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Originally posted by HaveSeen4Myself
My posts drew lots of replies alright, from so-called UFO skeptics spewing pure venom. In short order, I was belittled, ridiculed, and laughed at while my posts were quickly buried by an overwhelming majority of rude hecklers.
Fast forward to 2008. The present situation remains largely the same, with scenarios similar to what I have just described taking place daily all over the internet and here at ATS.
Originally posted by Badge01
Great post on the 'illusion' of science and 'fact'. It's true we only perceive that which is evidenced by our own senses and we know that our senses lie to our brain (example: perspective).
BUT, I don't think you can say that the Members -here- who take a skeptical point of view do so because they are in denial or they have fear.
Sightings that are hoaxed on purpose comprise a high number of the total 'sightings'. So it makes sense that driving out and exposing hoaxes should be everyone's numer one priority. Only then can we look at what remains, both objectively and subjectively.
Though perception is only a measure of reality it is also our best measure. We know perception can be fooled. So any real encounters have to stand up to considerable dissection and deliberation, lest we group them in error with any 'true' sightings and thus form an inaccurate picture of what is going on
Originally posted by damagedoor
When it comes to direct witness testimony, though, it's tricky. The fact that someone claims to have stood next to an ET is not enough for me to believe ETs exist, and that is always going to be a problem in discussions. Although it may remain unspoken, we would both know I don't believe you. The possibility of offence is inherent in the conversation.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
The reason we're here is because we are also in search of the truth. However, we don't find the truth in blurry videos of lights in the sky and "eyewitness" testimony. The fact of the matter is, the internet has made it much easier for people to hoax. Not only because of the access to more people, but also because of the anonymity. In the past if you had an experience, but no physical proof, it would still have some weight to it because by coming forward you were exposing yourself to ridicule. Now, however anyone can go online and post a story and experience no backlash of any kind.
The fact is most skeptics find ufology to be just as important as the believers and thus this leads to our reason for our skepticism. Believers tend to think they can change people's minds based off the sheer amount of evidence there is regarding the UFO phenomena, but the fact of the matter is you can show a person millions of videos of lights in the sky and their mind will never change. The skeptic is trying to move ufology away from this, which is why we try to disregard any evidence that isn't beyond a shadow of a doubt unexplainable.
We want ufology to move beyond the laughingstock it is now and to become a legitimate science, but this can't be done with unverifiable stories and ambiguous videos. You need undeniable evidence and the more times people present bad videos and personal accounts as proof of what is going on the farther away we move from our goal of legitimizing ufology.