Area 51 Employees without identity

Hi friends, I returned from holidays, specifically I have been in a paradise of a lot of heat, in Torrevieja, I don't know if anyone knows what, but certainly is a very exotic place. I'm glad to be here with you.

For a while I was thinking about the protection of high security and identity of some or almost all employees of Area 51. Like the Groom Lake is a military zone that officially does not exist, since according not appear on any maps, can that workers in this basis are also applied these rules identity, right?

And that's why I have these doubts. Why the Area 51 employees or any other secret military facility the workers had no identity? That is, it's as if they did not exist. Instead, I have seen here that the researcher Glenn Campbell gives data on security guards at Groom Lake (Camo Dudes), its identity, place of residence, etc...

Are they better protected employees working inside the Area 51 that the Camo Dudes? And I have one more doubt: I read that Philip Schneider had two Social Security Number. "He worked under two social security numbers". Area 51 employees and Camo Dudes also have two Social Security Number?

Regards.

[edit on 30-8-2008 by reynoldt]

The government acknowledges its existence and in a recent document actually refers to it as "Area 51" which is unprecedented.

Most of the employees at Area 51 are contractors who live in the Las Vegas area and work for companies like EG&G.

I am sure they have identities but hopefully the government helps protect them for their own safety.

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Military members who work at Area 51 would likely be stationed at Nellis AFB. They would most probably be assigned to the 99th Test Wing. They just make a commute to Area 51, instead of taking the train, they take a jet.

Contractor or Military, I guarantee you that there are strict credentialing rules that are adhered to for all people that work at or near Nellis, TTR, Area 51, etc. The government gives these workers a choice as to how they would like to get to work. They can either take the Janet airlines, or they are bussed in. The buses of course have dark tinted windows so that you cannot make out the identity of the workers. One can however see employees that work for EG&G going to and fro at the Janet terminal. When I was in the military, and was working around the White Sands area, we had strict credentialing before we were allowed on any test site. As to the social security numbers.....who knows?

There are a number of contractors with personnel at the Area. Military personnel are mostly assigned to the Air Force Flight Test Center (AFFTC), Edwards AFB. There are also some personnel from units headquartered at Nellis. The base is a detachment of the AFFTC.

You can hang out at the back gate and "out" employees all day. This isn't cool of course. I outted one Rachel resident that worked at the base, but just kept his identity to myself. I see no need to get these guys in trouble. [Incidentally, he is now deceased.]

The Hiko workers get on at the ET Highway sign near Crystal Springs. You could ID the workers there, get their plates, whatever.

Norio managed to out a base employee that lived in Alamo, but this particular person was part of an incident at the front gate. If Norio sees this mesage, he might elaborate.

I don't see much point of outing these people since they certainly aren't going to tell you anything, and your efforts could endanger their employment. I have a few good shots of cammo dudes, but don't post them either. BTW, if you hang out near the back gate, you might want to take notice that the dude is armed, often with two weapons. While I doubt they would shoot you, these guys mean business.

Originally posted by gariac

Norio managed to out a base employee that lived in Alamo, but this particular person was part of an incident at the front gate. If Norio sees this mesage, he might elaborate.

Hello, Gary.....long time no hear.
Anyway, yes, Gary......I think it was in 2001 that a crowd of people including us were almost run over by a speeding truck at the border on Groom Lake Rd. by an Area 51 "employee" by the name of James Manner who lived in Panaca.
He was later fined by BLM.
I learned later that James Manner was a computer specialist and also was a part time instructor in Alamo. But I believe he lived in Panaca.
Here is the article:

AREA 51 WORKER CITED BY BLM FOR VEHICLE ENDANGERMENT
www.rense.com...

and also:

LINCOLN COUNTY COMMISSIONER ADMITS DRIVING 'AREA 51' TRUCK
www.rense.com...

He should have apologized to us directly.......but we never got the apololgy from him. We decided not to pursue this matter further.

Norio Hayakawa
www.hometown.aol.com...

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I agree with Gariac, there is no need to endanger these people or cause them to possibly lose their job.

