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Originally posted by EricD
reply to post by Conspiracy Realist
The enduring canard of the Vatican's complicity in the holocaust is complete BS. There are only two reasons that I can see that someone would promulgate these lies.
1) They are virulently anti-Catholic and don't care to research the claims made.
2) They are happy to lie to advance their cause.
Why not pick up a book by an actual scholar who has no dog in the fight and do some research?
Dr. David Dalin, a Rabbi, is a Professor of history and a respected and lauded author. His book 'The Myth of Hitler's Pope' will put an end to anyone's concerns if they are intellectually honest enough to look into the matter.
There is plenty to criticize the Church over. Supporting the holocaust or not acting on behalf of those that were persecuted isn't one. This is just a scurrilous lie.
Eric
Originally posted by Conspiracy Realist
Originally posted by EricD
reply to post by Conspiracy Realist
1) Nope im an Atheist i couldnt give 2 flying pigs about Religion or what the corrupt organization at the Vatican preach.
2) You think its not fact that Catholics had a long term relationship with Hitler?
3) In 1933 the Vatican signed a Concordat with Germany making Roman Catholicism the only recognized religion in that country.
4) Signing the Concordat is Cardinal Pacelli (later to become Pope Pius XII). By 1933, he was the Vatican Secretary of State.
5) Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII from 1939 to 1958) was a brilliant diplomat, a cunning politician and a religious crusader. He, more than anybody else outside Germany, helped Hitler to power.
[edit on 25-4-2008 by Conspiracy Realist]
Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
The overwhelming evidence showing the ties between the RC Church and the Third Reich, shows us that the Church intended to revisit their fallen pride with Hitler as their Roman emperor.
Originally posted by EricD
reply to post by Conspiracy Realist
How about anything that puts those photos into context?
Pacelli became Pope Pius XII on the eve of WW2 in 1939. Because of his close associations with Germany, he was accused of remaining silent about the persecution of the Jews. Also there were many instances of local Catholic Churches in various countries that were anti-Semitic.
Is the catholic church bankrupt?
Originally posted by EricD
I believe all. Why? What's your point?
Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
It's a fact that the ties between the Vatican and the Third Reich were weak, but they existed. Hitler was blessed by the Pope and somewhere sometime, sorry don't know the source, I read that Pius said in a speech that he looked forward to again see Europe united, and that he saw Hitler as the new Emperor of a third Roman Empire, which is what lies behind the whole name "Dritte Reich", the third Roman Empire.