40 'Smoking Guns' Collectively Proving That 9/11 Was An Inside Job

reply to post by azzllin


Yes we have 2 types of people that support the 9/11 fantasy, those that accept at face value every government explanation about 9/11. Because governments never lie to their people, type of thinking. So Naive Delusional Denists OR paid government disinfo agents.

These people like yogurt and swamp the capt they are in one or the other catagory. I don't know which one but the result is the same, by coming to the 9/11 boards they are a small vocal minority that make themsleves suckers for punishment.

I actually take consistent posts on this board that are always "yup the government story is 100% right on 9/11 as a form trolling, but the MODS don't see it that way I guess.

If we had just few descrepencies about 9/11 then ok, but to deny so many oddities to sooth the mind is pure denial.

But I guess that can happen to anybody, I don't mind people being in denial, just don't be so dogmatic about it.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Mr Griffen is really grasping at straws I see.

Complete and total ignorance shown here. Appearantly, Mr Griffen is completely unaware that it was the damage AND the fire that caused the buildings to collapse. The south tower, suffered from far greater stresses due to the angle of impact, and the position of the impact. There was a hell of a lot more weight being supported by the damaged area on the south tower as opposed to the north tower.

Unless you have some kind of engineering/structural architecture background and have reviewed the original blueprints and structural documents, you are stating an opinion that the towers fell due to impacts and fires, an opinion that NIST published but fell short of showing there work with how they came to that conclusion. Perhaps you have forgotten, but the south tower was impacted at an angle on the corner of the building, so much less likely to have damaged the core columns on impact and/or allowed jet fuel to reach them.

More ignorance. Several hundred steelworkers used torches to cut the debris into managable sections. Unless you are dumb enough to believe that somehow the bad guys managed to plant explosives every 15 feet of the 1,300 feet of the towers in a single 36 hour period.

The pieces were more like 30 ft long and why do you believe that they would have only had a single 36 hour period to rig up whatever means they may have used to demolish the buildings?

Gee lets see, FDNY had watched two buildings collapse from damage and fire, entombing over 300 of their brothers....and then they were staring at another heavily damaged, heavily burning building and they figured it was probably going to collapse too.....I wont even bother to address the "pull it" comment, because that has been discussed more than once on ATS.

You aren't going to address the "pull it" comment because it can't be debunked. Seeing as Silverstein said pull 'it" and not 'them' and 'pull it' was a verified demolition term from a professional demo company. Furthermore, there is no photographic or video evidence showing a heavily damaged and heavily burning building. Unless you are talking about ThroatYogurt's thread on the 'massive' fires which turned out to be pretty isolated fires compared to fires that really fully envolved steel framed buildings that didn't collapse.

Quick? Eight months is quick? Not to mention that dozens of engineers spent months examining the steel at the landfills it was taken to.

Do you have any proof to back this up? Seeing how there is a thread just a few pages down the board that shows the government admitting they didn't examine the steel, as well as NIST admitting they didn't save any steel from wtc7.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
Yes we have 2 types of people that support the 9/11 fantasy, those that accept at face value every government explanation about 9/11. Because governments never lie to their people, type of thinking. So Naive Delusional Denists OR paid government disinfo agents.

I can not speak for swampfox, but i have never stated that the government does not lie.

I did not go to the "government" explanation about 911. I went with what I saw with my own eyes. I looked at news footage. I watched interviews. I read books, spoke with victims families, consulted engineers, scientists, etc. I didn't need the 911 report to tell me what happened.

Sorry, I don't fall into either one of your stereotypes.

they are a small vocal minority that make themsleves suckers for punishment.

We bring what is lacking from you. FACTS

I actually take consistent posts on this board that are always "yup the government story is 100% right on 9/11 as a form trolling, but the MODS don't see it that way I guess.

Show me one.

If we had just few descrepencies about 9/11 then ok, but to deny so many oddities to sooth the mind is pure denial.

But I guess that can happen to anybody, I don't mind people being in denial, just don't be so dogmatic about it.

Show me where any denial is not backed up with evidence. (my posts)

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

Spacevisitor,

Perhaps you can provide proof that any of these 40 points have NOT been debunked. I believe page one of this thread does a pretty good job of dismantling them.

ThroatYogurt,

I take for example point, 17.

17. The fact that photographs show that there were no remains of a large airliner in front of the crash site, even though, given that the small entrance hole, not all of a Boeing 757 could have gone inside.

This is in my humble opinion no way debunked because it is humanly impossible to debunk; this is not a “Smoking gun” but if you look to it seriously and scientifically it is in fact a “Smoking cannon”.
How in all your infinite wisdom do/can you accept or could/can you explain to me that a Boeing 757, and especially the wings, engines and tale of it could penetrate and completely disappear through a reinforced concrete wall [in this case the pentagon wall] and leaving none clearly visible evidence/crash marks or whatever on the outside wall of that building in comparing the clearly visible damage of the plains that hit the Twin towers of course.