Thanks for the replies, in fact the other day I found information on the identities of the Groom Lake security guards at the UFOMIND website, as well Gariac and desertdreamer said on there's no need to jeopardize these people because to his work at these facilities, How does this website have revealed identities of some Camo Dudes?

I agree that these men are well protected by the government, but I wondered, why there are researchers and people who want the identities of such employees are brought to light? Look this picture, although their identities are protected, such as leaving this picture in the newspaper from Las Vegas? Those in this picture that are contractors or security guards? media.lvrj.com...

Regards.

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Here is a pic of a cammo at the back gate. I blocked his face to protect his identity. Double click on the thumb nail to enlarge
community.webshots.com...

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Can you supply a link to the original article?

www.lvrj.com...

Originally posted by reynoldt

And that's why I have these doubts. Why the Area 51 employees or any other secret military facility the workers had no identity? That is, it's as if they did not exist. Instead, I have seen here that the researcher Glenn Campbell gives data on security guards at Groom Lake (Camo Dudes), its identity, place of residence, etc...

[edit on 30-8-2008 by reynoldt]

To me, Area 51 is no longer a myth, or better yet.....there has never been anything secretive about the facility or its employees who work for various contractors. This has been discussed time after time, especially in the last few years.
Public records are available for anyone online.
Today is Labor Day and I just wanted to share an item regarding one of the employees at the base. He probably has seen all this before but here is my short item regarding that employee:

www.manta.com...

FORGIVENESS EXTENDED TO AREA 51 WORKER

Monday, 1 September 2008 (Labor Day)

FORGIVENESS EXTENDED TO AREA 51 WORKER WHO ENDANGERED OUR LIVES IN 2001

by Norio Hayakawa
September 1, 2008 (Labor Day)

This is to extend my personal forgiveness to Mr. James Manner, resident of Panaca, Nevada and Area 51 employee, who (back in June of 2001) endangered our lives by seemingly attempting to run over us with his speeding truck as he was on his way to work at the facility.
From public records available, if I am not mistaken, this is the same Mr. James Manner who is the president of a firm called NEVADA TECHNICAL SERVICES

MAN FINED FOR CREATING HAZARD AT RALLY
Ex-commissioner drove truck through crowd of protesters

By KEITH ROGERS
REVIEW-JOURNAL

Federal authorities fined a former Lincoln County commissioner for creating a hazard in connection with a citizens rally staged this month near an entrance to the top-secret facility known as Area 51.

James E. Manner, 59, of Panaca -- who served two years on the Lincoln County Commission before moving from Alamo in 1999 -- is also being investigated by Sheriff Dahl Bradfield. Bradfield is probing more serious allegations that Manner tried to run over some 20 demonstrators from a group that had gathered June 3 on Groom Lake Road, 90 miles north of Las Vegas.

This story is located at:

www.reviewjournal.com...

Here are two additonal articles on this incident:
AREA 51 WORKER CITED BY BLM FOR VEHICLE ENDANGERMENT
www.rense.com...

and

LINCOLN COUNTY COMMISSIONER ADMITS DRIVING AREA 51 TRUCK
www.rense.com...

From my understanding at that time, Mr. James Manner was also a computer specialist and was an instructor in the town of Alamo, besides been a County Commissioner and also besides being an employee at Area 51.

Norio Hayakawa, on this Labor Day
www.hometown.aol.com...

no offence - to anyone concerned - but the moral of the 2001 ` incident ` is IMHO :

do not stand in the road

Originally posted by gariac
I outted one Rachel resident that worked at the base, but just kept his identity to myself. I see no need to get these guys in trouble. [Incidentally, he is now deceased.]

By outting him, you got him in trouble. Even if you kept it to yourself, it makes him and you a security risk, in their eyes. I'm fairly certain A51 security can gather if their employees are being followed home from work.

Sorry for my insistence but I still have a question: Why Philip Schneider wore two social security number? Is it normal that someone has two social security number, including us?

With regard to government employees who have worked in these facilities, either as a contractor, engineer or scientist. All these employees working for these secret military installations have two social security number? Why they need two social security number?

[edit on 2-9-2008 by reynoldt]