Time For Texas To Be Kicked Out: Good Riddance!

Of all the great USA states, I would like to see Texas leave our union. The most.

This state has given us nothing but loser presidents, arrogance, pomposity, racism, religious intolerance, assassinations, and – yeah – high oil prices.

Texas really needs to be its own little country, where they can cultivate their own little idiosyncratic behaviors, before the NAFTA highway gets settled into place.

It's time for Texans pack their bags and move out. They will be fine without us, and I am sure that is completely mutual.

Google Results 1 thru 10 of about 7,500,000 for why I hate Texas.

I'm sure many of my friends here at ATS will agree. Or not. I'm interested in any opinions you may have. Am I being too peevish here?

Edit: Fixed title. I didn't want any ambiguity here.


[edit on 11-7-2008 by Buck Division]

An ATS link that support my above opinion on this topic:

I Pledge Allegiance To The Flag Of Texas

Also, from BTS: (Okay -- the author of the thread below was banned. But still an interesting read):

How to REALLY Hate People

In full disclosure here: I went to high school in Texas. It's not something I'm going to discuss here, or elsewhere. I don't know what it is about Texas. It just engenders dislike, especially for those who once lived there, so it seems.

reply to post by Buck Division


I recognise the legitimacy of your anger, but blaming Texas and Texans makes as much sense as blaming Jews during the Nazi period in Germany.

There are evil people in Texas who should be in prison like Rick Perry, Barbara Bush, and George H.W. Bush. And there are evil former governors of Texas like the current U.S. President who should be strung up for treason, but that does not indict Texans.

Texas has produced brilliant patriotic voices like Mollie Ivins and others.

Your anger is really best directed at the purveyors of the New World Order not at Texans in general.


[edit on 11/7/08 by Pellevoisin]

It sounds like your talking out of your rear end my friend.
Im not a big fan of Texas either, And I dont really see much that it has to offer especially in the way of recreation.

Oh boy! a rodeo with real horses and white trash riding around in manure!!!
Not to mention for a state that suposedly has some of the highest education levels and "what not" the people who live here seem to take it in one ear and out the other.
But for all my dislikes of this state I dont think I can be as harsh as you, mainly because I see all states as having similar problems as I have lived in most all of them for a time or another.
Likewise I also look at America as being similar to how you feel about texas as also I lived over seas for many years and got to watch the pompous behavior of the American people at a distance.
I dont know what it is with Americans that everytime they open their mouth ignorance pours out firstly rather than sound reasoning.
But I guess that could be the fualt of the media for who they choose to interview.

Your overly aggressive stance toward a state that has done its part to insure the saftey of the union along with all the other states seems to me to be a little arrogant and in bad taste on your part.

Just because you dislike somthing you pull a rapid fire technique shooting down an issue because it doesnt fit your personal criteria for what a "GOOD STATE" should be.

I am not really fond of Califonia and I can give many reason for why it to should secede from the United States. Im sure that my reasoning for these things are as outlandish and trivial as yours are for Texas, however rather than showing my protest in a haughty way that is insulting to others I think my general dislike for it will suffice.
No amount of whining is going to change anything anyway.
So if you really dislike it so much there are far more effective means by which you can protest.
One example would be going to the Texas, Oklahoma border wearing a sign that demonstrates your distaste for the state and a stern warning to all those entering therein that Texas kills brain cells.


FYI I live in Texas but Im not from here.
It's not Texas I wish to escape from it's the American people.
FYI again, I am a natural born American, Caucasian, Middle class, with a nice job and a decent place to live, and having seen a better way and also lived it for 15 years I would gladly give up this life here and go to what I call my new home.
It's such a relief to go somewhere where people are really so preoccupied trying to live that there is no time to whine about petty issues.

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Great answer!

You know what? As I've been pondering this thread, especially in light of your above comment -- I just had an incredible revelation!

Could it be that the irrational hatred I feel towards Texas is similar to the irrational hatred the rest of the world feels towards the USA? Wow. I don’t know, but I think it is possible.

Maybe Texas is a microcosm of the USA, and what I am feeling towards Texans is the way that Europe feels about me. That is a bit of a disturbing thought.

Maybe Texas is actually responsible for all the hatred that Europeans have towards the USA (because after all, Bush is nothing if not a Texan.) In that case, all the more reason we should sever the ties with the Lone Star State.

Or – maybe it is just human nature to focus on one particular target, like Texas, like the USA, like the West. Maybe human beings just hate, hate, and hate for no real reason, rational, and irrespective of any arguments or persuasion, because it makes us feel better in some small way.

Thanks, Snowen.

Edit: And thanks also Pellevoisin, of course. Austin and San Antonio may remain in the USA, if that can be arranged.


