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one thing i know as well is... there are no sacrifices being held anywhere...
Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
This second passage is more clearer, here are 3 translations of it
Dan 11:31 (BBE)
31 And armies sent by him will take up their position and they will make unclean the holy place, even the strong place, and take away the regular burned offering and put in its place an unclean thing causing fear.
Dan 11:30-31 (ASV)
31 And forces shall stand on his part, and they shall profane the sanctuary, even the fortress, and shall take away the continual burnt-offering, and they shall set up the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:31 (KJV)
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate
Note what we have:
1) Army comes by force
2) Daily Sacrifice forcibly stopped (this does NOT require a Temple, it is possible, but it is unlikely)
Some definitions are in order....
Abomination - is a Hebrew synonym FOR AN IDOL.
Abomination is from H8262; disgusting, that is, filthy; especially idolatrous or (concretely) an idol: - abominable filth (idol, -ation), detestable (thing)
The words holy place / sanctuary / sanctuary of strength is from H4720
From H6942; a consecrated thing or place, especially a palace, sanctuary (whether of Jehovah or of idols) or asylum: - chapel, hallowed part, holy place, sanctuary.
(pronounced) mik-dawsh, meaning a consecrated place or thing,
In the OT this can refer to the Tabernacle, or the Temple, or a Holy Room, or something consecrated like the alter.
From above passage it should be clear which it is referring to...
...And shall take away the continual burnt-offering, and they shall set up the abomination that maketh desolate. ..
They (the army) will by force, back some MAN who will come in...and halt the sacrifice and he will place an idol on the alter to desolate and desecrate it.
(as BBE translation puts it..)
"Take away the regular burned offering and put in its place an unclean thing causing fear. "
Abomination = An Idol
The Desolator = Army + Leader of that Army
The Desolation = Desecration of Alter of Sacrifice
Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
This is another passage, a key passage, becomes it time stamps this occurrence, WE CAN KNOW WHEN THIS HAPPENS exactly in the framework of prophecy.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days
Most people quote and read Dan 12:11, which discusses the 1290 days, THIS IS THE TIME THE ARMIES DESOLATE JERUSALEM.
But they sort of glance over the next verse and miss an important clue! It time stamps this event! Do you see how?
In other words THIS EVENT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. This IS NOT a reference to the destruction of Jerusalem and Temple in 70 A.D. (although that was a type of what will happen).
Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
What is the Abomination of Desolation?
Matt 24:15-21 (KJV)
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mark 13:14-20 (KJV)
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
Luke 21:20-25 (KJV)
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! For there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Dan 11:31 (BBE) And armies sent by him will take up their position...
Luke 21:20 (KJV) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Dan 11:31 ... And shall take away the daily sacrifice...
Dan 12:11 ...And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away....
Dan 11:31 (BBE) ... And put in its place an unclean thing causing fear.
Dan 11:30-31 (ASV) ...and they shall set up the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:31 (KJV) ... And they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate
Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place..
Mark 13:14-20 (KJV) But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not....
Luke 21:20-25 (KJV) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Matt 24:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Luke 21:20 (KJV) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mark 13: 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be
Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
There were many other events in the OT that were a foreshadow of the things to come ..which was why it was written and we are supposed to read for an EXAMPLE ...what has been before will be again ..