Time For Texas To Be Kicked Out: Good Riddance!

Originally posted by maria_stardust
This particular Texan enjoys smoked barbecue brisket, museums, gallaries, theater, wine tastings and trips to the beach. We can be cultured when we want!

I will give Texas credit for having a lot of great culture. Absolutely. And it is a much more sincere type of culture than you find in New York IMO, or in California. A lot of great museums, orchestras. Home of progressive country / rock.

However, I am not sure about the beaches, though. (It is all that offshore drilling.) I understand Galveston's beaches are kind of nightmarish -- water as thick as mud, reeking of oil, beaches littered with broken beer bottles.

At least that is what they are saying in the Tampa, Florida, papers these days....

Originally posted by shai hulud
reply to post by Buck Division

 

Hey if your all about breaking up this facade of a union to separate the people that don't think alike and continue to rip this fake existence that we all live in apart...than hey guy I'm all on board. I would rather balkanize what's left of an independent culture and leave the rest to drown in the red wake that is coming than to play games and pussyfoot around with niceties.

So we reached agreement on that. Like I said in my original post -- I'm sure Texas could do better without us. Maybe I can get a visa to the Republic of Texas, and visit some of those art museums in Dallas I was talking about earlier. I would be happy to vacation a week or two in San Antonio.

Oh and yeah, I would save your "corpse" when the SHTF because it would be quite boring after my kind mop up and start over. I would need someone to remind me what the socialist, unarmed populace thought like.

Good. Then we have an understanding. You will save me from death, should the opportunity come up, and I will do the same for you. It is the least we can do for each other -- as Americans -- irrespective of our particular nation of origin**.

**Edit: By "nation of origin" I mean the USA or Republic of Texas, naturally. I guess we have to count Mexico and Canada in there, if we have to, since they are Americans also, I guess.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by Buck Division]

Lighten up there fella.. I think Ol' Buck has allready established that his stance has changed to some degree, plus he gave a compliment.

Don't give him a reason to be right about his position.
It seems the whole reason he wrote this thread was to test reaction and he was looking for someone to give good opinions.
Unlike so many people who are on ATS atleast buck can admit when he/she is possibly wrong or ill informed.

If Bush is a Texan, I'm a 6'6" 300lb albino Vietnamese person.

C'mon, seriously...

The values of your average Texan are more in keeping with the pioneer spirit of the country than most other state residents.

Most Texans I've met prized individuality, independence, self-sufficiency, and freedom.

Those are American cornerstone ideals, my friend.

I don't think there's any reason to hate Texas, or any other state for that matter.

Individual Americans can be rude, stupid, arrogant, violent, and troublesome in any number of other ways, but that doesn't mean the entire country is rotten to the core.

So anyway, it's now past midnight for me, and the responses are amazing.

First, I think it is especially interesting to how few Texans really got super defensive here. (As I said earlier, I would expect a different result if I changed the name of this thread to "Good Riddance to New York State", or something.) Having grown up in Texas, I'm not surprised to see this – Texas is really is a unique culture. Texas became part of the USA in a very different way than any other state. (It is the only USA state that was originally an independent republic!) And that has made Texas highly unique. Just take a look at our current USA President – there is a lot of self-confidence in Bush, irrespective of anything else you want to see in him.

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Of course this thread is ridiculous. There is no way we can split up the USA! It would be (as Eradown, Geocom, and others pointed out) more of a loss to the rest of the country than to Texas, but Texas would suffer as well. The whole idea would be a total loss for everyone. The fact that people didn't immediately dispute me on this (What are you joking? Are you insane, Buck?) is slightly confusing to me. I guess people are too acquainted with bizarre ideas here at ATS to make that challenge. Plus, maybe I argued my absurd point too passionately.

It is a satirical thread, dealing with nationalism and blame passing, and directing bad will against some really arbitrary group of people. I have seen so many threads attacking the USA or Israel or Iran that take the EXACT same tone. So this thread was suppose to illustrate how stupid and irrational that type of hatred is. That was my intention. In case you missed it.

