Briton faces jail after Dubai beach sex

Originally posted by poet1b
Excuse me for having an opinion, but throwing someone in jail for 4 YEARS for natural acts is completely and totally barbaric.

Bluntly, you live in a country that impeached a man for getting a BJ, in private, and went nuts when Janet Jackson exposed a nipple during a Superbowl Half Time show - and you are preaching about a country arresting someone for having sex on a public beach?

Get real.

reply to post by buddhasystem


Would they send you to jail for 4 years if you were caught walking down the street in Manhattan with a pistol in a holster on your hip in plain view?

I highly doubt it, and carrying a loaded weapon is not as harmless as performing lude acts on a secluded beach in the middle of the night. If you have to go to this much of an extreme to raise a sort of parrellel situation in the U.S., you know you are wrong. Strapping on a gun and walking around the city isn't exactly a natural act, it is asking for trouble.

Originally posted by poet1b
Excuse me for having an opinion, but throwing someone in jail for 4 YEARS for natural acts is completely and totally barbaric.

Opinion is great.
So IN YOUR OPINION.
How much of that 'time' is for

a)lewd behaviour in a public place
b)drunk n disorderly
c)racial attack
d)assaulting a police officer

Or are you just trying to suggest it's only unfair because it was a muslim law unfamiliar with your own?

I want to be able to carry a fully loaded bazooka in US and UK in public.. I think it's unfair that I can't.. How ridiculous is that?..Bloody western laws..

reply to post by neformore


Actually, Bill was impeached by the house for supposedly lying under oath, and was found innocent by the Senate.

Janet Jackson flashed the entire nation kids and all, and didn't go to jail for 4 years.

Can you tell the difference?

From what I read the woman was found in a compromising position with her partner, and not flashing anyone or exposing herself to anyone. Got any evidence to back your claims? Even you can't justify the penalty without exaggerating the crime.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Would they send you to jail for 4 years if you were caught walking down the street in Manhattan with a pistol in a holster on your hip in plain view?

I don't have time to do research but from what I saw on the web you might indeed end up in jail. Will it be 4 years or less, I don't want to find out.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by neformore

 

Can you tell the difference?

From what I read the woman was found in a compromising position with her partner, and not flashing anyone or exposing herself to anyone.

A 19 year boyfriend of a 17 year old woman, acting in complete privacy, is liable to get a major prison term. How's that?

reply to post by AGENT_T


Four years for any of this is barbaric, no matter what country gave such a penalty. Thirty days in jail should be the maximum, especially if no one was around except the arresting officer.

I certainly would never visit such a place.

reply to post by buddhasystem


Or how about a lifetime in Guantanamo bay for even suggesting something naughty

If I lived in a glass house POET I'd ..err.. won't get fooled again.

Originally posted by poet1b
Can you tell the difference?

It makes no difference.

Were you making such a big fuss over either of those? After all, BC's was directly related to him having some...relaxation, and JJ only showed a nipple, and we've all got those.

You're clutching at straws with this one. Really you are.

reply to post by buddhasystem


Yeah, well, four years in jail for a 19 year old being with a consenting 17 year old is barbaric as well. From my understanding, this is not something that happens, unless the 19 year old is a repeat offender.

Originally posted by poet1b
I certainly would never visit such a place.

And there folks we have it in a nutshell..
The reason why most Americans don't have a passport.

The inability to follow anyone else's rules so play 'stay away'

When I get my own Island I'll make it an offence to wear Bikinis whilst playing beach ball..

Till then I guess I'll have to stick to whatever rules each and every country I visit imposes.
Dangittt ..42 and counting with no hassle..

Like I said, neither BC or Janet went to jail for four years. You are the one clutching at straws.

Four years in jail for sex on the beach is barbaric, unless they were in the middle of a bunch of children. If no one else was around, it shouldn't even be a crime. At worse, they should be fined and kicked out of the country, and never allowed back in.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Yeah, well, four years in jail for a 19 year old being with a consenting 17 year old is barbaric as well.

OK, where do you draw the line?

reply to post by poet1b

Every country has its own specific set of laws. Just because a person doesn't happen to agree with some of these laws, doesn't give that person carte blanche in disregarding them.

There are consequences to be had for certain actions, as this particular individual has learned the hard way.

From the linkl provided in the OP

Sex outside marriage is illegal in the UAE, as is cohabitation, adultery and homosexual behaviour.

Illegal. Get it? As in not allowed by law.

YOU may find that strange, but you don't live in the UAE.

The world is not the United States of America.

reply to post by maria_stardust


Yeah, there are a lot of very barbaric countries on this planet who do all kinds of crazy things to people for what ever reason their oppresive governments come up with. The more people who denounce these barbaric actions by these countries, the more likely we will be in eliminating these barbaric practices.

Whether a country is killing people for protesting for their rights, or caning someone for spitting gum on the sidewalk, or putting them in jail for having sex on the beach, the actions should be denounced.

reply to post by poet1b


The bottom line is she flaunted and broke the laws of a foreign country, and she wasn't even discreet about it. Having sex on a public beach where moral codes are the norm, isn't quite the same as spitting gum on the sidewalk in Singapore.

Her case has sparked a storm of controversy among the many other British ex-pats living in Dubai,
...most of whom are incredulous at the prospect of anyone allegedly committing such a brazen breach of its laws

ITP, which employs some 600 staff representing over 20 nationalities in its Dubai-based operations, expects its staff to behave appropriately and properly in a manner consistent with the moral and cultural values of the society in which we all live and work.

'To this end the company gives its staff clear guidance regarding what is and what is not acceptable in the UAE environment when they join the company. Following an internal review of this incident, the company has dismissed Ms. Palmer.'

www.dailymail.co.uk...

So both standard public policies and company policies state what is considered inappropriate.

NO EXCUSE..!!!..

.........

On that I'll tell you something for free..
Co-habitation,unmarried,homosexuality,prostitution,drugs..(and skinny dipping/smooching) ..

..are ALL practised in Dubai with widespread common knowledge of locals,police,government and ex-patriots..
So don't try and say it is a close-minded oppressive society..

These 'lifestyles' are accepted to a limited degree..only when flaunted in obvious public view do the authorities feel compelled to act.

C.I.D frequently do 'spot raids' on establishments to curb public drunkeness.under age drinking and prostitution..

AND it works.. Even though it is 'Party-Central' it's public image is still kept clean and family friendly .

I personally see no reason to change any of that to keep a few 'self appointed elitists' happy.

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reply to post by poet1b


sorry, but everyone knows Dubai is a serious country about their image. Poppy seeds are illegal there.
You learn the laws of a country before you visit, and you are a good tourist and you respect them.

I will respect people here from other nations who want me to take my shoes off at the door. np

If I were to visit a country that say, doesn't allow you to wear purple, I would not wear purple.

Besides, you are setting your self up as a tourist and making yourself a target for thieves and scandals.

If you really want to experience a culture, follow their rules.

i wonder if she had one of those HOT dubai swimsuits...

not too long ago when i found out dubai even existed i was fascinated with the idea...definitely want to go there one day

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