Two Days Before We Pull The Trigger, I Still Don't Get It

(Disclaimer: This is not a flame-Obama thread but an honest question by a perplexed voter. Some of you may think that I am a McCain supporter but actually I am voting against Obama by voting for McCain. As I have said before, I don't have a horse in this race since RP dropped out)

After two years of listening to campaign speeches, keping an open mind, researching statements, listening to opponents on both sides, listening to pundits on both sides.

And I still don't know why anyone would vote for Obama.

Yes he is hip, charismatic and smooth. And yes he is easy to like but Every idea he has for this country scares me to death.

I am not trying to flame anyone or get into a debate I just honestly would like to hear from Obama supporters why they would vote for him.

And please don't just say because "he isn't Republican" or because "he isn't Bush", or "anyone but Bush" or "McCain is just like Bush"

Lets leave Bush out of and party lines aside, we are a more intelligent grop than that. Honestly tell me what you see in Obama that would make you vote for him.

[edit on 2-11-2008 by deathhasnosound]

i think when your only choice for so long has been between a douche and a turd sandwich, any option besides the same old is going to be attractive.

Originally posted by pieman
i think when your only choice for so long has been between a douche and a turd sandwich, any option besides the same old is going to be attractive.

Very ...er...colorfully put there pieman.
But no matter how frustrated people should evaluate Obama's ideas don't you think?

Originally posted by deathhasnosound

Yes he is hip, charismatic and smooth. And yes he is easy to like but Every idea he has for this country scares me to death.

It might be the case that the ideas he have don't 'scare other people to death'.

Perhaps they think they're good ideas, things they agree with. Now, it's obvious you disagree with them quite strongly, but you have to accept that for many Obama supporters have weighed the pros and cons - you can't dismiss them all for falling for style over substance or that they won't have considered this as carefully as you - and ultimately prefer his ideas over McCain's.

You might think the ideas are unAmerican, 'wrong' or that his maths don't add up, but you'll just have to accept that many, many people see it differently.

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Voting for any given Tyrant is wrong for they only seek to get 50% of your time this is when you work for money 1/2 the time you do this you do it for the Tyrants they take 1/3 right off the top the other 15% you pay as you buy & sell and on the property you think you own

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They are ready are You ? Prepare your hearts for the baptism of fire if you can not make it to Addison Ky hwy 144 go into the MSA's and recieve the literal baptism of fire (for they were as silver tried by fire) just as we have a litetral baptism of water we too will have a literal baptism of fire and the gov can not prevent this it is in the Holy Scriptures where 100% of the prophecies are TRUTH :8) Peace & Blessings

Anyone who says there will be change will win after the trainwreck Bush leaves behind.

It all feels so planned. McCain is the guy who wants to continue where Bush left off, Obama wants to do something different. Of course people will pick Obama.

McCain could have had a chance if he had some ideas for change and wanted to end the empire building, but he wasnt designed to do that. He was designed to be put in as the "wrong choice" so people would feel they have a choice.

Ummm.... Maybe because they agree with his policies? Are you really so selfish and conceited to think everyone has to agree with your viewpoint? Meh, it's quite ironic... You are an American, NOT the Americans

These are a couple things that make me weary of Obama/Biden Now I am not going to list everything just the most blatant ones..

1. He feels that we are selfish by not wanting to "share" our earnings.
2. They feel it is Patriotic to pay taxes (wtf?)
3. He wants to "spread the wealth around"
4. His campaign has dropped the "will tax you" limit from $250k to $120k within one week. I am scared it will continue to drop AFTER he is in office.

I don't think there is anyone out there that actually agrees with these ideas. Or is there?

Originally posted by Copernicus

Anyone who says there will be change will win after the trainwreck Bush leaves behind.

It all feels so planned. McCain is the guy who wants to continue where Bush left off, Obama wants to do something different. Of course people will pick Obama.

McCain could have had a chance if he had some ideas for change and wanted to end the empire building, but he wasnt designed to do that. He was designed to be put in as the "wrong choice" so people would feel they have a choice.

it seems as if the path to election victory this time was the most obvious thing in the world in retrospect but 20:20 hindsight is a great thing.
mccain isn't exactly a neo-con, he was a good choice if the electorate were as apathetic as usual, he's a bit bush lite. the thing is, there seems to be an angry silent majority that has been inspired to vote.

it isn't the fact that he's calling for change alone that is going to get him elected, it's also the fact that he is getting a big chunk of people who wouldn't normally vote up and out.

dispite what the media are saying, i will be really surprised if this election isn't tighter than a ducks backside, and if obama wins it'll be on the back of these new voters.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
These are a couple things that make me weary of Obama/Biden Now I am not going to list everything just the most blatant ones..

They feel it is Patriotic to pay taxes

So you suddenly have a problem paying taxes after you've been doing it all of your damn life?

Originally posted by pieman
...an angry silent majority that has been inspired to vote.