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I will conclude by saying that my basic intent of this thread was not to provoke any discomfort or insult anyone. As far as pomposity, racism, religious intolerance – it is 100% applicable to Texas – but also to the entire USA in general, and the ENTIRE WORLD, so nobody should think Texas more of a standout in these faults than any other place. That is the sad universe we live in. Plenty of Texans, and other people, are working that problem, which gives me a lot of hope.

Thanks for listening!

I've got nothing against texas but. I do hate this one certain texan. my buddies mom just got some ignorant, bullish, pompous, hick for a boyfriend that is a bum and lives in her house at her expense. he walks around bullying the children in the house. and he does a lot of I'll kick your ass posturing.

He made the mistake of playing that game with me. thinks because work in the record industry instead of construction or whatever I'm not a real man. I told him that he can call himself a bigger man than me when he makes more money than me and when his annual contribution to his "new family" was more than the 2 dollars he borrowed from the neighbor down the street. So small dick there he got in my face and threatened to "kick my ass" the guys so fat he'd have a heart attack. SO i got in his face and guess what. mr. tough guy is all talk and didn't do crap. but I'm not done with him yet. he has a huge truck on lifters. seriously it looks like a car from some cartoon. but what pisses me off about this dude is that he has a bumper sticker that says. I'm from texas what country are you from. to me thats treason.

I'd like to take some muriatic pool acid and a q-tip and crawl under his truck at night while he's passed out inside from not working and drinking beer and dab a little bit of the stuff on his break hydraulic line right where it comes out of the master cylinder. A little each time so that eventually in no time at all his break line goes out while doing 50 down the street and slams into a telephone pole or something. Not saying I'd do that but it sure would be nice.

Seriously you texans can take this guy back.

On the bright side in college one of my best friends was from texas and anytime I'd drop by in the winter, even in a blizzard he'd be on his porch bbqing some steak. thats the part of texas I like. so texas isn't all bad.

this is why i agree with you....

Originally posted by Buck Division


A complicated issue Roadgravel, to be resolved by the USA Supreme Court. (Emphasis on "USA" -- and not "Texas" Supreme Court.) But generally, I would think that Texas would not be allowed to dictate oil and gas reserves. And they wouldn't be able to keep any nuclear weapons and military hardware. Fort Bliss, El Paso, reverts back to the Union. (How can you argue against that, really?)

You are a complicated spacial kind of bigot. To ignorant to remember that during the last civil war the north tried what your suggesting which lead to the battle of fort summter.

You would kick Texas out but steal our oil. Gee what kind of american attitude is that? It is just like the people in charge of america today who feel they have a right to steal other nations oil!

Think about it.

Originally posted by Buck Division
Of all the great USA states, I would like to see Texas leave our union. The most.

This state has given us nothing but loser presidents, arrogance, pomposity, racism, religious intolerance, assassinations, and – yeah – high oil prices.

Texas really needs to be its own little country, where they can cultivate their own little idiosyncratic behaviors, before the NAFTA highway gets settled into place.

It's time for Texans pack their bags and move out. They will be fine without us, and I am sure that is completely mutual.

Google Results 1 thru 10 of about 7,500,000 for why I hate Texas.

I'm sure many of my friends here at ATS will agree. Or not. I'm interested in any opinions you may have. Am I being too peevish here?

Edit: Fixed title. I didn't want any ambiguity here.


