Beaumont, CA Lockheed

a reply to: windword

I have researched all about that place. Very interesting. Mainly researched it because it lies directly below Potrero canyon where Lockheed's old site resides

a reply to: Arrow94

Yep. That's why I mentioned it.

Maybe a coincidence.....I kinda doubt it though.

a reply to: Arrow94
Arrow94,
Here are some useful GPS coordinates I found on Google earth to help us navigate the vast Lockheed Beaumont Potrero 9,100 acre site:
Entrance from Highland Springs Avenue (locked gate) at 33.888366, -116.933608

Proceed thru gate about 1.25 miles south to a fork in the road at 33.872637, -116.933191

keep left and procede south east on the trail skirting the rocky hills to the east for about 1.25 miles to the huge grey colored pile of debris at 33.851427, -116.926419

Continue south on the road about 150 yards to the MWD Potrero Shaft. 20' x 20' concrete foundation with parallel white stripes and a round hatch entrance at 33.848132, -116.927032

Enter these coordinates on Google Earth and see these places come up on the screen.

Rich

a reply to: Arrow94

Hey Arrow94
I found this interesting 100' x 150' flat area, scraped off the top of a hill, at 33.846956, -116.985878. Copy and paste these coordinates onto Google Maps search bar to find it.

This is definitely on the Lockheed Beaumont Potrero Site just above the Scientology Headquarters on Gilman Springs Rd below. One cannot see Scientology site from there. The boundaries of the Potrero site can be seen on Google maps.

I will refer to this place as the "The Look Out" and the elevation is 2560' on top of a tall steep hill.
One can see most of the Lockheed Propulsion Company,Beaumont, Potrero rocket test facility from there.

You will also notice a 20' diameter circular object up on the hill adjacent to the lookout.
Is it a water storage tank?
Why would one put a water tank way up there away from everything?
It would be a nice place to build a home with a view, but since the State of California owns it, its not likely.
Or do you think there was a water tank there for a structure that has been removed?
Maybe there was a fire lookout and security check point there?
Personally I do not think it is an air shaft to secret underground facility.
Hmm, it makes me wonder, what that hill top was used for?

This scraped off site and white circle are obvious from the air; nobody is trying to camouflage it and therefore it is probably not secret. The trail going up to the circle is overgrown, no fresh tire marks from dirt bikes or jeeps; so nobody has been there for a long time.

There is another image about 3' square down by the road to the lookout. Is this the cover for a pump for a water well? Most well covers are bigger than 3' square to house the pump and motor. Also, there are no power poles running up to that point, so the pump would have to be gas or diesel. Need a lot more room for that kind of equipment to be housed than a 3' square. Hmm, it makes me wonder? What could be in that 3' square box?

MAYBE WE NEED SOMEONE TO GO UP THERE AND TAKE PICTURES AND POST THEM FOR ALL OF US ATS FANS TO SEE ?

I sold land out in that area for 10 years. I have seen them drill wells and when they drill a well, they leave a pile of debris they drilled up. I don't see any well debris here do you?

I do not think it is a well and water storage tank because wells are usually drilled down at the bottom of a hill closer to the water table. It is really expensive to drill a well down to the water table from the top of a 2500 ft hill. What do you think it is?
Rich

a reply to: Arrow94

Arrow94,
Regarding Lockheed Beaumont and surrounding area:
Check this out, the circular object has a twin way back in the wilderness at 33.830759, -116.917842
This one is also white and exactly the same size, about 20' diameter. This one is completely flush with the ground.
It Is on a maintained dirt road to the communication towers overlooking San Jacinto. (wow, those are a big facilities up there).
No well, or pump nearby.
No well drilling debris nearby.
No windmills or cattle watering troughs nearby.
Not a place for range cattle or farming.
No electric poles in vicinity.
No view of anything because this one is in a canyon.

They look like water tanks, but water tanks in these places don't make sense.

