project which received technical assistance from the Skoda Works at Prag and at a Skoda division at Letov and perhaps elsewhere. Other firms participating in the project according to Epp were the Junkers firm at Oscherleben and Bamburg, the Wilhelm Gustloff firm at Weimar and the Kieler Leichtbau at Neubrandenburg . This started as a project of the Luftwaffe, sponsored by head of the Luftwaffe’s Technical Section, Generaloberst (Colonel General) Ernst Udet. It later came under the control of Albert Speer's Armament Ministry at which time it was administered by engineer Georg Klein.

Finally, probably sometime in 1944, this project came under the control of the SS, specifically under the direct control of SS-Gruppenführer (General) Hans Kammler.

Kammler was the head of the Bell project.

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Viktor Schauberger [1885-1958], an Austrian inventor who was closely involved with Hitler's Third Reich, worked on the advancement of a number of flying disc-shaped craft for the Nazis between 1938 and 1945. Based on "liquid vortex propulsion" many of them, according to records, actually flew. One "flying saucer" [fliegende Untertassen] reputedly destroyed at Leonstein, had a diameter of 1.5 meters, weighed 135 kilos, and was started by an electric motor of one twentieth horsepower. The vehicle was equipped with a turbine engine to supply the energy required for liftoff.

According to Schauberger:

If water or air is rotated into a twisting form of oscillation known as 'colloidal', a build up of energy results which, with immense power, can cause levitation. On one attempt one such apparatus"rose upwards, trailing a blue-green, and then a silver-colored glow.

The Russians blew up Schauberger's apartment in Leonstein, after taking what remained following an earlier visit by the Americans.

Schauberger supposedly was later involved in working on a top secret project in Texas for the U.S. Government and died shortly afterwards of ill health.

Maybe we should see what he was doing in Texas?

Note the blue green glow. Look at these UFO encounters:

November 3rd, 1957:

U.S., Smyer, Texas: A 19-year-old student at Texas Tech noticed his car was running poorly while driving home. At Smyer, his engine began to sputter, the ammeter discharged, and the car eventually stopped completely. The lights had also failed. After checking the engine, the student saw an oval-shaped object on the road ahead. It was about 75 to 100 feet long and gave off a blue-green glow. The witness tried frantically to start the car, but was unable to do so. After a few minutes, the object rose and moved instantaneously out of sight to the north. His car could then be started and the headlights immediately came back on. (Blue Book)

www.scientificexploration.org...

Summer of 1948:

One night in the summer of 1948 Clyde W. Tombaugh, the discoverer of the planet Pluto, was sitting in the back yard of his home at Las, Cruces, N. Mex. With him were his wife and his mother-in-law. It was about 11 p.m. and they were all sitting quietly, admiring the clarity of the southwestern sky, like any proper astronomical family. All at once they all saw something rush silently overhead, south to north, too fast for a plane, too slow for a meteor. It seemed to be quite low. All three of the witnesses agreed that the object was definitely a solid "ship" of a kind they had never seen before. It was of an oval shape and "seemed to trail off at the rear into a shapeless luminescence." There was a bluegreen glow about the whole thing. About half a dozen "windows" were clearly visible at the front of the ship and along the side. They glowed with the same blue-green color as the rest of the ship, only the glare was brighter, and had a touch of yellow in it.

Here's the only thing I've really been able to find about Schauberger in Texas:

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We don’t know the exact background of the American adventure. Nobody knows exactly what happened, and many people speculate about it. In 1958 two men, two Americans came here. They promised Viktor mountains of gold. They said, 'Anything you want, Viktor, you can have. It will be possible to bring it all with you. Come with us to Texas.' Viktor understood no English, and Walter only spoke basic English. He was only interested in the language of Mathematics and Physics. There was a translator, a naturalised German-American. He said to me, 'No word. Don’t talk about this to anyone. We are watching you.'

