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In a written statement under oath presented on Monday, Ben Barnes, a former speaker of the Texas state legislature, said that in 1968 he asked the head of the Texan Air National Guard, General James Rose, to give the young Mr Bush a place on a pilot-training programme, automatically excusing him from the draft.
During his answer to my debate question in 1994, Mr. Bush said he could have been called up for duty in Vietnam. He had to know that was not true, either. On his Guard application, the future president checked a box saying he did "not" want to be considered for overseas deployment. Additionally, he was hundreds of hours short of flight time required for foreign duty, and the aircraft he flew, the F-102 was no longer being used in Southeast Asia.
After being rejected once, Mr. Bush reapplied and was granted a transfer to a Guard unit in Montgomery, Alabama. But he never showed up for duty. Instead, he spent his days working on a U.S. Senate campaign for a family friend. During his own presidential campaign, Mr. Bush's staff showed reporters a tattered piece of paper, missing a last name, as proof he reported for duty in Alabama. But both the CO of the Alabama unit, and his administrative officer, said they have no record or memory of Mr. Bush showing up. Not one of the approximately 700 men in the Alabama unit has ever stepped forward to say they remember Mr. Bush serving with them.
"Had he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not," Commander William Turnipseed said. "If we had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered."
Nonetheless, Mr. Bush maintained his flight status until 1972, when he failed to show up for a required physical. His campaign initially said he did not return to Houston because his family physician was unavailable to conduct the physical. When it was made clear such exams are given by military doctors, the campaign then explained that Mr. Bush did not take the physical because he had "decided" he would no longer fly. This is a unique approach to military service when the enlistee gets to "decide" his future duties.
The year Mr. Bush skipped his physical, 1972, was also the first year the Guard began to institute random drug testing procedures.
Mr. Bush was grounded, his flight status revoked, and a punishment order was signed posting him to civilian duty in Denver. No evidence has ever been presented that he showed up there, either.
As the presidential campaign planning began in Texas, Lieutenant Colonel Bill Burkett of the Texas Guard said he overheard orders from the Governor's office to "scrub" Mr. Bush's records. Burkett said he listened as Joe Allbaugh and Dan Bartlett, both of whom went to Washington with the president, told Major General Daniel James, commander of the Texas Guard, to "make sure there is nothing embarrassing in the governor's file." Burkett, who was chief advisor to General James, also said he was present when the records were surrendered for scrubbing.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
We have a whole different setup here in the USA as far as which languages are important to learn. SPANISH is. French is NOT.
Originally posted by biggie smalls
reply to post by Dronetek
In a written statement under oath presented on Monday, Ben Barnes, a former speaker of the Texas state legislature, said that in 1968 he asked the head of the Texan Air National Guard, General James Rose, to give the young Mr Bush a place on a pilot-training programme, automatically excusing him from the draft.
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During his answer to my debate question in 1994, Mr. Bush said he could have been called up for duty in Vietnam. He had to know that was not true, either. On his Guard application, the future president checked a box saying he did "not" want to be considered for overseas deployment. Additionally, he was hundreds of hours short of flight time required for foreign duty, and the aircraft he flew, the F-102 was no longer being used in Southeast Asia.
After being rejected once, Mr. Bush reapplied and was granted a transfer to a Guard unit in Montgomery, Alabama. But he never showed up for duty. Instead, he spent his days working on a U.S. Senate campaign for a family friend. During his own presidential campaign, Mr. Bush's staff showed reporters a tattered piece of paper, missing a last name, as proof he reported for duty in Alabama. But both the CO of the Alabama unit, and his administrative officer, said they have no record or memory of Mr. Bush showing up. Not one of the approximately 700 men in the Alabama unit has ever stepped forward to say they remember Mr. Bush serving with them.
"Had he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not," Commander William Turnipseed said. "If we had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered."
Nonetheless, Mr. Bush maintained his flight status until 1972, when he failed to show up for a required physical. His campaign initially said he did not return to Houston because his family physician was unavailable to conduct the physical. When it was made clear such exams are given by military doctors, the campaign then explained that Mr. Bush did not take the physical because he had "decided" he would no longer fly. This is a unique approach to military service when the enlistee gets to "decide" his future duties.