I am clueless.
Rich

a reply to: richpowers

Lockeed Beaumont
The East Portal: MWD San Jacinto Tunnel runs from Cabazon, near Broadway St & Esparanza Ave at 33.893743, -116.792458
The tunnel cuts through San Jacinto mountain and comes out at
The West Portal on Soboba Springs Rd west of the Soboba Indian Reservation Gambling Casino at 33.893743, -116.792458

Post these Portals on Google Maps to make stars and then draw a straight line between the two ends of the tunnel.
What objects in the mountains are directly over the tunnel.
We know the Potrero shaft is over the tunnel at 33.848136, -116.927031 so now we have three points.
Are any of those round white objects over the rout of the San Jacinto Tunnel?

Come on guys, throw me a bone here! What is going on with these white circles?
Rich

a reply to: Arrow94

Hey Arrow94,
Check out this tasty tidbit on YOUTUBE:
Climbing Rocket Pad At Lockheed Martin Beaumont, CA

Inquiring minds want to know
Rich

a reply to: windword

Arrow94,
You are the kind of guy that likes to know the facts, so here are some by Tetra Tech Report: Lockheed Martin Beaumont (Revised 2010)

LPC = Lockheed Propulsion Company

2.2.1 Lockheed Operations (1960-1974)
From 1960 and continuing until 1974, the Site was used by LPC. LPC became an operating
division of LAC in 1963 and was responsible for the operation of the Site until its closure in 1974.
LPC operations included solid rocket propellant production and testing, rocket motor and weapons
testing, and ballistics tests. Aerojet leased portions of the Site for ammunition research and
development (R&D) from the mid-1960s to 1974. (Tetra Tech, March 2003). Activities at the Site
included rocket motor production (mixing of solid rocket fuel, curing of solid rocket fuel, and
testing of solid rocket fuel motors); ballistics testing; and destruction of process chemicals and
waste rocket propellants in open burn pits (Tetra Tech, March 2003). In 1970, LMC began
offering their test services to outside parties and leased property to Aerojet Corporation (Aerojet)
and allowed General Dynamics to conduct testing on several occasions (Radian, 1986).

2.2.2 Non-Lockheed Operations
LMC leased portions of the Site to several outside parties for use in various activities. The
International Union of Operating Engineers (IUOE) utilized the Site from 1971 through 1991 for
surveying and heavy equipment training. The main office of the IUOE was formerly located
within Bunker 304 of Historical Operational Area F (LPC Test Services Area). The IUOE had
approximately 75 to 100 pieces of heavy equipment on-site, including a rock crusher, for road
building and other purposes (e.g., grading operations and landscaping). Additionally, IUOE
operated an underground fuel storage tank. Based on interviews, degreasing of the IUOE
equipment was reportedly conducted by steam cleaning with no solvent usage. The IUOE
earth-moving activities involved maintaining roads and reshaping various parts of the Site,
primarily within Historical Operational Areas F and G (Tetra Tech, March 2003).

A portion of the Site was also leased by a farmer who utilized a number of areas for sheep grazing
and dry-land farming. Most level areas throughout the Site, including the Burn Pit Area (BPA) and
the LPC and Aerojet test ranges, were planted with barley. Planting activities were preceded by
mechanical cultivation of the soil to depths of approximately 1 foot (Tetra Tech, March 2003).

On several occasions, General Dynamics utilized Historical Operational Area B [Rocket Motor
Production Area (RMPA)] for testing activities. In 1983, General Dynamics conducted a test of
the Viper bazooka by firing rounds comprised of a 2.7-inch rocket motor, explosives, and shaped Revised
Tetra Tech Beaumont Site (Site 1) 2010 Summary Remedial Investigation Report Page 2-4
charges toward steel targets in Historical Operational Area B. Only shrapnel remained from this
test. General Dynamics also fired 20 millimeter (mm) and 30mm Phalanx Gatling guns from north
to south toward a berm that was built near the former short-range attack missile (SRAM) motor
washout area. Only practice rounds were used during this activity (Tetra Tech, March 2003).

