People 'can't wait for ID cards'

Rather than refuse to buy/accept the card, declare 'administrative warfare' instead and jam the system with paper and conflicting information to the point where it all becomes one ugly broken mess of tangled information...a unified database is only as effective as the information entered into it

declare an overnight stay at another address...hotel/friends house/etc as a 'temporary change of address', change your name by deed-poll every other week...be more petty about declaring changes of circumstances than the card-issuing authority insists upon and to just within the bounds of law on giving deliberately misleading information....the possibilities for paper-based mischief are endless!

Here's a prime example of how to abuse the system...Mark Thomas style









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Did it ever occur to anyone that they are using the UK as a test bed of ideas, a beta site if you will. It is a relatively small, contained area with somewhat diverse people. You have cameras everywhere, echelon and now smart ids along with giant databases and data mining. They are getting it right, debugging the application, before rolling out the application world wide.

What worries me is the end result of a national ID card. Eventually these things will also be our driving license, passport, the technology is there to link them to credit/debit cards etc. they tell us that these cards are to help combat illegals, I.E. stop the terrorists, but doesn't that mean there will have to stop people on the street to check the cards? and if you happen to go out without your card will you then be escorted to your home to get itor taken straight to e detention centre? But I'm afraid we wont get any choice, lets be realistic I cant remember to PTB doing a u-turn on anything because of a petition in recent years

reply to post by ZindoDoone


Don’t get me wrong, I like your idea, and I’ll be giving all the friends and family little magnet and hammers for Christmas...
And yes, it’s a filthy horrid crime they RFIDs are in children.
Sure, I love the idea it’s a great way to keep track of children and hopefully save lives in case of kidnapping...
BUT...
It always starts out as something to *save lives* and then ends up taking them (their freedoms) doesn’t it.
It’s a pitiful crying shame.

There's no way in hell I'm signing that petition. It's like little red riding hood telling the big bad wolf where she lives. Like it's going to make any difference. If you want to sign a petition, sign this one.

www.no2id-petition.net...

www.no2id.net...

Yes, there is something you can do: Say NO!! If everyone does the same, there's not a damn thing they can do to make us.

However if you google, what's disturbing is the amount of people who are actually in favour of ID cards.

Don't think for one moment that voting for the Tories will make much difference. Back in 2004, they were all in favour of ID cards. They'll make false promises, simply to get into power and once they do, it will be business as usual.

news.bbc.co.uk...

It's not ID cards that I'm against, it's the fascist control freaks within the EU, New Labour, Tories & Lib Dems who want to control everything and everyone.

The secret silo for your family's data

Those who question the 'database state' are often accused of alarmism. But what if we were to report that a recent series of announcements show that the government is already spending millions on a vast database that will retain digital copies of all variety of tracking and information about the whole population, our phone calls, bank accounts, commercial records as well as personal ones, and that it is creating the authority and powers which allow it to do this by hiding behind EU regulations which it has inspired, to impliment them without a parliamentary debate? Now read on:

www.opendemocracy.net...

The problems with "ID Cards"

www.no2id.net...

reply to post by Velvet Death
Yes, I 100% agree with you that they are beta-testing England. It's difficult for me to imagine them not using this experiment to abuse/control people through various ways in the future through continued expansion/public tolerance of this total surveillance all-seeing-eye technology.

Perhaps this is the true secret of the Illuminati or Third-eye societies: Their pursuit of the Third eye. They have tried for perhaps hundreds of years, and the video camera and computer chip is currently their best medium.

Unless there is a financial/power base crackdown on secret societies, they will soon reach the technological point where viruses or manufactured thought waves may influence people's behavior to the point where it is externally controlled by 'puppetmasters'.

It may be too late at this point... Unless the civilian power struggle picks up in Britain, starts protesting these sad Big Brother TV shows, to call for an end to this misguided, wasteful, eventually abusive/murderous way of ensuring societal peace or stability.

reply to post by kindred


Hey why don't we all say no to paying our taxes as well? The reason people don't say no is because there won't be a large enough party to make a difference... just get arrested and made an example of. Yes the ID card will integreate with your financial records in the end and if you resist any other changes from then on....

Switch off

reply to post by spitefulgod


I found that a rather chilling advert when I first saw it on the box too.

I can envisage hybrid contactless integrated biometric identification and payment systems appearing on the horizon before too long...will be interesting to see if there will be a raft of card-PIN related feel-bad news stories that would herald and promote the introduction of such a system

I'm sitting here in tears laughing so hard. I had never heard Mark Thomas before. The mans a true genius. Thanks for those audios. Really, Really funny stuff and spot on!!

Zindo

I wonder if the cards will all be the same color or if we can get them personalized, like the covers on cell phones.

I dont read in the NWO forum much, but will start after I saw this thread. I knew things were getting out of hand across the pond, but didnt think it had gotten this far.

I hadnt heard about chips in children yet. I have heard about chips in convicts on parole, especially child molesters. To keep everyone safe of course. I do know of a watch out there that you strap to a kid and you can monitor everywhere they go. Even locks!!

Just a matter of time before we'll need these things to buy or sell or breathe. Which brings me to this point, quoted from Silo 13

It always starts out as something to *save lives* and then ends up taking them (their freedoms) doesn’t it.