Originally posted by spacevisitor
ThroatYogurt,

I take for example point, 17.

The fact that photographs show that there were no remains of a large airliner in front of the crash site, even though, given that the small entrance hole, not all of a Boeing 757 could have gone inside.

But there were. To say there were "no remains" is not accurate. There are several photographs that show this. There are also many first responders accounts to support the photographic evidence.

You go on to say there were no marks. There were. Many times over there have been photographs showing this. If you would like I will post a photograph for you.

Thanks,

:TY:

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
If you would like I will post a photograph for you.

Please do, I sorely will look at them and give you my opinon after that.

Thanks.

reply to post by spacevisitor


Here are some debris photos:















I will show some Pentagon Damage Photos on my next post.

Just a couple here... I can't find the one I was hoping to have.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Here are some debris photos:

Thanks so far, you must give me some time to study them closely of course.
Do you know by the way some credible pentagon eyewitnesses?

reply to post by spacevisitor


Space,

I'm not sure what you mean as credible. So many around here have so many opinions as to what is credible.

I will however post many witness statements / interviews. give me a few minutes.

Thank you,

:TY:

Space:

Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, the 6'2" Vietnam Veteran looked up, directly into the right engine of a 757 commercial airliner cresting the hilltop Navy Annex. It reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine. "Had I not hit the deck, the plane would have taken off my head."

www.moaa.org...

"When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

'It was the worst thing you can imagine,' said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. 'I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside.'

/kth3m

"I did see airplane seats and a corpse still strapped to one of the seats."
–Capt. Jim Ingledue, Virginia Beach Fire Dept.

www.rense.com...

C130 Pilot Steve O'brien:



Some first person Accounts:

www.ratical.org...

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Thank You for your intelligent replies. This stuff is so ridiculous it makes me laugh. I just don't have the time to go over everything, but I don't have to because you already did for us.

Again thanks!

Most of the rest of you are too busy comparing the size of your manhood and how much you know about the AF and procedures, than finding anything like the truth

Umm, no, really do not worry about the size of my manhood compared to others.

You castigate us for trying to point out Air Force/Air National Guard procedures in relation to air defense threats (a very VALID subject in regards to 9/11) and then you say we arent concerned about the truth? Either you have a serious reading comprehension issue or you are too blinded by...something...to understand that knowing the procedures (as opposed to the BS posted by goldielocks et al) IS about the truth. So excuuuuuuse me for wanting to point out the truth.

Fact is there are so many inconsistencies in the official explanations that raise issue with facts, but as i said you are too busy waving your manhoods around rather than trying to find the truth

No, there are too many inconsistencies in what conspiracy theorists THINK happened. Then again, maybe if they would listen to some of us that...were there....so to speak instead of Alex Jones et al, they might LEARN something.

(and again...concern about my manhood? Sorry, but I will stick with women)

one poster claimed that the hole in the pentagon even though it is smaller than a 757 its only by a small amount?? WHAT? ever heard of the trouble people have trying to get a object bigger than a hole into the hole? square peg round hole? ring a bell? you cant have a hole smaller than the object that made it.. IMPOSSIBLE

Okay fine, go back to the men and women that were there that day and in the days following, maybe examine the photos taken. The "hole" was approximately 94ish feet by itself and each wingtip (actually about 10-14 feet of the wing) left its imprint on the outside of the building. Altogether, the hole and impact marks pretty much MATCH the dimensions of a 757. But then again, you seem to be too concerned about our equipment to learn anyway.....

I can honestly put my hand on my heart and say, as a person who has sifted through thread after thread, official reports, eye witness testimony, and any other kind of information about 9/11, i can see as plain as the nose on my face, that something is seriously wrong with the whole official explanation, something does not add up, you can see the lies just by comparing reports, testimonies, and explanations

Yes, everyone has PERFECT memory recall. That doesnt happen, ever. In ANY event, you take 100 people and you are going to have 100 stories that differ in the details.

As for the nose on your face, I would suggest an eye doctor appointment, might be time for bifocals.

Its not really about a F16, with an anti matter turbo charged water engine which gets ya rocks off because you have sniffed the after burner, its not about i was on those bases at the time changing the change in the slot machines in the engineers bar, or i know everything about the Air force because i can read and write and everything, because i can tell you not even the AF knows everything about the AF, which is shown every day on ATS

When someone uses lies from Alex Jones to try to bolster their goofy theories about shoot downs, then YES it does become about F-16s or air alert procedures. Or when someone is a member of an F-16 unit that DID put planes in the air that day, yes, their words deserve to be posted. Or when someone's buddy spends three days in a hospital for wounds suffered when a 757 slammed into his office, yes, those deserve to be posted to.

Its about the victims, and that includes every single person here

Yes it is about the victims. Especially those on Flight 93 that fought back. All this BS about a shoot down only sullies their memory.

