APPLE (computers, ipods, iphones) is a SCAM and a GIANT RIPOFF

Mac is for trendies, pure and simple.
There is nothing a Mac does that a pc does not do faster and cheaper.
I've worked as a PC tech for years, and in that time, I've come across lots of Mac problems. I've also worked as an administrator, and let me tell you, setting up a mac network was one of the worst headaches evah!
The local college I worked at had Macs in the journalism and art depts, and that is the trend in most universities and colleges. Why? Because 8 years ago, Quark, Photoshop and ProTools were awesome software, and ran really well on Macs.
Since then, hardware has got crappy, and software sloppy. If you look online, you will see speed comparisons, and for the money you pay for a Mac, a PC will number crunch twice as fast, and all with the same software that you would run on a Mac. Why would you wait 4 minutes to save a media file, when you could do it in 2? Why, to be cool, different and edgy when you say you have a mac of course!
Here's a tip for people with windows problems: If it works, don't update it! Stop installing software you don't need. Get protection if you go to dodgy sites. Don't use 64bit unless you know what you're doing.
I have 2 vista, 2 xp, and there's no problems, except older hardware that doesn't have drivers for vista.
For the people with slow vista, you need faster hardware, especially fast RAM, not the cheap crap that came in your machine. If you can, upgrade your main drive to a 10,000 rpm sata, and if you have a hefty gfx card, make sure your pc is getting enough ventilation. You wouldn't believe how many random problems I've fixed on peoples computers by adding a vent and a good fan to their cases. Oh, and clean that dust out every few months

P.S. I love my iphone. Very handy.

[edit on 15-7-2008 by cruzion]

Vista is a memory hog compared to Mac OSx and it runs nowhere near as well, its not as efficient and it doesnt match the innovation and security features that OSx has.

The macs look amazing I will give you that but I didnt by mine just to be trendy I bought it because all my Adobe software runs perfectly on it and I dont have to buy antivirus software every year.

if I were to get a pc for what I do I wouldnt get the same value and if I went for a desktop I would have no room on my desk to fit it. Pc laptops alone dont come with a 20 inch screen like the imac does so price wise the laptop doesnt compete.

Desktop wise well with all the hardware in a pc today its going to be very noisy and not to mention hard on the wallet with all those upgrades which I dont have to do with my imac. I good video card alone is over a grand, corsair ram is 500 or more for 2 gig, and a thousand watt power supply is going to sound like a vacuum.

Just the video card and ram alone is 1500, 2 hundred more and I have the imac that I use right now and it is a whole computer, much better value. As I stated before I dont need a super powerful noisy pc for gaming because my consoles do that the best.

Vista is a very pretty and poor performing version of XP and including the costs of upgrades all the time for PC its allot of money down the drain. Also I have a wireless network and with an Apple modem with other pcs and my mac and it is easy to setup.

it is of course much easier to set up with a Mac than pc and everything works flawlessly on our wireless internet and fast too, I couldnt be happier. My brother is talking about buying an antivirus program, I just have to sit back, save money and not bother.

I am a sweaty person. Yah, I know TMI, but it just is. I didn't buy an iPod for it's glam, I bought it because iTunes was the only support system that would work with us'ns in the Caribbean (without having to fool around with semi-legal/confusing torrents and other crapola). I want things tough, and I want them simple and easy to use. I upload podcasts and music, and it lives in my damp pocket whilst I construct and carpent. Yes, that's a verb. I've had it three years, it's taken and unknown number of brutal knocks, once slipping out of my pocket while I was blacking in a roof, and it fell two stories to bounce off lumber and other construction detrius and still keeps on tickin'. On the front and back both, are a partial fingerprint of mine, forever memorialized in catelyzed gelcoat. At night, it drops neatly into the Sonic player and sits on the shelf of the hottub and we rock out. It's never given us a second of trouble. That's good enough for me.

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Hey great to know that your iPod has lasted you through all that, dont worry Im not an Apple sales rep I just love Apple stuff.

I think the simplicity, ease of use and functionality are the most important things in any product and I think that the whole premise of Apple encompasses that. Mac have style, functionality and are easy and intuitive to use. How many laptops look as good and function as well as the MacBooks and iMacs, I dont know of any.

I can pay 250 for a Logitech keyboard and its made of plastic, I can pay 70 dollars for a mac keyboard and its aluminum, Know any computer on the planet besides apple that is made mostly of aluminum, again I dont know any and I see so many plastic laptops in excess of 3000 dollars. My mac was 1700 and its made of sturdy aluminum whereas a laptop or computer is made of plastic for double the price.

I nearly fell out of my seat the first time I got a mac and that was six months ago and the first thing I thought was how in the world did I like Windows. I too thought Vista was amazing when I had a PC but when I found out that half the features and looks from Vista came from Mac I felt swindled. So I switched to Mac and never looked back not that I ever would.

