Is Everything Spinning Out Of Control? AP

Is Everything Spinning Out Of Control? AP

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Midwestern levees are bursting. Polar bears are adrift. Gas prices are skyrocketing. Home values are abysmal. Air fares, college tuition and health care border on unaffordable. Wars without end rage in Iraq, Afghanistan and against terrorism.

Horatio Alger, twist in your grave.

The can-do, bootstrap approach embedded in the American psyche is under assault. Eroding it is a dour powerlessness that is chipping away at the country's sturdy conviction that destiny can be commanded with sheer courage and perseverance.

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Jeez, you know things are getting abyssmal when the Associated Press is putting out stories like this. It does seem quite a lot is hitting this world at once in recent times...

Residents of the nation's capital and its suburbs repeatedly lose power for extended periods as mere thunderstorms rumble through. In California, leaders warn people to use less water in the unrelenting drought.

Want to get away from it all? The weak U.S. dollar makes travel abroad forbiddingly expensive. To add insult to injury, some airlines now charge to check luggage.

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This is all part of the push to get America down. The richest people in the world are not americans and they seem to have targeted the US for consolidation. This means that the economy must go down, people must have a hard break, and companies must be sold off for nearly nothing. This is what the elites have always done, ruin economies for personal profits.

And in a way the American people went along with it, and are co-responsible, for had there not been such an exagerated militarism and such a willingness to take over the world the budget and the national debt would be far more manageable. There's some Karma to consider here.

Still, this is the information age, and money these days is just information, so it might be possible yet to sidestep the upcoming hardships and keep the country together. Best of luck.

that loosing electricity over mere thunderstorms is VERY true, i have been noticing this lately and was going to make a thread about it.

Cuz it really does deserve it's own thread

also, am i the only one where the power outs happen out of nothing and their internet loses connectivity even when it was the smallest of thunderstorms?

Ever say to urself, what the hell? i lost power over that small rain or thunderstorm? that was nothing!!! And thinking this for the last...... 6 months or so?

It is an interesting story because it is so un-news like. At almost any point you can find bad things to consolidate into a "national malaise." I think the midwest floods are what really pushed his into the theme of bad times.

Originally posted by Mainer
It is an interesting story because it is so un-news like. At almost any point you can find bad things to consolidate into a "national malaise." I think the midwest floods are what really pushed his into the theme of bad times.

No. A blind man can see that we have passed our "Golden Age".
I fear for the wrecked nation our Grandchildren will live in.

This stuff, the messes, comes in cycles. The biggest difference between past cycles of violence, crisis, and disaster and the current is the human population level.

The last big cycle was the era of the World Wars, the Influenza Pandemic, the Great Depression, and the collapse of almost every major empire on Earth (German, Russian, Ottoman, British, and Japanese). That was not that long ago and laid the groundwork for the Cold War, the Arab Israeli conflict and the War on Terror.

We are heading for another cycle like that. They seem to happen at least Every Century. Some times happening multiple times a century.

These events are just like Storms. Just as meterological imbalances create powerful storms; political, economic, and ecological factors can lead to an imbalance that creates massive crises in human history.

The best thing is to keep an eye on current events and understand the patterns of crises in human history.

When it really gets into motion, it will seem apocalyptic, just like every other cycle. The entire political, socio-economic landscape will be changed by the end of it and not always does it change for the better. We could easily see the last 400 years of liberalization and reforms swept away and replaced by fundamentalism, fascism, barbarism, and/or feudalism.

In fact historically humans seem to favor Totalitarian governments. .

Hey there Mainer it seems good to see someone else from Maine in here. I was born and raised there. But as for what is going on in this world there is a lot going on all at once. In fact just about 3 months ago there was a small earth quake in Maine that hasn't happened in over 70 years. So yes a lot of things are happening now, and I bet 10 to 1 there will be more to come before the next year gets here.

Thinking about thunder showers we are about ready to get one here in about 20 minutes. But I also have noticed that almost every thunder shower lately has had a warning with it of tornadoes, which is not normal. I can normally see about 3 - 7 per month through the summer for our area but not every one of them. And lately its every single one.