While there is one single unanswered question about 9/11, the fight for the truth has to go on, and any self respecting American patriot would agree, you have to have the answers to stop it ever happening again, anywhere

If only you really believed that. Sorry, but you are like the Democrats in Florida in 2000. No matter how many times the "evidence" was counted, their guy lost, but they would want to continue counting, because they "knew" their guy had won.

No matter how much evidence piles up, no matter how many witnesses come forward, you are convinced that the US government planned the attacks and you will keep on your "quest for truth" until you have your "truth"....which means one day, (many years in the future I do hope) that your obituary will state that you want your loved ones to continue the quest for the truth of what happened on 9/11.

ThroatJizz,

Childish beyond words.....but expected from GF.

Yes we have 2 types of people that support the 9/11 fantasy, those that accept at face value every government explanation about 9/11. Because governments never lie to their people, type of thinking. So Naive Delusional Denists OR paid government disinfo agents

Sorry, my feet are firmly on the ground and rooted in reality. The only paychecks I get from the government are for maintaining F-16s.

These people like yogurt and swamp the capt they are in one or the other catagory. I don't know which one but the result is the same, by coming to the 9/11 boards they are a small vocal minority that make themsleves suckers for punishment

Punishment? By words posted on the Internet? Thanks for the laughs. By the way, as long as clueless people like you continue to believe the conspiracy kings.....I will still be here to point out how wrong you are.

If we had just few descrepencies about 9/11 then ok, but to deny so many oddities to sooth the mind is pure denial.

Proof of the above.....not as many oddities as you think...provided you actually want to learn the truth.

I can not speak for swampfox, but i have never stated that the government does not lie

I can speak for Swampfox, I know better than to believe everything I hear from my elected officials...especially the ones in the jack--- party.

Thank You for your intelligent replies. This stuff is so ridiculous it makes me laugh. I just don't have the time to go over everything, but I don't have to because you already did for us

You are welcome.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

Golden,

Where is the proof that 911 was an inside job?? You posted 40 "smoking guns" that have been hashed over so many times in here. They have all been debunked as well.

can you please tell me where to find this "debunking" I think alot of people would really like to see that. everythnig stated above has been debunked? please please please provide that proof.

Originally posted by re22666

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

Golden,

Where is the proof that 911 was an inside job?? You posted 40 "smoking guns" that have been hashed over so many times in here. They have all been debunked as well.

can you please tell me where to find this "debunking" I think alot of people would really like to see that. everythnig stated above has been debunked? please please please provide that proof.

Well, first read the whole thread. Then start going through all the posts on the board and check that websites, publications that are sourced therein.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

Originally posted by re22666

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

Golden,

Where is the proof that 911 was an inside job?? You posted 40 "smoking guns" that have been hashed over so many times in here. They have all been debunked as well.

can you please tell me where to find this "debunking" I think alot of people would really like to see that. everythnig stated above has been debunked? please please please provide that proof.

Well, first read the whole thread. Then start going through all the posts on the board and check that websites, publications that are sourced therein.

yeah thanks for telling me to look in over in the haystack for the needle i asked about. It was definitively stated that all 40 smoking guns have been completely debunked. where is ANY of that debunking? i do not mean posts that present an argument that you or throat yogurt like. where is the dubunking of all 40 smoking guns? where? and please, dont bother if your answer is going to be "look over here, there, in that stuff, these things, some other stuff, and all those places." thanks for nothing hannity

reply to post by re22666


PAGE 1 of this THREAD.

NO needle NO haystack.

SwampFox thoroughly dismantled them.

IF you click above where is says 40 'Smoking Guns' Collectively....

That will take you to page one. Have at it.

If your are still confused by the facts that he presents, I am sure he will be more than happy to assist you.

[edit on 13-7-2008 by ThroatYogurt]

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by re22666

 

PAGE 1 of this THREAD.

NO needle NO haystack.

SwampFox thoroughly dismantled them.

IF you click above where is says 40 'Smoking Guns' Collectively....

That will take you to page one. Have at it.

If your are still confused by the facts that he presents, I am sure he will be more than happy to assist you.

[edit on 13-7-2008 by ThroatYogurt]

LOL, i give up on you. first of all, it is not even a complete list so it does "dismantle" every one of them. It does not even address everyone. Second of all, there is no debunkng, no proof there. it is just another poster repeating talking points that fall apart under real scrutiny. such as thngs like - "fell due to structural damage." ok, what damage exactly, i would expect and engineer grade explanation of the exact structural damage and how it brought these buildings down in the fashion it did. just saying it is as empty as anything you have said so far. so again i ask, where is this debunking, and again i state, i do not mean just some guys postings of crap he heard from fox news. back it up, link me to the docs, videos, testimonies, reports, anything that back up the debunking of all 40 smoking guns. thats all im asking for.

Pick a Smoking Gun sir... I will do my best to provide you with as much information I have on the subject.

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


here are more..

www.oilempire.us...

and a good site for alternative arguments..

debunking911.com...

at least you don't have to deal with ultima1 on this thread.. yet..