... it's also the fact that he is getting a big chunk of people who wouldn't normally vote up and out.

...these new voters.

I would guess this is code speak for the many black voters that will be coming out of the woodwork to vote for the first black candidate to actually have a chance?

reply to post by deathhasnosound

Some of you may think that I am a McCain supporter but actually I am voting against Obama by voting for McCain. As I have said before, I don't have a horse in this race since RP dropped out)

Here, here! I've spent alot of time thinking about who I AM going to vote for. I cannot, in good conscience, vote McCain (ie: against Obama). I'm thinking of writing in Ron Paul, or voting Cynthia McKinney.

Obama is a very charismatic speaker, but I just get a low level 'heeby jeeby' vibe from him too. I wish there was more honesty going on. I'm so very tired of trying to figure out the sub-text, the sub-sub-text, et cetera, ad nauseum............

Originally posted by ThatDGgirl
Obama is a very charismatic speaker, but I just get a low level 'heeby jeeby' vibe from him too.

The exact same way I feel. Like there is something just not right kinda feeling.
Very well put.

the MSM possesses incredible, unregulated power.

their agenda is clear, and brazen.

they disguise opinion shaping as news reporting.

anyone who follows events can identify their obvious mission.

it is their intent to place BO in the whitehouse. period.

has the LA Times released that video yet?

do you know why they withhold it?

thats simply one, tiny example of how they shape public opinion.

if it had been mccain or palin, it would be on our telly's all day and all night.

my instinct is that if they have to re-invent a person entirely into somehting they are certainy not, and keep this ruse up with the oldest tricks in the book (criticism of obama is racist!) then the natural choice is the candidate they actively steer us against.

the MSM has intently looked the other way on issues vital to finding out just who BO is.

red flags all over the media for me.

for a more detailed accounting and devoted documentation of the MSM agenda, visit NewsBusters.

you'll be glad you did.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
These are a couple things that make me weary of Obama/Biden Now I am not going to list everything just the most blatant ones..

1. He feels that we are selfish by not wanting to "share" our earnings.
2. They feel it is Patriotic to pay taxes (wtf?)
3. He wants to "spread the wealth around"
4. His campaign has dropped the "will tax you" limit from $250k to $120k within one week. I am scared it will continue to drop AFTER he is in office.

I don't think there is anyone out there that actually agrees with these ideas. Or is there?

It depends on how selfish you are, and the fact that you point out the particular points above as concerns, speaks volumes of your own perspective and approach to life.

Unfortunately, the general populous of the US equates sharing to socialism and socialism to Communism, with such a narrow perspective on such viewpoints I fear the US will remain a selfish capitalist society who cares only for their own desires and will continue to rape the world of it's scarce resources whilst others suffer.

Thankfully many in the US are waking up to the injustice the US and many other capitalist based societies are reaping on the world, let hope its not too late.

Edit:
I also fear that some of what eydrautha says is true.

[edit on 2-11-2008 by Koka]

The creepy feeling..I get that from those how have been in office for years and have guided the country onto the rocks.

Paying taxes, no one wants taxes but if there is to be a federal government then taxes are the reality. I would like to see it downsized and for those who spend the money to have respect for the value of the tax dollar to the payers and realize that they owe that to the payers. The government isn't a business selling a consumer product to make a profit.

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The creepy feeling..I get that from those how have been in office for years and have guided the country onto the rocks.

I passed creepy/heeby jeeby on these guys roughly in Sept 2001. It's now outright disgust and nausea. You can tell they're lying when their lips are moving. And Dick Cheney??? One VERY scary mofo.

But the HJ's about Obama...... it's like when you're watching a movie and they do a 1 sec flash to something awful in an otherwise normal setting..... that's as close as I can get to describing it for me.

Originally posted by deathhasnosound
I would guess this is code speak for the many black voters that will be coming out of the woodwork to vote for the first black candidate to actually have a chance?

it isn't code speak for anything, it's black people, hispanic people, young people, people who just hate republicans, people who dislike the influence the religous right have, people that just refused the choose between a douche bag and a turd.

i meant people who hadn't voted before but will vote for obama in this election. please don't put words in my mouth. i thought you said you weren't going to get into this crap.

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Originally posted by deathhasnosound
The exact same way I feel. Like there is something just not right kinda feeling.
Very well put.

If it's OK to vote AGAINST Obama because of a "heeby-jeeby vibe" and "not right kinda feeling", then why is it NOT OK to vote FOR him because he's charismatic, smooth and hip... a good vibe or an inspiring feeling????

What a LOAD of hypocrisy!

Having said that, I posted my reasons for voting for him here. And yes, I also think he's intelligent, charismatic, thoughtful, brilliant, calm, steady, smooth and hip.

4. His campaign has dropped the "will tax you" limit from $250k to $120k within one week.

This is NOT TRUE.

[edit on 2-11-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]