Palin on the Pledge of Allegiance.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Is this supposed to make us weary of her because all it does is make me like her even more.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



Wow. Kind of excited that someone knows the history of the pledge of allegiance. Let us also not forget to note that it was implemented into the public school system in 1940 (oddly enough close to when a communist leader rose to power and implemented a salute of sorts to his regime.)

Also interesting to note, *cover your ears OP bc this goes against what the man you are voting for stands for* that the man who wrote and sought to have the pledge of allegiance indoctrinated into our culture was a socialist baptist preacher who wanted nothing more than to see this country turned into a socialist state.

For this reason, I do not allow my boys to say the pledge of allegiance. I have been told to write up a document stating my reasons and that it would be discussed by the school board and could go higher up. Until then, if I don't agree, I am more than welcome to bring them into school late which will be counted as a tardy each and every day. I opted to do so...

The pledge of allegiance with or w/out the "under god" implemented into it is unconstitutional and pushes socialism and/or communism. Wonder how Obama feels about that?

A star, and a flag, for you.

Seems the more one gets to know Social Conservatives, the more one realizes they are no more then ignorant, hypocritical, inbred idiots...

Reminds me of that idiot from Alaska, whats her name..., anyway, it seems she preaches against sex education, and is in favor of abstinence only...
Suddenly, her teen daughter, who has to stay at home for a couple of months, with some "disease", turns out to be pregnant. Guess, even in her own home, nobody cared much for what she was preaching...
We wont even dare to go into her sister's home, things could turn out really nasty, there...

In spite of all this, some idiot chose her to be VP, of some great Superpower. Since that idiot is about one hundred years old, that person, from Alaska, could become President of said Superpower...

Don't quite remember the countries name, for sure it has to be some sort of "Banana Republic", but, then again, being a Superpower, and having a State called Alaska, just through me off...

What country, or Party, could be this stupid???

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
misspelling potato. yes i remember that. and i remember another person's chances at a presidential nod being ruined because he yelled yeeeha.

the devil is in the details. little things count. look at the hell we've lived the past eight years because no one paid attention to the details then.

Oh man, don't forget the "Dean Scream" - the nice little cheer shouted by Howard Dean which boggled minds and set people thinking the man was a first class fruitcake. I honestly think that one little scream was the beginning of the end for him.

Well I thought she looked cute in the bikini. And the guy in the background is obviously at least 20 to me.

I like the pledge of allegance. I think it should be mandatory again. Maybe part of the reason people stopped caring about what happens in their country is because too many are no longer taking the pledge seriosuly.

I am voting Democrat, but I do not see her response as that big of a deal. I had already forgotten who wrote the pledge even though I am sure I read it on here every few months. What matters to me is the pledge itself. Sometimes I will just say it some days for good measure. I want my children say it at home when they are able to.

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gleaning new supporters for your candidate from among people straddling the fence, moderates or people who have abstained from voting in the past, is certainly a cultivated artform. insulting their religion, intelligence, gender or the sex lives of their children would be the fastest way to do the exact opposite and in fact, will more than likely work against the desired outcome. i don't think politicians or their campaigners/supporters, have ever understood this. there's a huge moderate vote out there. and a huge unspoken vote, too. getting those on your side, actually requires decorum and civility.

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Excuse me sir?? You need to get your facts straight about Obama and the pledge (i.e. do some research!!) Also, how dare you subject his middle name in your statement as though having a middle Muslim name has any relevance to the issues. It sounds like your personal views are getting the best of your judgement! These kind of statement are what fuel radical thinking among Muslims which damages democracy and way of life.

Originally posted by davion
That's like that one lady that said, "If English was good enough for Jesus then it's good enough for me!"

If the Internet's good enough for Al Gore, then it's good enough for me!!


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Maybe Sarah Palin should read this.

The founding fathers weren't devout Christians, like everyone thinks. I wasn't surprised to hear "Under God" was added in 1954, it didn't sound like something they would do.

In fact some of the verbage in the Declaration of Independence was changed by Congress to sound more Christian later.

Originally posted by Mcloud313
Maybe Sarah Palin should read this.

The founding fathers weren't devout Christians, like everyone thinks. I wasn't surprised to hear "Under God" was added in 1954, it didn't sound like something they would do.

In fact some of the verbage in the Declaration of Independence was changed by Congress to sound more Christian later.

and ..

this is the only place on the vast internets...


that this will be spoken of.......

/bows head/

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Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
who bash Obama for his occasional "uhh" while in thought

He doesn't 'uh' and stutter - just on occasion.
It's a hell of a lot more frequent.
Bush43 has nothing on Obama in this department.


So ... the OP got caught with her pants down with yet another innuendo and smear thread, and now supposedly this thread was just posted to teach us all a lesson, eh?

BS alert.

Disciples of Obama seem to be taking lessons from The One.
Little Green Footballs . Obama site behind the Palin smear campaign.

edited immediately to fix link

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Just catching up to the most recent responses here.

Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
She's one of these gun toting, superstitious, pro-life, anti-gay rednecks that feels that "god did it" is an easy out.

I know. And that's important to some people... Me... A LOT. The fact that she's who she is bothers me greatly. I can't stand her. And it's one thing to feel that way and vote accordingly, but it's another thing to pretend that not knowing who wrote the pledge or that "under god" was added later is important for her position. Not everyone knows that. It's just ignorance. It's not a real "issue". It's ignorance like misspelling potato.

So she's ignorant. There are a LOT of things about her that ARE relevant that bother me.

She doesn't care about the history of the pledge because it doesn't support her agenda that the USA and her particular brand of fairy tale and completely intertwined.

Agreed. But about 30-35% (I'd say) of people in the US are exactly in line with her. In some sort of "bubble" of ignorance.

It sure would be nice not to have to tolerate uneducated morons running our country. It would be wonderful to have an intelligent, educated person really DOING SOMETHING instead of bouncing around on puppet strings as we have now and will for the next while if McCain wins.

You can almost hear dueling bangos...

I say yes, make fun of her. I fully intend to. But my "seriousness" in this thread wasn't real. I though it was kind of obvious what I was doing, but I guess not. I defended Obama every day from the inane criticisms in this forum. I though when I turned around and started MAKING the inane criticisms it would be obvious to the Obama-haters what I was doing.

My bad.

Sunsetspawn, your post cracked me completely up. Thanks.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Wow! So what does that say about the rest of ATS?

It doesn't say anything about ATS. It says something about my opinions. These days, if I want to post something serious and get serious feedback, I post in the Bully Pulpit because it is basically a "protected area" from the insults and divisive political rhetoric that is found in abundance here. It is focused on the issues and sources are required to confirm facts. People conduct themselves civilly and embrace the spirit of 'deny ignorance'. Here, many embrace ignorance, instead.

Good point ~Lucidity.

Originally posted by Fathom
Is this supposed to make us weary of her because all it does is make me like her even more.

This is what I was saying to Sunsetspawn. Her ignorance will actually appeal to some people. I say, fine. If that's what you're looking for, then vote for her and enjoy it. Be proud of your choice! (I think you meant leery, or wary, not weary).

Originally posted by justamomma
The pledge of allegiance with or w/out the "under god" implemented into it is unconstitutional and pushes socialism and/or communism. Wonder how Obama feels about that?

Regardless how Obama feels about it, I agree with you 100%! I don't say the Pledge, myself.

Edit: Personal attack (w/o much else) deleted

Peace

[edit on 2-9-2008 by Dr Love]

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
Lol, I didn't know that either and I am kind of on the bright side.

In various IQ tests I have scored between 144 and 192, while the tests that contained general knowledge didn't throw me off the scales, those ones cost me plenty of points though.

I almost fell of my damn chair laughing at these statements. I’m sure you are a bright person but the way you came out with it is just hilarious indeed! Good Job!

Back on topic:

It really is shameful what we Americans do not know concerning our own national history. But that is exemplary of the national education system that was designed and is run by far left liberals just like Benevolent Heretic. [Snip]

Edit: Personal attack removed

Peace

[edit on 2-9-2008 by Dr Love]

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin

 

oh come on Andrew, go drink you a cold six pack.

By the time you come back you will be more than willing to wrap yourself in that flag.

Being that Andrew is a far left wing liberal, I’m quite sure left handed cigarettes are more appealing to him that a single six pack of suds!

Keep it above the belt. No personal attacks please.

Peace

My problem with this statement isn't that it's obviously a uneducated answer (people make mistakes). It definitely doesn't say anything for or against her ability to run as VP or even as governor.

What it shows is how people are always invoking the fore fathers to justify their beliefs or actions.

Honestly, the only time you can really do that is if you have read for yourself a document written by a fore father or a reference to a quote made by one.

Obviously, Sara never read anything said by a forefather regarding the pledge because it didn't exist at the time. ESPECIALLY the part about "under God". It would seem that she couldn't really think of a good answer stating why SHE believes it's okay for it to be in there (or maybe she just didn't want to say) but instead she fell back on the tried and true, all encompassing justification for anything and invoked the forefathers.

Slavery was good enough for some of our forefathers. Does that make slavery okay?

I'd like to add that I had no clue that the words "under God" were added only 50 some odd years ago and was required in the classroom 60 or so years ago. But I did know that the pledge wasn't around when the forefathers were.

calling dr love! just kidding i just got back from a KISS concert it looks like Sarah was pulling the trigger of the love gun on that rifle by the pool!

That being said we all slip up sometimes, even if its something as simple as knowing how many houses you have. I guess.

I just think she was trying to throw in the extra patriotical flair by using 'the founding fathers' and didn't realize that the founding fathers in fact didn't partake in the pledge of allegiance.

Daniel

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Why didn't she just say "God, No" and be damned with it.