Structural Composites used the steep terrain of the Site for vehicle rollover tests on a number of
occasions. Structural Composites also conducted heat and puncture tests on pressurized fiberglass
and plastic reinforced cylinders. The tests involved shooting a single 30-caliber round at the
cylinders and recording the result. (Tetra Tech, March 2003)

2.2.3 Land Use After Lockheed
The Site is vacant and is generally characterized by hilly topography with associated drainages and
valley bottom areas. Improvements at the Site include, but are not limited to, several abandoned
buildings and bunkers in varying states of deterioration, paved roads, and several concrete
foundations from removed structures, inactive/disabled test stands and pads, and revetments. A
mobile trailer and an inoperable groundwater treatment system are still present on the Site.
Currently, the site is inactive except for ongoing investigation activities. The State of California
purchased 8,552 acres of the Site in December 2003, and it is being managed by the California
Department of Fish and Game (CDFG) as part of San Jacinto Wildlife Area. LMC owns the
remaining 565 acres within the conservation easement (Figure 2-2).

Now, there is some food for thought.
Rich

a reply to: richpowers
Hi there rich. I believe alot of those are storage tanks. The map of lockheed says tanks but doesnt say what for. I would assume higher up ones would be for water storage to gravity feed for facilitys. The ground tanks probably for fuel storage for transport vehichles. Some could possibly also be used for chemical storage although i would assume chemical storage was done in the bunkers.
That flat spot could possibly be a lookout point of the site. I recall reading of a flat spot high up specifically used for observing rocket launch tests and such.

a reply to: windword

Arrow94

Lockheed has a 260 page document on line about Potrero Creek Beaumont, California, site.

It has maps of where everything is:

Radioactive materials were dumped into a canyon shown on this map

Betatron building, biggest x-ray machine in the west, to x-ray rockets for cracks

The propellant mixing stations

Personnel protection bunkers

rocket test stands

airplane landing strip

heliport & hanger

gattling gun test area

Mac Donnalds (NOT)

Here is the website:

www.lockheedmartin.com...

inquiring minds want to know, don't you?
Rich

a reply to: richpowers

What about Laborde Canyon, Lockheed, Beaumont, Site 2 ?

Any good maps with buildings and descriptions and uses?

IT'S YOUR LUCKY DAY, ATS FANS:

www.lockheedmartin.com...

250 pages of info about Laborde Lockheed test site:

the final assembly factory

the small bunker

the large bunker

the prism

rocket test bays 1 - 3

the centrifuge

the conditioning chambers

detailed maps

USGS topo maps even show the gas pipeline crossing Jack Rabbit Trail

Howard Hughes long lost will (NOT)

Are you SATISFIED?
Rich

a reply to: richpowers

I looked over that map very closely and know where alot of the stuff is. There are a few odds and ins i havent explored. And some stuff that i believe has been removed/torn down.

The radioactive site contained low lever radioactive waste but was located and removed from the property.

The landfill contained basic trash like wood steel scrap, plastic and paper. The landfill items were not removed to my knowledge leaving the possibility of finding spent rocket motor casings with some digging.

The bunker that remains locked and powered up is the propellant mixing control bunker. Wonder what kind of stuff is still in there.

a reply to: Arrow94

Arrow94,
Good research! I want to see it in person some day!

What is in the old bunker Lockheed used to control the fuel mixing plant?
Hmm, Arrow94, check out Figure 2-2 of that document you are referring to Lockheed Beaumont Potrero Creek, Site 1, Revised (2010).

Fig 2-2 is a map of the 9,100 acre site 1, and shows the approx 500 acre conservation easement that that Lockheed did not sell (note the green boundary line). Lockheed owns this area for the purpose of monitoring for hazardous materials and remediating (removing bad stuff).
Notice the structures inside the green boundary are very likely to cause contamination. There you see the rocket fuel mixing plant, and the Burn Site, where contaminated rocket fuel was burned. According to this report, contaminants were removed from the soil, but some got into the ground water.

In my humble opinion, Lockheed, may be using that Bunker for instruments used to test the ground water from test wells for contamination. If I remember correctly, I think the report states that Lockheed will continue testing the water in test wells for contaminants for many more years.

