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2Th 2:3 Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition,
2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself forth, that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Do you not remember that I told you these things when I was still with you?
2Th 2:6 And now you know what holds back, for him to be revealed in his own time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already working, only he is now holding back until it comes out of the midst.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming,
2Th 2:9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness in those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, so that they might be saved.
Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
Let us for the sake of argument say it refers to a man who died in the 90's.
This just can not be. Why? Because just a few verses down, it states that this Man of Sin / Lawless One will be destroyed by the brightness of Christ's Coming. Since he is already dead, many who held to this theory, now apply it to his son. But even if we accept this transference it makes no sense, because the shattered mess he presides over, is completely apostate, and no longer keeps the Sabbath. No, this flip flopping is not good, saying it was the father (who died) and then transferring the prophecy to the son, just does not wash.
Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2
Just to add to what I was saying...
If you want to apply the 2 Thess. 2:4, to a man in the 90's...and call him the "abomination of desolation", this involves so much double think I find it hard to imagine anybody can swallow this theory.
1) he died, so he can not be "destroyed by the Brightness of Christ's Coming"
2) you can not transfer this to the son, even if you wanted to, because he did not "set up" the "abomination", his father (supposedly) did.
3) if it applied to him (the one that died) then the 1290 days came and went. Christ has not returned. Scripture is broken.
4) if you start the 1290 with his death then #3 applies again.
5) if you start it this month (Nov. 14 2008), and then twist the meaning around of the Daniel passages to mean that the desolation is ENDING. This simply is ludicrous. If the "desolation" is ending (the double think interpretation) then that would mean the Laodicean Era will reverse its condition and become Philadelphian. Bible prophecy does not indicate this, and it certainly is not happening.
6) Also, if the desolation is starting (or ending...or maybe starting) this month, then the falling away would start this month....It's history, so it can not be "starting" now.
There is so much double think involved, I can't imagine how anybody can accept this without getting a nose bleed.
Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2
The bible is clear on the identity of this Man of Sin : it is the False Prophet, who will work miracles in the sight of men (such as calling down fire), and will cause all men to worship the Beast, as well as himself.
(KJVR) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
(LITV) And then "the Lawless One" will be revealed, "whom" "the Lord" "will consume" "by the spirit of His mouth," and will bring to nought by the brightness of His presence.
(MKJV) And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming,
(RV) And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;
(YLT) and then shall be revealed the Lawless One, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the manifestation of his presence,
(RV) And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.