Yeah I think that things are getting worse, and yes there are tons of skeptics that will say no its the same as last year or any other year, but if you are any wheres near 40 years old think back 20 years ago and believe me there wasnt any wheres near this type of stuff going on.

Hilda

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
also, am i the only one where the power outs happen out of nothing and their internet loses connectivity even when it was the smallest of thunderstorms?

Ever say to urself, what the hell? i lost power over that small rain or thunderstorm? that was nothing!!! And thinking this for the last...... 6 months or so?

I've only had the internet go out, but think that's because the phone lines around here are crap. TVA is pretty good about keeping the power flowing. I don't think things are spinning out of control, I just think the media is paying it a lot of attention because people who are voting this fall need something to think about. Go back in time near any election period and you will see the same thing, especially when you have a lame duck...2000 anyone? "The world is ending, it's gone out of control, think of the food shortages *takes a bite out of a Whopper* and not having excess income *surfs the internet*...it's hell out there I tell yas!"

NO. EVERYTHING IS NOT MOVING OUT OF CONTROLL. WHAT GAVE YOU AN IDEA THAT THERE HAS BEEN CONTROLL? WE ARE SUCH SMALL BEINGS ON THIS PLANET IN THIS GALAXY IN THIS UNIVERSE THAT THERE WAS NEVER ANY CONTOLL, ONLY CHANGE. WE FEAR CHANGE BECAUSE WE ARE UNDER ITS CONTOLL BUT IT IS SIMPLY A TRANSITION AND WE ARE SUBJECT TO IT AS MUCH AS ANY THING ELSE. DONT'T FEAR ALL OF THIS, BUT DO TRY TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE NOT MAINTAINING THE PAST THAT WE CAN SEE IS CHANGING. LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE TO THE WAY THAT WE ARE SO USED TO LIVING. MAKE ROOM FOR ALL THAT NEED TO LEAVE THERE AREAS. CREATE NEW HABITATS AND WE WILL ADAPT AS WILL OTHER SPECIES.

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Originally posted by Zepherian
This is all part of the push to get America down. The richest people in the world are not americans and they seem to have targeted the US for consolidation. This means that the economy must go down, people must have a hard break, and companies must be sold off for nearly nothing. This is what the elites have always done, ruin economies for personal profits.

I really doubt this is the case. The american people and government brought it upon themselves. Americans have been spoiled to death for many decades. They want big homes, big cars, the best police, the best military, the best universities, the best everything......

Everything comes at a cost. It is easy to blame the elite for all our problems but this "theory" gets old after a while. We all need to take responsibility for our own actions first and then blame others if necessary.

The american government has the highest and most expensive beuracracy in the world . For example, why is there a need for redunant policing at the township level, county level, state level and then the federal leval? Surely, much more could be done with less. This is just one example, but I think we all get the point.

Not to mention the black budget which is rumored to be in the trillions! Where is this huge sum of money going to? Why all the secrecy??? People need to start asking questions and demand accountability for their hard earned tax money.

Then we have the war on terror, which has been greatly exaggerated at best and a total scam at worst. Two wars have been started and one which has absolutely no relevence to terror what-so-ever. How can Saddam be classified as a terrorist? Ruthless to his oppenents yes but not an al-queda terrorist by any stretch of the imagination. There has been zero evidence to suggest anything of the sort. Even Bin Laden himself called Saddam a "socialist dictator" in one of his alleged videos.

The afghani invasion I can partially accept since there was some evidence of training camps but what strikes me "funny" is why did america secretly fund and train the taliban and its radical al-queda branch two decades ago when they knew more-or-less that eventually it would backfire. It reminds me of when they secretly supported Iran but at the same time they overtly supported Iraq. Is the goal to create instability and then profit of the wars? Lots of double-dealing!

The way I see it is that everyone in america needs to get their act straight by reconsidiring the past and making better decisions for the future, if that is possible.

