Registry of Self-Sufficient Communities

Hi all,

I would like to propose an idea and I think the Survivalist forum is most appropriate. Mods feel free to move the thread.

That said, my idea is to create an online registry of potential self-sufficient forts in North America (and maybe extend it to UK and other countries if there is interest). Here's the concept. Basically anyone owning some land in a rural region can decide to join by stating approximately how much land they own and what is the terrain. With other info like the name of the potential Fort. The registrant is then promising (not legally but in a cozy and friendly manner) that if sitx happens or the shtf, or any crisis in the region really, he or she will welcome people to use the land to set up tents and basically survive. The owner would not be responsible for shelter, food or anything other than the land to build if need be a self-sufficient community or a temporary shelter (be it tents or baracks..). Also, this does not force the owner of stopping any current activities on their land (like cultivation). But if the shtf there is a promise to make it available for folks willing to relocate there and *gasp* maybe build a fort.

The site will revolve around this concept. Some registrant may decide that they will welcome only people who have registered beforehand for a spot in their Fort, and after SitX space is not guaranteed. So users will have to reserve their spot at a specific Fort on the website, and become part of that community. Forums, chat and a profiles with skills will probably be available. The website purpose will not be for commercial purposes aka make monies, but a practical approach at keeping people connected (especially on ATS) and also having some peace of mind. If nothing happens, GOOD, the site will be a way to make connections and maybe go camping together once a year. But imagine SitX does happen (economic meltdown comes to mind), where the hell are you gonna go if you don't know who you can trust? The site i want to build will be the answer to at least having an idea of what places you can go to where you wont be alone and there will be protection. Note that the registrant would not necessarily need to have any stock of ammo or food... But for those that do it may be disclose in their profile.

When the shtf, obviously the net might come down so the site is not meant to last through sitx, thats why keeping a printed list of hotspots nearby will be a good idea.

Now, my question, how many would be interested to A) Join free as a member to be part of a community B) Register free a Fort profile that will show up on the map for people to join into

I'm interested in input too, i.e does anything remotely similar to this exist? and what do you think of the concept?

Thanks!

thanks for this post. i have started a several threads to a similar tune (regarding communal living and self-suffiecency). i see one main problem in this regestry. if i have land and am willing to share come sit-x, i dont want any ole' jackass, his invalid grandmother, and six kids showing up at my gate. in dire straits, you dont want just anyone. these people must prove helpful for the sustainable future. too many freeloaders? whatcha gunna do? anyway... just my thoughts.

your idea is kind of like communism. it looks great on paper, but aint so hot in practice. (IMHO)

Sir with respect your concept sounds very noble but smacks of socialism. Plus most survivalists, groups or families who have managed to develop safe secure retreat locations are not going to share that information with stangers, especially in the US of A where most post apoc survivalist action appears to start and end with guns.

reply to post by Northern Raider


And to add, who would want to be added to a registry in a public forum of where those that would want to take such information for planning by say oh I don't know, the very government that caused a retreat to such a place?

Would it really be any different than sending a letter with a return address to the BATF that you have 60 people with 40 AK-47's, 20 M-16A's, 27 Berreta 9mm, 28 .40 Cal Sig Sauer's, 5 S&W .50 Cal Revolvers a manifesto of implementing a new federal government and included planned targets to achieve your goal?

In either case, you will have unwanted visitors that do not have your best intrests in mind. I applaud your desire to pool resources and share the wealth and benefit of your labors, but one of the key elements to survival is to not draw attention to undesired elements.

Originally posted by Ahabstar
reply to post by Northern Raider

 

And to add, who would want to be added to a registry in a public forum of where those that would want to take such information for planning by say oh I don't know, the very government that caused a retreat to such a place?

Would it really be any different than sending a letter with a return address to the BATF that you have 60 people with 40 AK-47's, 20 M-16A's, 27 Berreta 9mm, 28 .40 Cal Sig Sauer's, 5 S&W .50 Cal Revolvers a manifesto of implementing a new federal government and included planned targets to achieve your goal?

In either case, you will have unwanted visitors that do not have your best intrests in mind. I applaud your desire to pool resources and share the wealth and benefit of your labors, but one of the key elements to survival is to not draw attention to undesired elements.

Over here at least(UK) we dont have a true loonatic fringe like the Posse Commitatus or some of the more crazed militias, but your point is equally valid, I remember some businessman back in the early 80s proudly showing off this blody great big bunker he had buult under his house on the south coast, it cost him a fortune and could house his family and his employyees. Next thing he knew was his bunker was being inspected by people from the govt to see if it was suitable to be siezed for govt use during a time of war. I think he emptied the kit out of it and filled it with concrete in the end because owning it was now rather pointless.

reply to post by tedpi


I think you idea is great & am disappointed that more people aren't interested in collaborating for the good of OUR nation. But I must agree the replies have valid points.

I myself, have many skills to offer & am interested in finding a self sufficient community. Any one have any ideas about going about this ?

Not forts, but there are directories for self-sufficient communities all around the world:

directory.ic.org...

www.thefec.org...

reply to post by tedpi


Good idea in principle, but you would not catch me giving up details of a proposed rebel fort in the public domain.

Rather, a better way to implement this would be on an ad hoc basis.

You could draw up an informal agreement with people that you know and trust in real life that should the SHTF, then there is the possibility of RV'ing at your site.

Then, you can gradually start to accumulate a list of people who would be welcome. People from here who are local to you, or people from your own community who are sympathetic. After everyone has been vetted to ensure that there intentions are noble and are not going to just be a drain on your resources.

However, if you do live somewhere that is significantly rural and isolated, it is unlikely that there will be more than a slack handful of people who would be able to travel to you, depending on the severity and nature of the situation.

CS

If I lived in a self-sufficient community or near one, the last thing I would do is advertise the fact. If the SHTF then you know you would have an influx of refugees and a self-sustaining community could not survive if there were too many people vs resources.

So many untrusting people here. If I try to find others on the internet, the government or other unwanteds will find me? Where is your trust in your fellow man? My "fort" is posistioned at 90 S latitude and 0 E longitude. Feel free to come join me.

On a serious note. This is a good concept, but fishing for people online simply will never work. I cant think of any "survivalist" here or anywhere else that would publicly give that type of information. The idea being we dont want to be found if sit-x comes down.

Your best bet is to find people in your area you know and trust and build your so called fort. I call it a bug out location, but the idea is the same. A place for like minded people to gather to weather the storm working with one another.

If you cant find people like that, or are really looking for the easy way instead of buying and building your own "fort" you would probably be better served looking in a "free-love" hippie site or maybe some ultra liberal fringe group who thinks everything belongs to everyone. Thats the type of person trusting enough to give that type of information. Asking for free land to run to in a survival forum simply isnt going to help you out.

As for the above mentioned "fort" you are invited to, please bring firewood.

reply to post by salchanra


or you could live in an underground bunker like this guy

www.shtfblog.com...



www.shtfblog.com...

great name for a blog

reply to post by warrenb


More than just a good name, thanks for posting that link. Brilliant site and what an inspirational guy. It's not even his land!

Hmmm. Do you really need to make such a list? A good self-sufficient community must keep its location in secret for survival purposes.
That poses an interesting topic - how such communities will communicate and exchange?
Perhaps you should ask for marketplaces where you can meet some goods from self-sufficient communities?

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Sorry Yar, you beat me to that link.

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