[edit on 11-7-2008 by Buck Division]

I honestly hope you don't think im trying to attack your character, or undermine your personal integrity with words like arrogant, or ignorant.
It is the general populous im peeved with..
Truth be known I can in some small way relate to your strong feelings regarding Texas, I just felt that your opinnion was rather strong and obtuse but who knows like you said we all have the things we dislike for one reason or another and most of the time none of us have any real ground to stand on for our dislike.. Most people have that "JUST BECUASE"
mentality. Oh well all humans are alike I guess, and there are some positive things that can be said for a straight talker.

IT'S taken 211 years, but Connecticut has finally produced a president of the United States.

True, George W. Bush pulled up stakes and moved to Texas at an early age -- the age of 2 to be precise -- but his birth in New Haven on July 6, 1946, makes him a Connecticut native and the only one ever elected president. Good luck getting him to acknowledge that.

Mr. Bush was born in Connecticut just as his father, who had delayed college to serve as a World War II Navy pilot, had completed his sophomore year at Yale. George W. was born to Barbara and George Bush in what was then Grace-New Haven Community Hospital and is now Yale-New Haven Hospital. The new baby's first home, according to Herbert Parmet, his father's biographer, was 37 Hillhouse Avenue, a one-family house that had been converted into apartments for veterans and their families.

Link

He's not a native Texan...Like so many others, he moved here.

I somehow managed to flag this thread accidentally. But this is just silly. If anything Texas would secede

hmm, well I support your right to feel this way and I, too, would like to see texas depart from the rest of the country. We definately have our problems to be worked out, but I don't see them being worked out unless we depart from the current governing administration.

having said that, your president is not a texan. in fact, speaking more of my generation and those following, there is nothing more irritating than to hear him or others call him Texan. My gawd, he can't even get the UT hand gesture right! Unless you are born here in texas, you cannot rightfully claim that you are texan. If you were not born on the property, you are not of the property. The current dict.... *snip* oops, hehe, i mean president was born in connecticut, not texas.

And I love the way that ppl believe the stereotypes of texans as seen on television. Keep believing it bc most of us are pretty friendly, but won't put up too long w/ whiners, complainers, and those that throw the blame of all their problems onto everyone else.

oh and btw, there are ordinary US citizens born and bred in tx all over the texan/mexican border bearing the brunt of mexico's dirty laundry (this is not a reference to the ppl specifically, but rather the results of a greedy gov't) and our current administrations apparant apathy for the citizens of this country. There are many texans who have and are standing at the border w/ gun in hand despite the fact that they can and have been arrested for protecting their families, their land, their possessions and ultimately all of the rest of you.

I would think that you should try to offer out a little thanks to at least them rather than lumping all texans into one category based on what you THINK you know.

Calling George Dubbya texan is !!! damn connecticut weasels for starting that rumor.

reply to post by Buck Division
Texas tried to leave the Union once. We were forced to rejoin.Face reality. Texas could disappear into an alternate reality and you would still have all your problems and more problems as a result of the disappearance of Texas.



[edit on 11-7-2008 by eradown]

If you think gas costs a lot now go ahead and kick Texas out of the union
they have more oil wells and refineries then any other place in the U.S.
as far as recreation goes there is all kinds of stuff to do around the green belt and Austin is the only place I have ever lived where a car get's a ticket for cutting off a bicycle or pedestrian , additionally has a fantastic public transport system..

I couldn't tell you much about the rest of the state from personal experience but I would venture that there is far more to do than go to a Rodeo.

as far as the big Texas attitude well that would go away if they ever went to Alaska more than twice the size of Texas..

all that said I am not a big fan overall on Texas and met some very good people there....

Oh yeah don't forget the surfing in Corpus Cristi , and the Padre Islands North and South great places to visit..

So, I did a Google search on the top five USA states, looking for the number of phrases "I hate XXX", and here are my results, easily repeatable if you want to try it:

Google Results about 34,100 for "I Hate New York".

Google Results about 20,900 for "I Hate Florida".

Google Results about 19,600 for "I Hate Texas".

Google Results about 15,400 for "I Hate California".

Google Results about 11,200 for "I Hate Illinois".

Surprisingly, Texas does pretty well, given that it is the second most populated state (at 24 million people) comes in as number 3. What really surprises me is that California, ranked as the most populated state (at 37 million people) is down at number 4, according to my Google hate ranking. Excellent for the "Golden State".

List of US States By Population

Maybe I am off-base regarding this jag about Texas. Maybe New York should be the one that is asked to leave the USA, based upon my above results? Don't know. I could be wrong about this entire thread!

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Just for comparison:

Google Results: about 97,500 for "I Hate Bush"

Google Results: about 6,840 for "I Hate Obama".

Google Results: about 4,600 for "I Hate McCain".

Based on Google, people hate McCain the least. Who would have thought?

Originally posted by geocom
If you think gas costs a lot now go ahead and kick Texas out of the union
they have more oil wells and refineries then any other place in the U.S.

Well, I'm not saying that Texas should be allowed to keep their oil and gas reserves. Maybe I was misunderstood there. No. The USA gets the oil and natural gas, of course. We're not letting Texas join OPEC, if I have my way.

All that said I am not a big fan overall on Texas and met some very good people there.