I have the ipod as well and am planning on getting the ipod touch as I dont use mobiles but I can email to my contacts on the go which is a reason I go for the touch. I think many companies can compete with Apple but I dont think they will ever truly match Apple at all.

What makes me laugh is the amount of imitation of Apple inspired designs companies put out but they dont realize the first thing a customer will notice is Apple not their brand. So the Apple inspired product actually sells more Apple stuff because its so similar and the companies wonder why they lose profit.

Well, you were 6 months smarter than me. I nearly fell out of my chair too, and then I never left the chair, until people drug me away spouting brain damage. I love love love it. I love the services too. I love being able to select what updates I download. I love the graphics. I love the dock. I love the way icons go "poof". I could go on and on.

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Yep and thats just the OS wait till you see how much easier it is to organize files with Cover Flow view man its a breeze. My brother has Vista on his laptop and iTunes runs horrible on it and he has 4 gig of corsair ram, thats how bad Vista is.

Also Im getting iWork to replace Office 08 for Mac mainly because iWork kicks the hell out of Office and it runs much better also and I have 4 gig of ram with a core 2 duo 2 Ghz. So there is really no reason why Office should run so bad on mac with those system specs.

Im for Apple all the way and my iPod has lasted for 2 years and and still runs perfectly and it reliable. Apple provides extra warranty which is needed as if you buy any other brand mp3 player a year is the max you get, after that you have to buy a new one.

Not so with Apple

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That's just it... funny how you mention "then go buy more ram and not the cheap crap.... buy fast fast HD.... buy hefty GPhCard". Then we approach mac prices.
I built my own computer, and ended up handing out $1500 dollars for the thing without a screen, and that was with decent parts, not the best. If I had to add in those extra things you mention, I might as well have gotten a mac instead for the same price and ran 100% more reliable.
I don't what they did to those macs you saw with faults, but I challenge you to put up 100 Macs with Leopard and 100 pcs with Vista. They must have the exact same configuration... test them from startup time of the computer through building a 20 layered 16 bit tif in PS... or rendering a 5 min. movie in After Effects. I bet Macs will come out in top by a necessary margin, not a big one, but one that when you add to it the slickness of the user interface, the fact that you can't # around in program folders like you easily can in Windows and the fact that through the 20 years I've been around pcs, I can't count how many times I heard people complaining about them, ever since they turned to a graphics interface rather than Dos.
I remember maybe a handful of incidents from people with macs...

and this comes from someone who grew up with his dad screwing around with first green screen pcs, building his own, programming (even tried to teach me Turbo Pascal, but I wasn't patient enough ), and 20 years later, I will never buy a pc again, until Microsoft stops making their own software obsolete just when it's about to run smoothly.

-"Woops... here come's vista, guess I have to go buy a new computer since mine wasn't future safe, and I can't get drivers for half my crap."

Last thing is the prices for computer parts in Europe aren't really cheap regardless of brand not the good stuff anyways.
If I wasn't afraid it would be caught in customs I'd buy computers in the US anytime and save a bundle...


EDIT: By the way... did you never read the test they did with Windows on intel macs? The Intel macs beat the pc benchmarks with their own system xD that says a lot, hehe.

[edit on 16/7/08 by flice]

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Here is the list for a PC with Vista in AUD for the OP

MOTHERBOARD Asus Maximus Extreme AUD $522

MEMORY Corsair 4 Gig DDR 3 $880

CPU Intel Quad Core 2.5 Ghz $767

SOUND CARD Creative Sound Blaster XFI $126

GRAPHICS CARD Asus GTX280 $770

CASE: Silverstone Aluminum Case $385

POWER SUPPLY: Coolermaster 1000w $354

Grand Total $3,754

And thats not including a SLI setup which is another $770 and a widescreen monitor at around $500.

Now I can get the top of the line iMac for just over 3 grand with 4 gig of Corsair ram and 3 Ghz dual core processor. I dont have to put up with my mac sounding like a vacuum and Im not paying crazy prices for hardware upgrades. From the list above people can have a fair idea of how expensive that will become to constant upgrade all the time.

A console still outdoes and beats the pc because of the architecture of the game consoles so I would rather spend 600 on a PS3 and a HD tv and you get far better quality than any PC monitor.

Yet another reason why my mac is a workstation as Im a designer and why I think PCs are a waste of money as a gaming platform when game consoles outdo them every couple of years.

My mac does what I love and I dont need to spend excessive amounts of money on it and it doesnt sound like a vacuum as a 1000w power supply would. And thats another reason why people prefer laptops because I think they are letting the gaming consoles take care of games

Looks like you could be a mac fan like me

Sorry about the italics

[edit on 16-7-2008 by Drakiir]