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Revelation Chapter 12

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posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 03:13 PM
The early Catholic Church certainly conspired to manipulate and in many cases destroy scriptures that foretold of another prophet to come after Jesus. If they could have understood revelation at the time, they would definitely not let this pass. (sorry, you will have to be somewhat versed in Bible prophecy to follow this, something I highly recommend becoming. For a good introduction, watch Walter Veith's lectures "The mists of time" and "The Man behind the Mask")

In Revelation Chapter 12 we are presented with the Image of a Woman in pains to give birth. This is clearly accepted as the righteous church of God about to produce a Prophet.
We have several clues as to how to place the events of this Chapter in the timeline of history. First is that the Dragon standing before her that want to devour her child is seven headed, ten horned and seven crowned. It is accepted that this beast is a representation of the Roman empire after it is divided into ten. And, because the crowns are only seven, the 3 divisions that the Little Horn Power of Daniel Chapter 7 are to pluck out from the roots, must have already been plucked. This gives us a date of after 538 AD when the Ostrogoths were destroyed.
This fits perfectly with the second clue as to the time period in Question. Once the male child is born, the Righteous Church (the woman) is relocated to the Desert (or wilderness) for the Times, time and a half a time, or 1260 prophetic years. This time period both from Daniel and Revelation is well established as referring to the period from 538 AD to 1798, while the Beast of the Holy Roman Empire ruled.
Continuing to borrow on the symbolism of Daniel to interpret Revelation, we set up the Statue of King Nebuchadnezzar's dream (Which represents the Non-Abrahamic empires from Babylon to Rome) next to the Woman of Rev 12, interpreted as the Righteous religious community of God. Standing next to one another we can see the time periods set before us from the Time of Babylon to the the fall of Rome when Rome was divided into ten. The Golden head of Babylon is across from the 12 stars around the Woman's head. These are often considered the 12 tribes of Israel and therefore Judaism. Then across from the shoulders hips and legs of Medo-Persia, Greece and Pagan Rome, the Woman is clothed in the Sun. This is often simply interpreted as pure teachings of God, but would be centered on the time of Jesus Christ. Then Across from the feet and 10 toes of the statue we see under the Woman's feet: the Moon.
So To put this all together, what prophet, destined to rule with a an iron rod would come in the desert in the time period after 538 AD and be represented by the symbol of the Moon? Of course this is Mohammed.
And of course this perfectly explains the meaning of the rest of Revelation Chapter 12. "15-Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river (sends Crusaders (water referring to people)) to overtake the woman(Islam) and sweep her away with the torrent."
"17-Then the dragon (Anitchrist-UnHoly Roman Empire) was wroth with the Woman(Islam) and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. (Righteous Jews and Protestant Christians)
This last line clearly shows that the Jews and Christians were not considered part of this Woman, but rather the remnant of her seed…

posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 04:10 PM
Is this a current interpretaion of Rev. 12?

It seems to make some sense!

Very interesting.

posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 05:16 PM
reply to post by Harold Watson

Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river (sends Crusaders (water referring to people)) to overtake the woman(Islam) and sweep her away with the torrent."

I would interpret it the opposite way that you do.
The torrent of people would be the Arabs that ran the Christians out of the strongholds of that religion in Alexandria an Constantinople.
The Crusades could not be the torrent because it is not a people but an Army.
The Muslims advanced as a people.
I do not find this whole interpretation credible in any way.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by jmdewey60]

posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 05:35 PM
The book of Daniel explains the last empire being mixed with Iron and Clay that did not cling on to each other. Iron is Europe and the Clay probably Arabia as one type of Empire relying on each other but not as a people.

The Iron and clay could also be the genetic cross breed of the Angelic and Human bloodline, like the times of Noah so shall the comming of the Son of man be. Maybe economy and bloodline is mixed anyway.
The woman is said to be Isreal and the Christian followers to some interpretations.

posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 06:35 PM
reply to post by whiteraven

It's no huge secret, The Vatican (The Roman Catholic Chruch) is probably the best match to the beast described in Book of Daniel and Book of Revelations per today.

There aren't many religions that changed the 10 commandments, but the catholic church did, and they also changed Sabbath to sunday. These things fit the description of the beast according to Daniel and Revelations. It's no huge surprise then that the Roman Catholic church also outlawed any translation of holy scripture during the middle ages. The Roman Catholics also supported Nazi Germany during WW2.

These things are no longer secrets, it's history and cold hard fact now. I don't know how Islam fits into the picture here though (I don't know much about Islam so I won't talk about it).

posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 09:59 PM
reply to post by Harold Watson

Can i get a signed Copy when your book is published, So it comes down to (my opinion) Interactive history and timelines or connect the events. Peace

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