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Originally posted by dooper
I once got the drop on twenty to twenty-five enemy soldiers, whose weapons and clothes were on the bank while they were bathing and grab-assing. I didn't hesitate, and with a fellow helping, we laid into them with everything we had. No mercy, no warning, no survivors. Had the situation been reversed, I assure you they would have done the same.
Oh give me a break. your opinions is absurd, and fantasy. If it were blossoming, it certainly doesn't seem like a blossoming country, who wants to drop a bomb on Iran, You have to stop trollling dooper, I'm serious now! I see you've yet again dismissed my post on previous page. Oh well.
Originally posted by dooper
For centuries, the Arabs did nothing with the land, and existed in a state of poverty. The Israeli's come along, and even went to the trouble of purchasing much of the land from Palestinians. And Israel has made the country blossom. They produce. They work. They are industrious. They have converted the previously unproductive wasteland into very productive farmland. Look at the non-Israeli areas around them. It's crap.
Not FACT. Iran and Syria did not say, that. it's your government and the zionists spreading propaganda. Unless you can find quote that the leaders said that. Your trolling again
They both want Israel wiped off the map.
I don't give a hoot in hell if you want to admit it or not. That doesn't change the fact that they want Israel wiped out. And if Israel uses preemptive strikes for survival, more power to them.
A person or group threatens me and then just points a weapon in my direction, well, you just left yourself open to attack, and your blood be on your own head. It's just the way of the world, and it will never, ever change. That's my whole point in this discussion. No right, no wrong, just natural selection.
Originally posted by dooper
I never said it's OK for 500,000 to die. I said it's better (given a choice between the two) that 500,000 die today than 52,000,000 spread over the years 1939-1945. You keep wanting a third choice.
I'll give you a real eye-opener. When a man sets out to kill you and has armed himself to do just that, you concept of, "respect for one'self is a greater power than anything else" is a load of horsecrap.
The Arabs that lived there in the Israelie state along side the jews for thosands of years. In 1949 the UK and zionists, massercred the palistineans and taken their homes
Millions of these people are now living in states smaller than hawaii. The poverty and conditions are appalling. Two states the Gaza strip and Palistine are to small and too overcrowded to sustain and give the people freedom.
They are technically freedom fighters. The people that do take their own lives or defend themselves against these horrible acts brought onto them by the Jewish states and the zionists. Or doing so because they have no will to live, they have no power to change or make their lives better. So the only way to deal with it is, taking your life (a brave thing to do)
How does killing all these Palestinians help the situation, how does a war, help this situation, can you explain to me how in your opinion, this works, or how I dont understand conflict.?
People and nations want to respect each other. It goes both ways. If you have respect for another person, you get respect. Israel doesn't have self respect, nor does it preach it.
so its ok for the massacres, give me a break, the palistineans were not treated with any respect. They are retaliating, which isn't the best way either.But since their freedom was breached and taken, I can have empathy with that to a degree. BUT PLEASE don't sing a song for Israel about excuses and that crap.
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Israel was established in 1948 on the territory of British Palestine mandate (minus what became Jordan in the first Jewish/Arab land devision). As a response to declaration of Independence - after UN mandate - war was declared on Israel by all its neighbors and Arabs of Palestine. This war was brutal, lot of stuff that happened is defined by "war crime" - but by both sides. Lands that were lost by Israel - also had its own refugees (Jewish) and massacres. Just Israel did not "preserved" those people in refugee camps, as leaders of Arab countries did to their brothers. So to blame one side in crimes that both committed is not correct. Also, UK was attacked both by Israel and by Arabs. Both sides blame it for helping the other. I guess that means they tried to stay neutral. As for taking homes - indeed, in lot of places. Not all, by far. As for massacre - in few cases, isolated. So it is false generalization.
No the palestinians, were moved out of thier homes and hunted out of Jerusealam. They either were killed or forced to go to the two most infertile - poorest part of the jewish state. That is not acceptable.
Really? I wonder then why Palestinians divided them self in two states, then. It was supposed to be Israel and Palestine but because all those "freedom" fighters can do is fight - they even fight among themself and got tiny amount of land divided between them self too.
They were not given choices, your people basically moved them from thier homes. This wasn't their choice? your waffling in nonsense.
Even lousy economy that was there when Israel occupied those territories is eaten up by those destructive forces - so to blame this really awful poverty on Israel alone is unjust. Palestinians made their choices
OK with what explain!
- intifada instead of peace in 2000, and current subhuman conditions in Gaza (much worst then under Zionists that according to you treated those people as dogs) is direct result of wrong choice. Israel is there and not going to vanish - despite threats from Iran. Large part of Palestinian population allows itself to be dragged into constant conflict without any solution at all. I understand that you are ok with this - but then you too have no empathy to those people. Just hatred to Israel.
It couldn't have been, and that's both sides. Israel is still behaving like a pathetic brat in the middle east right this minute. It's not hated for nothing. Right this minute, it want to acheive the opposite of peace. Until both sides, learn to put the past behind, and come to together and live in peace, then it can be achieved. Israel thinks peace is achievable by behaving unappropriately, is utter fantasy.
"Technically" freedom fighters is nice description. If freedom is what they want - it could be achieved decade ago.
What about the behaviour on your nations, behalf. Is your country going to take any responsbility ? I mean that would be mature and brave.
First actions of those "freedom" fighters - brave things like gunning down hospital staff in Jerusalem or wiping out Jews in Hebron and other similarly brave things - were done before Israel was established. Whose freedom they defended then, and from whom? Actually those guys do not want freedom.
Well someone has to do the right thing, regardless who else does wrong. person, elite and nation.
but on the fact that war is not answer in most cases. I am not that sure that it is an answer to Iranian situation - might be and might be not. But i do not trust all the "Israel will attack tomorrow/next week/month" posts. There is still time and nobody from our politicians wants to take this hot potato.
So you think Israel wanting to bomb Iran, is respect. How and why the f** do would you think Israel should get respect? (shakes head) I think your missing one simple principal on respect, and how respect works.
I personally see no respect to Israel from Iran, Hizbollah,Hamas. Why then Israel needs to show respect to people that call for its destruction?
p.s. - Unrelated to this post:
As regenmacher's post continuation - today US radar arrived to Israel. It will be serviced by US personal. Now IF Israel will attack Iranian facilities - it can no longer do so without direct US agreement - airspace was important but it is more. US personal can get hurt in Iranian response on Israeli soil and it is major factor. I personally not sure if it is good/bad ,can deepen the conflict or disarm it. However it is a fact.
Well than just proves your ignorance, you can't answer a question. You are being immature, no point projecting "your stuff" at me for it
Originally posted by dooper
And Mind . . . you don't deserve an answer. Your arguments are so off-center, so blindingly irrational, and so immature that I don't feel compelled to further your education.
Pubes?? Excuse me? where is your manners?
Maybe in a couple years when your pubes come in, you can come back and speak like an adult on topic like this.
You just hate Jews. You hate Americans. You have no grasp of history, nor the concepts that can be learned by studying history. Grow up.
Originally posted by dooper
Picking the lesser of two evils is still picking evil?
Is not picking the lesser of two evils - good?
If it's all the same then more destruction and death is good! At least according to you.
Thank God for idiots. It assures the survival and success for the rest of us.