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Originally posted by chissler
Something that may offer an insight is the simple fact that kids who are bullied daily throughout their school lives are envied by those who people do not even acknowledge. While it is terrible to be picked on, it is even worse to not even be recognized in existence.
Sometimes a negative is better than a nothing.
Originally posted by chissler
But that right there is a week of discussion alone; are they truly mentally ill?
DeSalvo confessed to the crimes and did everything he could to land himself in a mental institution. I think this was due to the fact that he knew he didn't do it, wanted to live forever in infamy, but didn't want to spend his time in prison. When his efforts failed, after enough time I believe he was going to come clean and ultimately murdered for it. The night he was murdered, he had a meeting scheduled to talk to an old psychologist about the "real story" surrounding the Boston Strangler in the morning. Rather odd timing, no?
Mark David Chapman was beat down his whole life and lived in social obscurity due to the maltreatment he received by his mother. Chapman watched his mother have sexual relations with men younger than he was, and was forced to support her. Combined with other factors, I think he was pushed too far and ultimately made the decision that infamy was a far greater future than obscurity.
But mentally ill?
Too often people who go against the norm are labeled as mentally unstable, merely because they chose to swim up river. Are they really though? Is it a coin toss when you go against the grain for how you are remembered?
If Christopher Columbus had of been lost at sea, would he be remembered as some nut job who thought the world was round?
I oppose offering them the title of mentally ill. Narcissistic would be spot on.
Originally posted by LDragonFire
There has to be some mental issue with these people brought on by physical or emotional or even environmental causes.
Originally posted by chissler
Originally posted by LDragonFire
There has to be some mental issue with these people brought on by physical or emotional or even environmental causes.
So while each of these individuals were the victim of a poor upbringing and had to experience hardships that the worst criminals shouldn't have to endure, they are not mentally ill. They are certainly placed at a handicap in life, but it is more of a case of skewered norms than it is a physical disability.
Being disabled doesn't imply that you can not tell the difference between right and wrong, but it certainly plays a role. And in these instances, I believe it's worth acknowledging.
Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
Or BTK, he gave up after years of boredom because no one figured it was him.
They are not mentaly ill, it's just a ruse because people are stupid enough to fall for it.
By 2004, the trail of the BTK killer had gone cold. Then, Rader sent a letter to the police, claiming responsibility for a killing that had previously not been attributed to him. DNA collected from under the fingernails of that victim provided police with previously unknown evidence. They then began DNA testing hundreds of men in an effort to find the serial killer. Altogether, some 1100 DNA samples would be taken.[8]
The police corresponded with Rader in an effort to gain his confidence. Then, in one of his communications with police, Rader asked them if it were possible to trace information from floppy disks. The police department replied that there was no way of knowing what computer such a disk had been used on, when in fact there was. Rader then sent his message and floppy to the police department, which quickly checked the metadata of the Microsoft Word document. In the metadata, they found that the document had been made by a man who called himself Dennis. They also found a link to the Lutheran Church. When the police searched on the internet for 'Lutheran Church Wichita Dennis', they found his family name, and were able to identify a suspect: Dennis Rader, a Lutheran Deacon.
Dennis Rader
Jeffery Dalmer is a enigma, he had a fairly normal upbringing his father was strict and very religious, and later Jeffery had a drinking problem but other than him killing same animals as a child there was really no warning signs for his behavior later in life. But his crimes included rape, necrophilia and cannibalism. I personally believe he was a coward, but was he mental?
Originally posted by LDragonFire
I'm a hunter, I have entered the woods to wait patiently for game to come by and I have stalked game, when you first catch sight of the animal, your heart rate increases, you mind races you wonder if it's in range can I get off a shot, is it looking at me or in my direction, the adrenaline starts to pump and sweat beads on your brow, your breathing quickens, you see your prey its a beautiful sight and a beautiful creature graceful and very weary, you draw your weapon as the beasts eats you take aim then the beast looks up right at you, your heart is in your throat, you head starts to spin but you then exhale pausing halfway and you squeeze the trigger.
You just killed a living breathing creature and you couldn't be more happy, you rush to the site and in my case I have completely had a deer gutted within 15 to 20 minutes of the shot.
Originally posted by The-Tyrant
So you're saying that it's better to picked on, then not to recognize at all?
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Most of the people I have experience with that have mental conditions have severe bi-polar and paranoid schizophrenia PLUS other undiagnosed illnesses, but every single one have lashed out, have been abusive and every single one have come back latter and said they were sorry. They absolutely knew what they were doing, they knew it was wrong, but they claim they couldn't help it. So I believe that the mentally ill not knowing what is right or wrong is a myth. People with physical disability's like down syndrome are another story.
Originally posted by chissler
Do you wonder why Mark David Chapman sat on the front steps of the Dakota on the night of December 8th, 1980, excited to be arrested and forever known as the man who killed John Lennon?
Originally posted by chissler
I agree that rarely is someone hit with one diagnosis. More often than not a few come hand in hand and play off of one another, which makes things interesting to say the least.
I provide residential care for individuals with disabilities. From Down's syndrome, Autism, Praeder-Willi, developmental delays and a bit of depression on the side to boot, I have yet to run into a situation where they did not know right from wrong. However, it's not a case of right and wrong. It's a case of culpability. It's a matter of whether or not they are properly equipped to be able to effectively manage their behaviour and emotions to apply the appropriate behaviour. Which can be said applies to serial killers, but I think it is a bit of a cop out for these guys.
I genuinely believe that these guys can help it and could have stopped what they were guilty of. They chose to do what they did because they wanted to.
There is much at play here. It is no accident than almost every serial killer is a typical white male.