The year Mr. Bush skipped his physical, 1972, was also the first year the Guard began to institute random drug testing procedures.
Mr. Bush was grounded, his flight status revoked, and a punishment order was signed posting him to civilian duty in Denver. No evidence has ever been presented that he showed up there, either.
As the presidential campaign planning began in Texas, Lieutenant Colonel Bill Burkett of the Texas Guard said he overheard orders from the Governor's office to "scrub" Mr. Bush's records. Burkett said he listened as Joe Allbaugh and Dan Bartlett, both of whom went to Washington with the president, told Major General Daniel James, commander of the Texas Guard, to "make sure there is nothing embarrassing in the governor's file." Burkett, who was chief advisor to General James, also said he was present when the records were surrendered for scrubbing.
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Bush is a draft dodger
I apologize flyersfan for derailing a perfectly good bash-obama thread. Carry on with your mud-slinging, its really great to keep up the partisan bickering.
Originally posted by CaptGizmo
reply to post by SKMDC1
Then as a presidential candidate he should choose his words more carefully.Perhaps he should have said "I am embarrassed that we and myself included"
Originally posted by Dronetek
He was never drafted. Do you even know what a draft dodger is? I'll give you a clue, you have to be drafted! Christ you're dense.
[edit on 9-7-2008 by Dronetek]
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
The people along the northern border and in Louisiana would probably disagree with you.
Originally posted by Dronetek
He was never drafted.
- What if my kid doesn’t want to learn Spanish? (she does … and is). English is the official language of this country and is ‘THE” international language (not French). She shouldn’t have to learn it if she doesn’t want to.
I see nothing in there that says "white people are racist" or any derivative of the sort.
But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, you know, there’s a reaction that’s been bred in our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that’s just the nature of race in our society.
No where in there does he say anything about "white people". If you are INSINUATING that Obama is talking about White people, because he's talking about Pennsylvanians, then you are making the bigoted claim that only white people live in Pennsylvania. You dont want to be a bigot, do you?
But you take his quote out of context so bad, and add your own words, and leave out words that defeat your cause, to such a bigoted level, it must put shame and red blush on the cheeks of any intelligent conservative minded person anywhere.
He makes no mention of skin color....but you do?
John McCain calls himself the underdog. I will simply point out, for reasons you might consider apparent, that I am the underdog,” Obama said.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Dronetek
He was never drafted.
He was never drafted and therefore was never a draft dodger. Technically thats very true. However, some think that having your daddy get you out of combat service counts as 'dodging a draft'. I think the term 'dodged combat' would be much more accurate.
Not 'draft dodger'.
But 'combat dodger'.
Originally posted by Alexander_Supertramp
We have a majority of English speakers, yes, but no 'official' language.
Originally posted by Dronetek
He signed up for the express purpose of combat in Vietnam!
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Alexander_Supertramp
We have a majority of English speakers, yes, but no 'official' language.
This thread discussed a bunch of that. What is official and what isn't. It's an old thread. But it still has some info on it.
Originally posted by Dronetek
He signed up for the express purpose of combat in Vietnam!
If he REALLY wanted to see combat I'm sure they would have sent him there - IMHO.
He signed up. He didn't dodge the draft. He dodged the combat.
The strings were pulled so he wouldn't have to go to war.
He followed the rules and laws of the land by going into the military.
So nothing illegal was done. But it WAS combat dodging.
Originally posted by jam321
didn't Obama vote against making English the official language of the United States? I'm pretty sure I saw that somewhere when I was researching his record. I could be wrong.
Originally posted by Dronetek
Hes saying that shes scared of black men (an assumption) and than he applies that to all white people with the "typical white" person comment.
Translation: White people are scared of non-whites.
Yeah, thats why the media kept saying he was "courting the middle class white vote in Pennsylvanian". Why are you defending what is obviously stereotypes? Why is he painting an entire culture as "bitter"?
You cannot give me one suitable comment about the underdog issue, you point to mccain