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Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by earthman4
but russia is one of the "puppets" too, in alot of ways
that was my point
thats why im extremely distrustful of ANY propaganda about THAT war
can anyone say cia vs kgb proganda war? no telling who else is involved
my suggestion, instead of "holding your nose" as you read these articles and "reports" and opinions, we need to put on the "gas masks" metaphorically speaking
Originally posted by Marius Blackwood
My gut tells me that article has been sensationalized quite a bit. I cannot imagine tanks wasting ammo by firing into basements to waste a few women and children.
Still, I'm sure much of it is the truth.
In a speech before the United Nations last month, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili implored world leaders to set up an international investigation to find out the truth about the war in South Ossetia.
I couldn't agree more. But I think the results of an honest investigation would reveal a very different "truth" than what President Saakashvili claims.
I know this because I was in Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, on Aug. 7 when Georgian troops marched into the city and killed my friends and neighbors. I huddled with my family in terror for three nights while Saakashvili's tanks and rockets destroyed hundreds of our homes, desecrated cemeteries, gutted schools and hospitals.
I also have good reason not to trust what Saakashvili says. For three days before the attack I had been getting calls from many Georgian friends warning me to get out. They said Saakashvili was planning an attack. Most of the Georgians living in South Ossetia left because they knew what was coming.
On the night of Aug. 7, Saakashvili went on television and assured the frightened civilian population of South Ossetia that he would not attack us. This was long after the time Saakashvili now claims Russians had begun "invading" Georgia.
Ossetians went to bed relieved and thankful for a peaceful night.
Less than two hours later, according to credible international accounts, his artillery, bombers, and three brigades of ground troops unleashed what I can only describe as a fierce hell on our city. In the moment, we knew only our fear as we hid. Afterward I spoke with hundreds of Ossetians to find out what was done to us.
My friend's elderly father tried to douse the flames set by Georgian fire on the home he had built with his hands. His leg was severed by shrapnel from Georgian weapons. He bled to death while his disabled wife crawled from their burning home.
Ossetians saw Georgian tanks firing into basements where women and children hid for safety They saw fleeing families shot down by Georgian snipers. We learned that the Georgian military had used Grad rocket systems and cluster bombs against Tskhinvali.
When I came out from hiding, thanking God that the Russians had saved our lives, I was dismayed by the reaction of the international media to what had happened. There was nothing about Ossetian deaths and the unprovoked horrors inflicted by Saakashvili's military. It made my heart sick.
The truth has been crushed by Georgia's powerful public relations machine as mercilessly as Georgian tanks rolled over the defenseless civilians of Tskhinvali.
I know that Americans are a generous and fair people. But Americans haven't been told the truth about what happened to us. Americans don't understand that Ossetians are an independent, Christian Orthodox people with a deep history in our land. The world talks only about Georgian freedom. What of freedom for my people? Does our suffering, do our voices, mean nothing?
I don't blame the Georgian people for what happened to us. The vast number of Ossetians and Georgians want to live in peace. I blame Georgia's leaders.
Saakashvili has persuaded the world that he is a "beacon" of democracy and openness. But he won't even tell his own people the truth. My Georgian friends weren't allowed to see any Russian news sites during the conflict because all of those sites were blocked by Saakashvili's government.
I know we are a small people, and I make no claim to understanding the experts in geopolitics with their theories and pronouncements about the great powers. But I have fought for women's rights in Ossetia for 12 years and I believe in the truth.
In a recent article, Saakashvili cynically dismissed Ossetian suffering and deaths because, he said, Russia had "lied" about how many of my people were killed by the Georgian military.
It breaks my heart to even engage in this discussion. No one – including Saakashvili – knows how many Ossetians were killed by his Army. I have friends who buried loved ones in their backyards because there were no alternatives. Many people are still missing.
Does Saakashvili believe his vicious attack on a civilian city was justified if he only killed a few hundred rather than a few thousand? Do Americans realize that a military trained and equipped by the US government attacked a civilian population as they slept in their beds? Can they justify sending another billion dollars to Georgia and nothing for those Georgia attacked?
I have made an urgent appeal to the world for humanitarian relief for our people at the website helpossetianow.org. I beg the United States and the world to find out the truth. Please hear our voices.
Imagine San Diago breaksaway from the US. Breaks off, has a violent uprising, and throws out all traces of the US goverment from the city.
Now Mexico goes into San Diago, and begins giving citizenship to San Diago people.
Then Mexico recognizes san diago as a country, even though internationaly, it is still US soil
After some time the US decides that it wants to take back thier terriroty because of the geographical advantages of it
So they begin to build up an attack force outside the region.
Mexico reacts by building up their forces near the region, ready to strike
San Diago citizens then flee into mexico
San Diago natioanlists decide to stay in thier city and fight
Then the US forces mmove in and overrun the Nationalists
Then the Mexican army moves in to protect the people they gave citizenship too
Originally posted by TKainZero
The Georgians attacked on the night of Aug. 7th.. Takeing control of the city by nightfall... (note, the artical tell NOTHING of the battle for the city
Originally posted by TKainZero
or how the Russians aggresivly bombed the city, when they were re-taking the city.
Originally posted by TKainZero
Both sides Bombed the city, but the Russians are almost CERATAINLY gaurented to have bombed more
Originally posted by TKainZero
due to the fact that Georgains took the city fairly quickly)
Originally posted by TKainZero
Imagine San Diago breaksaway from the US. Breaks off, has a violent uprising, and throws out all traces of the US goverment from the city.
Originally posted by TKainZero
Then Mexico recognizes san diago as a country, even though internationaly, it is still US soil
Originally posted by TKainZero
After some time the US decides that it wants to take back thier terriroty because of the geographical advantages of it
Originally posted by TKainZero
San Diago citizens then flee into mexico
Originally posted by TKainZero
San Diago natioanlists decide to stay in thier city and fight
Originally posted by TKainZero
If South Ossetia wants to be its own nation, do it.
But realise, countries come and go. And they can be absorbed by a neighboring country... if they cannot defend themselves...
Originally posted by wayno
Why is no one calling McCain and Obama on this?
They are both on the wrong side of this issue - so far wrong!
I just do not get it!?!
Originally posted by Realtruth
What kind of people are these that would kill women and children?
Does compassion exist? Does guilt exist from crimes like this?