[edit on 11-7-2008 by Buck Division]

I happrn to be from Texas, and first of all the only president we gave you was Lyndon Johnson...bush is from connecticut moron...

second of all as for JFK assasination you meed to talk to the CIA about that...

as far as it being a mutual feeling that it would be better if Texas were gone, I'm pretty sure we'd be better off without the rest of the U.S. as we provide nearly 2/5 of the U.S. GPD...We have everything a country needs to prosper made domestically in this state


As far as racism...I believe its been said that there's no state as diverse as Texas...that between North and South, East and West, that a person can experiance nearly all that this country has to offer... oh and by the way there are some areas that are as conservative as the deep south amd some areas that are as liberal as the west coast

And as far as religious intolerance... I happen to live in GWB's adopted "hometown" (unfortunately)... and not only are there several christian churches but als several muslim, buddhist and also jewish temples...alll of which worship freely without persecution

And yes I feel you are being to peevish here...maybe you need to really study this area before you rag on it.... o ya and if you still wanna say good riddance then more power to ya...well probably be better off with out all the U.S.'s economical and social problems, because as your all struggling through this were thriving just fine

About the only reason i am in this thread is because it is 2:45am, and i am bored.

Listen, i am unsure what all this is about texas. especially the individual who said we have no recreation. Have you ever even looked? Texas has the worlds best water park. And we have two of them (New Braunfels and Corpus Christie). We have 2 NFL teams, 3 NBA teams, and 2 MLB teams. we have countless rivers and lakes, some of the best deer hunting in the US (along with hog, turkey, duck, quail...). Whether you like desert, mountain, forest, swamp, or beach, we got it covered. i am sure you can find a trailer park and rodeo somewhere....but i think you are talking about new mexico, not texas.

never heard anyone complain about Texas while sitting in san antonio with a belly full of fajitas, sipping on a cerveza, looking at the lovely senoritas.

this thread is a sham. you don't want to get rid of texas. and, even if you did, i don't think you would get our oil and gas. and you will have to go to wyoming for your beef.

I am a texan and I take offense that ANYONE would call george bush a texan. he is a fake, evil, lying scumbag. ANd a pussy. plus he was born in Connecticut, and that is why i take offense the anyone would call him a texan.
rick perry is a nauseating excuse for a texan as well.
But as most of our representatives are retards i can see why think the way you do toward the state.
but i reply with the intent to show that there are indeed intelligent and honorable people from texas.
don't take it out on the whole state, just state the ones you have the problem with.
p.s. ignore the " king of the hill" stereotype please.

reply to post by systemfighter28



Oh and thank Tom DeLay for all the republican gerrymandering...

Many Texans still embrace the "cowboy way" and until they get out this primitive mindset many (not all) of them are going to remain obnoxious bullies.

It's a attitude or flavor a place cultivates. I had mentioned to my husband that "the few Texans I have met I just couldn't get along with" and his reply was, "When I was in the navy they were always the ones fighting and were having to prove how macho they were, they couldn't get along with anyone".

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Many Texans still embrace the "cowboy way" and until they get out this primitive mindset many (not all) of them are going to remain obnoxious bullies.

It's a attitude or flavor a place cultivates. I had mentioned to my husband that "the few Texans I have met I just couldn't get along with" and his reply was, "When I was in the navy they were always the ones fighting and were having to prove how macho they were, they couldn't get along with anyone".

it isnt always about "trying to prove how macho we are"...ther are places in texas that the nearest law enforcement is 20 miles away so sometimes the only person you have to count on for protection is yourself and no one else...and ya ive been around those people too and they do tick me off mostly because they cant just lighten up in public places

If you don't like America.... you can just get out.
But really the idea of Texas of all states getting kicked out is ridiculous. Maybe let us have Alaska like we should.

reply to post by Trauma



I'd settle for nebraska lmao!!

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
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never heard anyone complain about Texas while sitting in san antonio with a belly full of fajitas, sipping on a cerveza, looking at the lovely senoritas.

Oh yes San Antonio and the Riverwalk are muy bueno!! lol


Remember the Alamo!!!