Originally posted by Zepherian
And in a way the American people went along with it, and are co-responsible, for had there not been such an exagerated militarism and such a willingness to take over the world the budget and the national debt would be far more manageable. There's some Karma to consider here.

Still, this is the information age, and money these days is just information, so it might be possible yet to sidestep the upcoming hardships and keep the country together. Best of luck.

Now your talking bussiness! It will be a hard and painfull experience for everyone, including non-americans because the world economies are intertwinned, but it is something that is long overdue and must be done to insure future prosperity and stability. Good luck!

Originally posted by hildar
Thinking about thunder showers we are about ready to get one here in about 20 minutes. But I also have noticed that almost every thunder shower lately has had a warning with it of tornadoes, which is not normal. I can normally see about 3 - 7 per month through the summer for our area but not every one of them. And lately its every single one.
Hilda

Yeah it is funny about that, very little rain here this year but when it has it has been ferocious. Filled up the tubs and sinks, thought for sure this would have been an outage, flickering but it passed.

Before I was saying it was odd because the news usually reports on items but does not try to create a national theme around those items. We get our understanding of what goes in the the nation from the news. They could very easily make it a national malaise by taking some bad happenings and chaining it into a national theme. I would just as soon not have AP make the news, just report it.

It has been well documented how I feel about this topic. It is all a cycle and whenever the cycle you live during takes a downturn it suddenly trumps every downturn that history has had as "the worst time ever!" purely because it's YOU that's experiencing it NOW. I will definitely admit that mother nature has been kicking us square in the nuts of late and she's picked a poor time to do it. However, at least we haven't had a massive quake like Chine, or a typhoon like Myanmar, or a war in our backyard like the Middle East, or a massive drug war with fully automatic gunfights in the streets between the cratels and the military like Mexico, or CCTV cameras on every single street corner like the UK, nor are we douchebags like the peoples of France and Germany. You see, it could ALWAYS be worse and, on many occassions, it has been worse in the USA.

Currently we need two things.
1. An end to this ethanol/biodiesel bullcrap. Global Warming is a fraud, ethanol is doing nothing whatsoever to save us money and, if man driven warming is bogus then what other reason aside from saving money would we possibly have to keep throwing money and food into this idiotic program?
2. Strict Congressional oversight of the futures market with new laws including mandatory public disclosure of the active particpants so we can open a paper and see a headline that says "Gas now $4.80 a gallon" and directly below it "George Soros reports $1.2 Billion in gains on Oil futures investments." We need this disclosure so that we can construct an iron clad defense against prosecution for dragging him and those like him out into the street, beating him until his head pops off, and then burning the whole mess for causing the current gas prices.

If we resolve those two issues, prices drop drastically and Americans can return to their usual days of trying desperately to find something, anything to bitch about and turn into an issue a million times larger than what it actually is. Hmmm... much like is happening with so many issues today!

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Just sayin......

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I occasionally find myself on the opposite side of your views but I have to say that your post rings true. Thanks for offering an alternative viewpoint, it's quite an interesting angle from which to consider current events.

Many things are taking place at the same time yes, but this is certainly not the only year or time where things have been this way. I have seen years that are worse.

I agree with another poster who said that it is cyclical.

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I SEE IT AS A SCHEME DESIGNED TO CREATE REVOLT IN ORDER TO DECLARE MARTIAL LAW. I SUSPECT A LARGE ATTACH ON THE OIL SUPPLY, RESULTING IN PRICES SO HIGH THE COMMON MAN WILL BE FORCED TO REACT.
THE LAST STAW.
ORNOT

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I SEE IT AS A SCHEME DESIGNED TO CREATE REVOLT IN ORDER TO DECLARE MARTIAL LAW. I SUSPECT A LARGE ATTACH ON THE OIL SUPPLY, RESULTING IN PRICES SO HIGH THE COMMON MAN WILL BE FORCED TO REACT.
THE LAST STAW.
ORNOT

Originally posted by Asherah
Many things are taking place at the same time yes, but this is certainly not the only year or time where things have been this way. I have seen years that are worse.

What year was that and what country?
I've been around for awhile and never have seen anything on this level.