This is a great point. Yet people on this site constantly question why Americans are so insistent about owning firearms.

reply to post by kindred


Thanks for the petition links.

reply to post by salchanra


You're spot on with the link between mobile technology and the ID / payment cards, I did start this thread on what I think the future will hold for the project.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The RFID tag is a limited and crude technology so we'll be using mobile phones instead

The mobile phone IME will be linked directly to you and your bank account

The mobile phone will be integrated with a fingerprint reader for added security during payments, also the reader means that stealing the phone will render the phone useless. A print scan and PIN will be required to pay for items, an updated more secure version of bluetooth will be used when communicating cost to the phone.

The fingerprint reader will mean that your phone is used for all ID needs whether to prove your age, identity or access to limited areas. Also the ID features of the phone will be used for integration into your home, car, work areas etc, you won't be able to go anywhere without it.

All web traffic will be based on the phone (increased speeds will mean you won't need a home based modem) so placing it next to your computer will allow you to use it as a modem, with that constant tracking and cataloging of all your interest will be used for profiling by the agencies if need be.

New technology will mean everything you say will be recorded and sent off to into the cloud for processing, this will be used so that governments can pick up on certain key words and if need be punish you for it. Although such technology will exist under the guise of "you phone will listen to you and deliver instant information concerning the subject your talking about"

GPS and cell tracking will mean that all your movements are recorded, since your ID, communications and money are based on the phone you won't be leaving home without it.

reply to post by spitefulgod


Nice to know I'm not the only one who thinks like this. I gotta hang out over here more often.

I've often wondered after something like this is implemented, in the case of a phone with this information on it, would it simply be issued at birth. Kind of like a social security number that is also your phone number?

Originally posted by whoswatchinwho
What worries me is the end result of a national ID card. Eventually these things will also be our driving license, passport, the technology is there to link them to credit/debit cards etc. they tell us that these cards are to help combat illegals, I.E. stop the terrorists, but doesn't that mean there will have to stop people on the street to check the cards? and if you happen to go out without your card will you then be escorted to your home to get itor taken straight to e detention centre? But I'm afraid we wont get any choice, lets be realistic I cant remember to PTB doing a u-turn on anything because of a petition in recent years

Have you seen the new barclay card ad contactless scanning no need to stick it in the chip and pin reader just flick it past the reader this sounds like plan b no need for id cards everyone uses bank cards hey guys great fun technology little do you know we will pu scanners on every street corner and any where else we see fit and you will know nothing about it 666 number of the beast !!!!!!!!

reply to post by XxthehoffxX


I haven't seen this ad, I take it it works similar to the bar code scanners we have at the moment?

reply to post by whoswatchinwho


It's posted above on the second page

does anyone here know how one could contact jacqui smith? is it possible to write to this fiend? is she incredibly stupid or just a sinister bitch?

Does anyone else feel that the UK is a testing ground of sorts for the eventual plan of the NWO? I mean if they're going to test any of their ideas, it would make sense to do it in a smaller country like the UK, instead of a large nation like the United States.

Today they give people in the UK IDs, tomorrow they will try it in the US. Tomorrow they give the UK implanted chips, next week they will try it in the US.

ID Cards aren't so bad They are very useful..
Well maybe that's what I think cuz i've always had one since i was 8 years old...

The only harrasing thing they do with the cards here sometimes, the army stops u on the street, check ur ID number and see if you have any criminal charges If not, you are free to go lol

I've told them they legally can't do that (Cuz i know my constitution) and they just laugh lol, anyway, they have big guns with them can't push them and run

Interestng that all see what is happening as a travesty, and a horror, but if you want to make a difference... You're going to have to do something beside sit behind your keyboard and rant. Get out and make a change!

Alas, I don't think it will happen. Look at what happened in the US the other day... We took another step toward ID cards and such. People don't want to be free anymore. At least as I see it in the US of A. We, as a pack, would rather a cradle to grave government teat. We don't want to have to take responsibility for our survival. Nope! Better to let the government be responsible for taking you money and giving it to me. It's a lot more fun to be mediocre or worse than it is to take hold and deal with self determination.

I lived in England, as a US military member for four years from 74 - 78, and grew to love the England that I remember back then. Except for the fact that the HMS Government had already taken over much of peoples day-to-day existence and responsibility. Many people lived on the dole, simply because they could make more money there than being gainfully employed. Whose fault is that? Surely not the evil powers behind Coronation Street.

I kind of wonder what happened to the freedom loving people who stood fast, and almost alone, at first, against the tyranny of Naziism in the dark days of World War II.

Of course, the same thing can easily be applied to the US of A... Except there's just more of us who are convinced that it's better to sit behind a keyboard and mentally "spank the monkey", complain and rail against the government than it is to take physical action and be responsible for our own determination.

I'm 60 years old, grew up in the era of flower power, long hair, free love and pot. May seem like a liberal thing (I don't know that the term is even clear enough to apply to anything anymore)... I spent time defending my country in a far away place called South Viet Nam... Regardless of what you may think of those halcyon days. They don't have a lot of years to do too much to me, so I'm all for getting out, demonstrating as necessary, and getting my hands dirty.

Further, we on this forum are quick to throw labels on circumstance. We call everything we don't like NWO... (At least have enough spit and gumption to type it out in full, so you can look at what you are dealing with). But, I believe you are all wrong. It's not the NWO (New World Order). It is not a conspiracy against humanity. It is simply government gotten out of control, because, pissy as we may get, we still would rather stay at home, in our warm houses, eat our snacks at violently protest with our keyboards than get out and become activists.

No. We deserve what we get, because we are basically all afraid of change and challenge.

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