First they went to New York. There was an official welcome. ‘What luck for America, what luck for you,’ they said. They spent three or four days in New York then flew to Dallas. Then they drove out into the desert. They were provided with a bungalow in the desert. And so Viktor and Walter asked, 'When can we begin to work?' 'You must have time to acclimatise,' they said. But there was no work, no target. Walter did not know why they were there. They always had the feeling that they were being controlled.

Viktor became ill and went into the hospital. They did everything possible, anything he wanted, first class treatment. But nobody in the USA told the family in Austria that Viktor was ill. We didn’t know he was ill.

He wanted to come back home. They said, 'If you want to return to Europe, you must sign this document.' He had to promise not to speak about his ideas. If he had any new ideas, he was not allowed to speak to anybody about them. Only to the Americans. He was forced to sign this document. Five days after his return, he died. Before he died, he always said 'I can’t say anything. They have taken my words.'

After Viktor’s death, an American came and apologised to Walter for the way they had been treated. But he couldn’t explain why it had happened, either. Later, other Americans came, five or six of them at different times. They all said, 'You will have to excuse the treatment you had. Not all Americans are so bad.' But Walter had nothing to do with Americans after that.

www.implementations.co.uk...

The implication of a black project, most likely related to UFOs, being operated near Dallas, could have profound implications on this current investigation.

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I agree that LBJ was involved, but reasons other than financial profit. It may have been a small reason but one only needs to look at the psychology of LBJ. He was a man obesessed with his own legacy. He wanted to be president and wanted his name in history to be remembered. He tried so hard and pushed policies sometimes he really didnt back for the reason that he thought history would remember him as one of the greats. He had complete obsession with his legacy that it would make him almost paranoid. I think powers within made a deal if they gave him the presidency certain policies and wars be allowed. I dont think he knew a whole lot of what was to happen just that it would and he would get what he wanted as long as others got theirs. I do think he felt guilt towards the end of his term.

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Schauberger's Saucer:



And the mysterious American's identities:

Schauberger was first brought to the attention of a group of private American "investors" by one Karl Gerchsheimer, who emigrated from Germany in 1922, eventually settling in Texas and marrying an American wife in 1937. According to Coats, it appears that Gerchsheimer became involved with the US military during World War Two in its Counter-intelligence Corps, eventually becoming the man in charge of all transport, logistics, and accommodation for the American army of occupation in Germany after the war. He returned to the USA in 1950 and established a metal fabrication company, manufacturing a number of items for NASA under contract.

and

In any case, I do not believe it is entirely fair to the Schaubergers to discount the possibility that the whole "private funding" venture via Robert Donner and Karl Gerchsheimer was not an operation designed to place into the hands of the US military and its research facilities the fundamental outlines of Schauberger's concepts.

In any case, a meeting was held on the Totten Ranch in early September 1958. Present were the two Schaubergers, Robert Donner, Boerner, and possibly Viktor Schauberger's machinist, Alois Renner. Based principally on the reports he had received, Boerner reported to the group that Project implosion was "a viable proposition." Boerner believed that "the solution of the problem of energy lay in the proper interpretation of Max Planck's equation E=hv, formulated in 1900, and the Freidrich Hasenohrl-Albert Einstein equation E=Mc2." 31 Doubtless Boerner had in mind a rather remarkable paper that Walter had included in his reports, a paper that related these two fundamental equations, plus Kepler's Third Law of Planetary Motion

www.thewebfairy.com...

I don't remember where I heard or read it from, but wasn't there a "rumor" that JFK was going to spill the beans about UFOs while in Texas and that's why he was taken out?

Does Bell Aviation have any connection to the "Bell-Shaped" UFOs?

I think parts of the Octopus was Crowley, which inspired Jimmy Page and the whole "Electric Magik" thing, which is a ceremonial work of the "transformation." More of the tentacles are the New Age Religion garbage. It's all to "raise the conscience" (transform) or in actuality, to "break the connection with God" that man has to give way to the Anti-Christs reign. After all, he can't come unless we want him to. And how do you get a majority to "want" him? Through a transformation of the conscience, which is the inner self, and which is in direct opposition to Christ transfiguration, which was the outer.