Yeah, this whole thread is a little silly to me. First the OP wants Texas to leave, but wants to keep the goodies like oil? You can't do both my friend. Either Texas would stay, or if it takes it's ball and goes home, then it takes EVERYTHING on it's property, inlcuding the coastline that Texas has special rights to as opposed to any other state's coastline. I don't know the exact law, but I believe Texas has many special rights to it's coastline than any other state has to it's own. So, if Texas were to leave the US, you would lose TONS of oil (probably just help to drive the cost up that much more), you would lose the agriculture. I think Florida, Texas and California pretty much make up all of the ag products the US has, not including exports of course. You would lose millions of people who own guns responsibly, so when the US gov takes away your guns, Texas will still have them to protect itself. I live in Texas and I speak from personal experience about guns. The majority of people here were trained using guns from a very young age. They become a part of your lifestyle and the guns are respected because of that. If there's ever going to be a civil war in the US again , or if there's going to be a fight from the citizens against the Gov, you'd better believe that Texas will be HUGE, HUGE factor in winning for the citizens. You lose Texas, you lose more than you know. I appreciated your other comments after realizing what you said in your OP, but it should go further. What your OP equated to was racism, or really bad stereotyping and either way, those are forms of hate and stupidity. It's true, it's America that's the problem, not one state. Texas may lack behind a few states in education, but, it excels past the majority by far. There are some pretty uneducated states that don't really contribute much to the US economy. Like you said, you hate Texas for the same reasons the rest of the world hates the US. You dislike the minority that makes the decisions, but the majority are good people, Texas and the US. Anyhow, I'm done. I've been to every US state except for Alaska and spent a good amount of time in many of them to get a feel for some of the good and bad. Texas does more to help the US than hurt it. California is the same way. As many bad things may come out of both these states, more good comes out for the US overall.

JPT

[edit on 12-7-2008 by justpassingthrough]

Originally posted by Buck Division
So anyway, it's now past midnight for me, and the responses are amazing.

First, I think it is especially interesting to how few Texans really got super defensive here. (As I said earlier, I would expect a different result if I changed the name of this thread to "Good Riddance to New York State", or something.)

The fact that people didn't immediately dispute me on this (What are you joking? Are you insane, Buck?) is slightly confusing to me. I guess people are too acquainted with bizarre ideas here at ATS to make that challenge. Plus, maybe I argued my absurd point too passionately.

Well, good point (sorry, didn't quote your point though lol)! Kind of wondered if that was what you were doing. Based on other posts you don't really come across as an unreasonable person.

And there are ppl here in Tx that, had upon seeing these statements, would have been all over it. Of course, most of these ppl are not REALLY Texan, but bc they live here they THINK they know why we are so proud. They don't realize that it is more than the landscape (I have been all over the US and love it, but can never wait to get back home), the friendly BORN AND RAISED Texans, the attitude (friendly, but we aren't putting up w/ anyone's *snip*), Tex~Mex w/ good margaritas, sitting around the campfires w/ good company sharing tall tales ........

These are great things and cherished, but what makes Texas great to us is its history and the pride real Texans take in that. Most that would throw their chest out and say something along the lines of "nuh uh, you just don't know. wanna come say it to my gun? " aren't REALLY Texan and we pretty much ignore them too.

Think of it like this, when a women gets a valuable piece of jewelry and ends up on the "wrong side of town," she's not gonna flaunt it bc she cherishes it and can't imagine it in the hands of someone who would just throw it away for a few bucks.

New Yorkers, gotta love them, match us in our pride; however, their pride tends to be one based in arrogance (feeling they are entitled just bc) and/or recent events (which was sad).

But the pride of most true Texans is based on thankfulness and appreciation for not only the "founding fathers" of this state, but the founding fathers of this country as well.

Insider's secret: Contrary to what most ppl think, the majority of us THAT ARE BORN AND BRED HERE are not racist, we don't give a *snip* about what your religion is, and we don't go out w/ bubba looking for ppl to abuse; rather we tend to live and let live.... but when it comes to the protection of our ppl in this state and this country, the true texans don't lay down and get *snipped*; however we have little tolerance for those who won't take control over their own life. Our pride is a humble one and we have no problem w/ the "personal responsibility" concept.

If you ever find yourself headed this way let me know and I'll send you a list of spots off the beaten path that are sure to make you go away having tasted a bit of our pride.














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