According to this report, State of California, Dept of Fish and Game, made Lockheed Martin clean up the 8,600 acres before they purchased it. Therefore, the site is pretty clean, but I would not drink any water from there. I would bring in my own water.
Rich

a reply to: richpowers

I thought about the idea of that bunker being used for water decontamination as well, except i dont understand why they would us an old 300 gallon propellant mix tank to try to clean water. There are wells all around the property for the purpose of monitoring water and chemical levels.

Im thinking the original control equipment may still be in there along with some chemicals or something.


Also, as far as i know the water is "safe"
Although i wouldnt drink it unless there wasnt an option

a reply to: Arrow94

Hey Arrow94,

Thanks for the trip to Lockheed Beaumont, Potrero Site 1.

How do I post these nifty photos of the propellant mixing plant and the mixing control bunker?

Rich

a reply to: richpowers

Wow this is amazing.

So me and my friend where riding our dirt bikes out in the hills of Beaumont today. We went to highland springs and where trail riding/exploring in that general area. We come across what seemed to be a fairly large valley with a large wash in the middle, we then proceed to navigate through the wash and climb up the wall on the other side ( I don't see how any other type of vehicle could make it through there other than dirt bikes like ours). Once we get to the other side there are yellow signs every 100 feet or so for what seemed like miles. The signs read "CAUTION possible munitions present" or something like that. (im guessing this is or is close to petrero canyon?) Needless to say we where stunned, neither him nor I have every heard about the testing that went on in that area. As soon as I got home I hopped on the computer for some research and here I am. Would love to get a grand tour from you guys sometime, im extremely interested in the area!

Austin

originally posted by: richpowers
a reply to: Arrow94

Hey Arrow94,

Thanks for the trip to Lockheed Beaumont, Potrero Site 1.

How do I post these nifty photos of the propellant mixing plant and the mixing control bunker?

Rich

ATS can host images, but the interface is tricky. I suggest just getting a flickr, instagram, imgur, whatever account and put the links here. If you have a yahoo account, in theory you already have a flickr account. I'm not a big fan of flickr, but it could be the path of least resistance.

Now I'll go back to lurking, but I will say I like this thread a lot. Often in the middle of nowhere you find a slab of cement or some ruins and it is interesting to figure out what it was used for. Generally buildings get knocked down in clean ups, but removing a foundation is a lot of work, hence the landmarks with clues to the past.

The ground water in the area is contaminated with perchlorates and the solvent trichloroethylene.

There is also PCB contamination 1,1,1-trichloroethane (1,1,1-TCA); 1,4-dioxane;

groups.google.com...#!topic/alt.religion.scientology/YPDuRbfqbYI

originally posted by: ANNED
The ground water in the area is contaminated with perchlorates and the solvent trichloroethylene.

There is also PCB contamination 1,1,1-trichloroethane (1,1,1-TCA); 1,4-dioxane;

groups.google.com...#!topic/alt.religion.scientology/YPDuRbfqbYI

alt.religion.scientology?
Hmmm.... perhaps they should make the Koolaid with that groundwater.

originally posted by: Yz250
a reply to: richpowers

Wow this is amazing.

So me and my friend where riding our dirt bikes out in the hills of Beaumont today. We went to highland springs and where trail riding/exploring in that general area. We come across what seemed to be a fairly large valley with a large wash in the middle, we then proceed to navigate through the wash and climb up the wall on the other side ( I don't see how any other type of vehicle could make it through there other than dirt bikes like ours). Once we get to the other side there are yellow signs every 100 feet or so for what seemed like miles. The signs read "CAUTION possible munitions present" or something like that. (im guessing this is or is close to petrero canyon?) Needless to say we where stunned, neither him nor I have every heard about the testing that went on in that area. As soon as I got home I hopped on the computer for some research and here I am. Would love to get a grand tour from you guys sometime, im extremely interested in the area!

Austin

Hi there, yes that would be potrero canyon. That was test site 1 and the largest of the sites. Did you actually ride up that canyon wall? Must have been a lower grade where you guys came up. Most of it is too steep for any vehicle period.