I don't remember where I heard or read it from, but wasn't there a "rumor" that JFK was going to spill the beans about UFOs while in Texas and that's why he was taken out?

This may be what you're referencing:

www.rense.com...

"Yet another document appears to be a memorandum written from President Kennedy to the director of the CIA regarding "Classification review of all UFO intelligence files affecting National Security."

In this memo, Kennedy stated, ". . .I have initiated [blacked out] and have instructed [then NASA Administrator] James Webb to develop a program with the Soviet Union in joint space and lunar exploration. It would be very helpful if you would have the high threat cases reviewed with the purpose of identification of bona fide as opposed to classified CIA and USAF sources. It is important that we make a clear distinction between the knowns and unknowns in the event the Soviets try to mistake our extended cooperation as a cover for intelligence gathering of their defense and space programs."

Kennedy then asked for all files on "Unknowns" to be turned over the NASA authorities and an interim report be forwarded to the White House no later than Feb.1, 1964."

Robert D. Morningstar sent me this memo from JFK...which was drafted just before he was assassinated. Morningstar is one of the leading authorities on the conspiracy behind the November 22 assassination, and through his research he has obtained many relevant documents.

Does Bell Aviation have any connection to the "Bell-Shaped" UFOs?

Its actually named after Lawrence Dale Bell, who founded his company in 1935, supplying the P-39 "Airacobra" and P-63 "Kingcobra" fighter aircrafts during World War II.

I think parts of the Octopus was Crowley, which inspired Jimmy Page and the whole "Electric Magik" thing, which is a ceremonial work of the "transformation." More of the tentacles are the New Age Religion garbage.

Check this out:

www.conspiracycafe.net...

Referencing documents in British, American, French and Italian archives, Spence discovered that Crowley was connected to the sinking of the Lusitania, a British luxury liner that was torpedoed off of Ireland, killing 1,198 of the people aboard; the sinking turned public opinion in many countries against Germany in World War I. Crowley also helped thwart Irish and Indian nationalist conspiracies, connived with the Communist International and played a murky role in the 1941 flight of Rudolf Hess.

and this:

en.wikipedia.org...

He also conceived of a plan to use British occultist Aleister Crowley to trick Rudolf Hess into attempting to contact a fake cell of anti-Churchill Englishmen in Britain, but this plan was not used because Rudolf Hess had flown to Scotland in an attempt to broker peace behind Hitler's back. Anthony Masters's book The Man Who Was M: The Life of Charles Henry Maxwell Knight asserts Fleming conceived the plan that lured Hess into flying to Scotland, in May 1941, to negotiate Anglo–German peace with Churchill, and resulted in Hess's capture: this claim has no other source.[6]

(In light of that, this is pretty interesting: www.sirbacon.org...)

Crowley's ideas spawned the Council of Nine, which was a product of the CIA's MK-ULTRA.

Very interesting. I always thought that the true nature of the Hess flight to Scotland was never made public and the cover story for it is that he thought he could broker a peace. Part of the old cover story is that Hitler tried this to calm the Western Front while he threw all his might into Operation Barbarossa against the Russians. That would have been rather naive. Hitler and Hess knew that the Allies were not about to broker any kind of peace.

I believe the reason Hess flew to Scotland remains a very deep, dark mystery and one that's extremely fascinating. Hess and Hitler were not naive, not stupid. There had to have been a very compelling reason for Hess to fly there and it wasn't to make peace. Perhaps he brought with him some evidence that Nazi scientists were creating UFO vehicles and other superior weapons. But there seems to me to be even more to it than that.

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Someone336, nice post to start all this discussion. The question you asked was, "what does this have to do with the space race?...

The answer is everything! There is no Space Race...only a master plan to have us think there is one. The "Paperclippers" from Naziland, you discuss, were aware of the
ever-present objects in low earth orbit and were brought to the U.S. and Russia to help deal with all this..President Truman formed the CIA and all the other secret agencies and the disinfo campaign began, which amazingly, as you point out, these people were also involved with the JFK tragedy.

