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For those who don't remember, the 13th Amendment says: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime ... shall exist within the United States."
In his speech on national service Wednesday at the University of Colorado, Obama promised that as president he would "set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year."
Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
Those of us who are interested in helping our communities because it is the right thing to do do not want to be forced to work with or try to organize tens of thousands of fellow students who are forced to help - these type of people only make things worse. Involuntary help on community service means those of us who want to help our communities are left babysitting those who would rather do anything but help out.
[edit on 9-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
This is also my problem with government aid money given to foreign nations. It is our money and our time and the instant the decision on where it goes is no longer ours to make is the instant it ceases being charitable and becomes, in effect, forced. Obama, however, is a socialist, so why this would surprise anyone coming from him is beyond me. Socialism dictates mandatory "volunteer" service routinely... for proof of that just look at all the tens of thousands of forced "volunteers" working to clean up the red tide in China for the Olympics.
Originally posted by sc2099
Not surprising...it's only fleshing out his previous sentiments that post graduation college students should spend years at a time in the peace corps as repayment for that whopping $1000 a year scholarship the government would give them.
Why do people fall for this crap?
Originally posted by The Nighthawk
First, forced servitude is alive and well in the US; it's called Debt.
Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
Originally posted by The Nighthawk
First, forced servitude is alive and well in the US; it's called Debt.
What does this have to do with the topic? Debt is voluntary servitude. Forcing people to do community service while attending high school (and they have no choice - they must attend high school) is forced servitude. Big difference. One is allowed under the constitution, the other is not.
Originally posted by Maxmars
Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
Originally posted by The Nighthawk
First, forced servitude is alive and well in the US; it's called Debt.
What does this have to do with the topic? Debt is voluntary servitude. Forcing people to do community service while attending high school (and they have no choice - they must attend high school) is forced servitude. Big difference. One is allowed under the constitution, the other is not.
It has A LOT to do with the topic. When a person enters a contract with an institution that relies on his 'promisory note' to repay, like a loan, credit card, or mortgage, they are supposed to 'in spirit and intent' be provided a full understanding of the consequences of all the terms and conditions of the contract.
Financial institutions, along with a lot of help from the BAR association have made such contracts completely unintelligible to the consumer. Most have NO CLUE of the long range impact such contracts have.
I know people who took out a $275K loan for a home and thought that they would be paying back that money plus the interest amount as advertised. They didn't realize that after all is said and done they'll be paying back WELL over that amount. I know people who get those 'in the mail' credit cards not realizing the rate will change after a few months, or the first time they actually use the card. There are those who maintain that it is the responsibility of the borrower to 'read the fine print' - but then - what is the purpose of making the print 'so fine' that it escapes attention, or is couched in legalese terms so as to be unrecognizable - the intent is to conceal it - there can be no other reason for the practice.
I know people who took out a $275K loan for a home and thought that they would be paying back that money plus the interest amount as advertised. They didn't realize that after all is said and done they'll be paying back WELL over that amount.