They say the same thing about the USA in Tehran, I am sure. It is not the USA "people" that the Iranians hate, but the USA "government". And so this statement, while accurate with me, just makes me wonder. Perhaps what the Iranians REALLY hate is actually just the state of Texas (home of George W. Bush.) Before you dismiss that idea, please give it some thought.

Oh yeah don't forget the surfing in Corpus Cristi , and the Padre Islands North and South great places to visit.

In my experience, Corpus Cristi is a dump. But Padre Islands are excellent. They can stay part of the USA, along with Austin and San Antonio. The entire panhandle has got to go, including Midland and Odessa, not withstanding any oil or gas reserves, IMO.

Originally posted by Buck Division

Well, I'm not saying that Texas should be allowed to keep their oil and gas reserves. Maybe I was misunderstood there. No. The USA gets the oil and natural gas, of course. We're not letting Texas join OPEC, if I have my way.

So you believe the federal government should confiscate private property? There are both Texan and non-Texan owners of natural gas minerals.

[edit on 7/11/2008 by roadgravel]

Well if your arrogant post is reflective of the union that you belong to, I would support leaving you to your ideas and there own devices. You are all that is representative of a clueless mentality that is subject to a very violent end when the time comes. Those "racist, religious, and pompous" people might save your arrogant corpse one day because you don't know the meaning of independence.

1. your a troll

2. your an insecure, uninformed child

Either way I as a Texan have no use for either.



[edit on 11-7-2008 by shai hulud]

Originally posted by justamomma
And I love the way that ppl believe the stereotypes of texans as seen on television. Keep believing it bc most of us are pretty friendly, but won't put up too long w/ whiners, complainers, and those that throw the blame of all their problems onto everyone else.

One thing I will give Texans credit for -- they are very polite and rational.

Really, in that regard, losing Texas would be a huge loss to the USA. There is nobody more polite than a Texan. That is true. And no -- they will not tolerate fools for very long. Also true. But they dismiss you politely -- as is obvious by your reply!

If I was to change "Texas" to "New York" in the title of this thread, I would have been ripped to pieces by everyone from New York. I have no doubt about that.

Originally posted by shai hulud
Well if your arrogant post is reflective of the union that you belong to, I would support leaving you to your ideas and there own devices. You are all that is representative of a clueless mentality that is subject to a very violent end when the time comes. Those "racist, religious, and pompous" people might save your arrogant corpse one day because you don't know the meaning of independence.

Well said Shai -- I needed that comment! Unfortunately, it goes directly against my immediately previous post. But the good thing is that it ABSOLUTELY reinforces the reason I started this thread to begin with.

Good to be reminded again of why I started this thread. Feel free to save my corpse one day, if you have a mind to!

Oh, this is too funny! I am from Texas and I can assure you this state is not like it's portrayed in the movies. Not everyone wears spurs and 10-gallon hats and rides their horse Trigger to work.

I remember several years ago I was attending a professional convention in Chicago, and had the opportunity to mingle with young collegues. When I mentioned I was from Texas they were both intrigued and disappointed. I wasn't wearing cowboy boots, I didn't have a straw of hay dangling from my mouth, and I didn't sound like a hick. However, things quickly changed when I let the phrase "ya'll'' slip out during conversation. They were quite happy then.

This particular Texan enjoys smoked barbecue brisket, museums, gallaries, theater, wine tastings and trips to the beach. We can be cultured when we want!

So please don't blame the whole of Texas for a few of our bad apples. Every state has a few in their own backyard. Ours just seem bigger!

[edit on 7/11/2008 by maria_stardust]

Originally posted by roadgravel

Originally posted by Buck Division

Well, I'm not saying that Texas should be allowed to keep their oil and gas reserves. Maybe I was misunderstood there. No. The USA gets the oil and natural gas, of course. We're not letting Texas join OPEC, if I have my way.

So you believe the federal government should confiscate private property? There are both Texan and non-Texan owners of natural gas minerals.

A complicated issue Roadgravel, to be resolved by the USA Supreme Court. (Emphasis on "USA" -- and not "Texas" Supreme Court.) But generally, I would think that Texas would not be allowed to dictate oil and gas reserves. And they wouldn't be able to keep any nuclear weapons and military hardware. Fort Bliss, El Paso, reverts back to the Union. (How can you argue against that, really?)

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Hey if your all about breaking up this facade of a union to separate the people that don't think alike and continue to rip this fake existence that we all live in apart...than hey guy I'm all on board. I would rather balkanize what's left of an independent culture and leave the rest to drown in the red wake that is coming than to play games and pussyfoot around with niceties.

Texas is still to this day is a free Republic. It never had the chance to vote itself back in the "union" under elected representatives (just like the rest of the CSA). Which should make you quite happy.

Oh and yeah, I would save your "corpse" when the SHTF because it would be quite boring after my kind mop up and start over. I would need someone to remind me what the socialist, unarmed populace thought like.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by shai hulud]