Meanwhile, budgets from all the countries were needed to, as President R.R. said at the U.N., ...to unite all the countries of the world to come together because of a global threat
from
aliens from another planet...[and various R.R. versions over a 5 year period)..So along comes the endless Space Station "WATCH" by Astronauts of all countries...throw in all the NASA video that got out for all to see and it is clear that we are at a stalemate with the UFOs and are in effect
under quarantine. So this is the end result of what you explained-which began with the Nazi capture of the scientists and their treasures. I have seen all the video from 20 plus (1990's)

shuttle missions and I can assure you that there is an omnipresent UFO watch going on by both sides. ..so many times the shuttle cameras pan off and follow these "objects"..this is why the Black and white "STAR" shots are no longer shown on NASA TV. The night shots ,we were told were shots of stars...opps.. Wrong...so a ban on night starry
views...Today only BLACK space is what is shown on NASA TV. The Stubbs NASA Video releases on youtube, clearly show that we

are STILL dealing with President Truman's 1947 UFO screw up and, like "W",............ Truman's
escalation of intelligence powers and his sudden creation of the CIA. That is what SDI and BMD and The deployment of weapons in space is really all about, (especially lasers) which are piggybacked with the normal space station business-the transportation of items related to "building the I.S.S."..but we have been and still are, observed and Quarantined as far as MANNED exploration
is concerned... , nuff said.. and a great "thread"..thanks Someone 336

The Torbitt Document identifies one of the financiers of Permindex as Roy Cohn, while wikipedia.com shows that he sat on the board of directors. Roy Cohn was McCarthy's partner in the 1950's "Red Scare", while secretly being a homosexual himself.

www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk...

Cohn was a friend of Lewis Rosenstiel, who worked for the 1001 Club/Mossad connected Mafia figure Meyer Lanksy, and ran rum in prohibition. I'm currently checking to see if Rosenstiel had any ties to Joe Kennedy. If anybody knows, let me know! There is a strange connection between Rosentiel, Cohn, and Hoover:

Summers says he got his info from Susan Rosenstiel, fourth wife of Lewis Rosenstiel, chairman of Schenley Industries, a liquor distiller with reputed mob connections. Ms. Rosenstiel claimed that in 1958 she and her husband went to a party at a New York hotel, where they met Hoover and McCarthy witch-hunt lawyer Roy Cohn. Hoover, whom Cohn introduced as "Mary," was supposedly wearing a wig, a black dress, lace stockings, and high heels. Hoover went into a bedroom, took off his skirt to reveal a garter belt, and had a couple of blond boys--one wearing rubber gloves--"work on him with their hands." Cohn and Hoover then watched while Lewis Rosenstiel had sex with the boys.

www.straightdope.com...

Cohn, had other connections to sexual perversions: he was said to have run a string of male prostitutes. He had a birthday party thrown by Craig J. Spence.

"Craig J. Spence, an enigmatic figure who threw glittery parties for key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, media stars and top military officers, bugged the gatherings to compromise guests, provided coc aine, blackmailed some associates and spent up to $20,000 a month on male prostitutes, according to friends, acquaintances and records... The man, a business associate of Mr. Spence who was on the White House tour [arranged by Spence and attended by two male prostitutes], said: "He was blackmailing people. He was taping people and blackmailing them."

www.isgp.eu...

Present at many of these parties was Le Cercle member and ex CIA direcor William Casey, who was also Cohn's friend. He was from the same group of intelligence men in postwar Europe that included Allen Dulles, James Jesus Angeleton, and William Colby, while he was involved with Ted Shackley in October Surprise. He operated in NATO's Operation Gladio, worked for Wackenhut, and had ties to the mob; in short, he was in deep with the cabal we've been discussing.

Casey was also affiliated with Larry King (not the TV host!) of Franklin Credit Union, which was connected to Ed Cline's and Ted Shackley's drug smuggling. Larry King was said to have hosted extravagant parties, where there would often be reports of pedophilia. George Bush Sr. was said to be present at these parties, as was Casey.

www.francesfarmersrevenge.com...



Also present at these parties was the aforementioned Michael Aquino, the neo-Nazi Satanist army psychologist who was connected to MK-ULTRA, who seems to be indirectly connected to the Council of Nine!

i *wonder* sometimes if the 'UFO/Alien thing' is not THE singularity dictating world events, certainly since after WWII and if not loooong before that. but 'things' changed in a big way when the AtomicAeon began..........

wow, this is my kind of thread!!!!!

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Yeah I missed it so far. Nov 22 brings them all out.
JFK, Hitler, Tesla.. saucers, and bears. Oh My.

Yeah some one posted the Kennedy - Lincoln one.

Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846
Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946

He was elected President in 1860
He was elected President in 1960

His wife lost a child while living in the White House
His wife lost a child while living in the White House

He was directly concerned with Civil Rights
He was directly concerned with Civil Rights

Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told him not to go to the theater
Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln who told him not to go to Dallas

Lincoln was shot in the back of the head in the presence of his wife
Kennedy was shot in the back of the head in the presence of his wife

Lincoln shot in the Ford Theater
Kennedy shot in a Lincoln, made by Ford

He was shot on a Friday
He was shot on a Friday

The assassin, John Wilkes Booth, was known by three names, comprised of fifteen letters
The assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, was known by three names, comprised of fifteen letters

Booth shot Lincoln in a theater and fled to a warehouse
Oswald shot Kennedy from a warehouse and fled to a theater

Booth was killed before being brought to trial
Oswald was killed before being brought to trial

There were theories that Booth was part of a greater conspiracy
There were theories that Oswald was part of a greater conspiracy

Lincoln's successor was Andrew Johnson, born in 1808
Kennedy's successor was Lyndon Johnson, born in 1908


This must be on a few threads on ATS today.
Not related according to the video JFK II, Kennedy prevented war with
Cuba and Russia and was about to dismantle the CIA and end the FED
charter. And didn't the conspiracy with Booth have some web pages
telling us all about it.

So now we have Lincoln, JFK, Hitler, Tesla.. saucers, CIA and FED,
Russia and US war mongers.

I turned on the TV, big mistake, and Oswald is being touted as a
great loner on some JFK TV show on today saying how Oswald did so much on his own. Finding the Cuban CIA camps under orders from J E Hoover as told in JFK II will be one lone act forgotten. Mind control is so wonderful from the cartels who own us. Kennedy had lone assassin and Hitler had a lone burning and Tesla had too many nurses while the FBI was packing his trunks.

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I agree with most of your post, but I believe you are underestimating LBJ's knowledge of the plan for two reasons.

1. Documented comments to Madeline Brown by LBJ at the party, hosted by and at the home of Clint Murchison the night before JFK was murdered. Those attending were: J. Edgar Hoover, Clyde Tolson, HL Hunt, John McCoy, George Brown of Brown & Root, mafia kingpins, tv reporters, and one Richard Milhaus Nixon.

Lyndon arrived at 11:00PM and went into a close door meeting, with the above persons, and after a short time, LBJ exited the meeting, walked over to Madeline and grabbed her by the arm and with a "grating whisper, a quiet growl, into my ear, not a love message, but one I'll always remember:"

"After tomorrow those goddamn Kennedys will never embarrass me again - that's no threat - that's a promise."

2. The only other evidence found in the area of the "snipers nest" other than that which "incriminates" LHO, was the fingerprint of the little finger of Mac Wallace. Mac was a very close business associate of LBJ and his fingerprint was found on the corner of a carton that were used to make up the "snipers nest". This information is documented but is not widely know by the public.

I believe LBJ's men were responsible for setting up the sniper's nest and the planting of incriminating evidence, to include the Mauser/Mannlicher-Carcano. Mac should have worn gloves.

I believe most information regarding the spoken words or actions of LBJ following the assassination was nothing but out right lies and window dressing for the American public. This includes the conversation between Hoover and LBJ just after the assassination. It was all for show. They were both involved in the planning and the cover-up, probably from the very beginning.

So I kinda disagree, LBJ was very involved up top of his bald head.

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