The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act

I've been giving it some thought.
Our friends at ae911truth will be a prime target when this bill passes.
If and when members of ae911truth start being illegally targeted for detainment, we should host a collection pool to fund getting those architects and experts out of the country and into the hands of governments willing to give them refugee status.

What do the rest of you think?
The fund wouldn't be restricted just to ae911truth members... I know there are members here on ATS who have in the past let their identities slip. We could use the funds for our own members in the states as well.

Again, this is if and when they use this bill illegally. I'm still willing to accept the US government will miraculously show some restraint... but I'm not keeping my fingers crossed.

reply to post by johnsky


Great idea...I'd pony up some dough for that...Hopefully these guys could take their findings to an international court, and we could have a REAL investigation brought up by people outside of those with vested interests.

Not holding my breath, but it would be nice.

Seeing that this bill is sponsored by a democrat and cosponsored mostly by democrats tells me that this is more than a Bush&Co plot but goes much deeper.

I have a feeling that the international courts have the same vested interest (and are on the same leash) as our government in that they just want us to shut up.

As a Christian , who accepts the Bible as the truth..that makes me a "Terrorist"
No CHIP for me..or mine..How many of you are Constitutionalist's ? You are probably one too..any gun owner who advocates either of the above. IRS tax protester ..your one too..anyone who differs from the administrations edicts..which means 60% of the population of the world...LOL...If the only tool you have is a hammer...every problem you come across looks like a nail

I don't think this bill is really gonna have a big impact on most people lives thats why nobody cares. Most people are thinking "well im not building bombs, this doesnt apply to me at all" Things might heat up a little when some protesters and some random internet posters start getting shanghaid and thrown in fema camps. If things get to the point where a real revolution is absolutely necessary then people will find a way to work around any laws the government puts in place to combat them. Iraq is a classic example of how impossible it is to maintain order through force. The fools think they are safeguarding against radicals but they are only adding fuel to the fire of most people discontent. The tighter a fascist fist closes on america, the more patriots will begin working to undermine and destroy the currupt behemoth.

aside from paying my taxes I dont ever really have to deal with the government at all. it isnt affecting my life at all. I don't know why I'm so pissed except that its the principle of the thing. If I was raised to believe this is a fascist socialist totalitarian country it would be business as usual but instead they say america is free free free and then they pull this garbage. Theres nothing that makes me more furious than lies and hypocrisy. Hell if big brother really was encroaching on my personal freedoms in any noticeable way I would become very dangerous very quickly. But they don't mess with me and I have no reason to mess with them.

Has anyone read the full text of this bill? Or even a summary?

I'm not talking about the source cited in the op. That is nothing more than an OP/ED piece.

I don't think many of you have read it. But you should.

Who are you counting on to interpret it on your behalf? Ron Paul?

How did he vote on it? Does anyone know?

There's got to be a reason it passed the House 404 to 6. Have all our legislators all of a sudden turned against us?

Think about it. Does that make any sense?

Here's a link to a summary of the bill.

www.govtrack.us...

Maybe you should read it before you get all worked up about "It is the final assault on the Constitution, and all of the american populace!!".

Seriously, folks. Be vigilant. But don't be a tool.

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Just in response to Ron Paul... he apparently didn't vote. According to his letter, he was out of town during the vote.

Ron Paul's Letter

reply to post by EagleTalonZ


Thanks for that update. It appears he would have voted against the bill.

reply to post by jsobecky


Here is a link directly to the bill after revisions and being approved by the house and is awaiting the Senate for vote. S 1959

I have read this bill over before as this is not the first post on ATS about this bill. I would encourage all to read the bill.





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reply to post by jsobecky


I have read this bill.The broad wording that is used is enough to give any sane person pause.Anyone who has ever had to deal with the Government knows that interputation of a law is the key.

It is our job as citizens to keep a watchfull eye on those we elect to serve.We are suppose to hope for the best and expect the worst.Whenever the Government has had the chance to tread on the backs of the populace,they have done so. Read your history! This law will give them a loophole with which to harrass a huge portion of the populace.
By dividing us into sub groups,they could render the so called"undesirables" inert. This process has been going on for some years now. You can look at the attack on the Waco compound,and see that things will esclate from here.
Wake up and open your eyes.When has the Government ever done anything to benifit us that didn't benifit them more in the long run?

I don't know if anyone else mentioned this
but some of the purposes of this bill/law
is to be able to prevent states from seceding
from the union, sorry Texas and to help push
forward the Federal Id program.
it makes it much easier to stop everything by simply
saying "that is not what we determined is normal
therefore you are a terrorist." it's great say hello to gitmo
"terrorsits" by labeling everyone they see as opposing them
as terrorists they are free to do anything. how quickly
would an American citizen ie couch potatoE stay the course
after one session of waterboarding.

actually reminds of the plotline from V for Vendetta

the fact that this bill has even made it this far is telling me that "We the People" need to clean house.

I read most of this thread and I was reminded of a poem I read a few years back.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out

So how can we educate people to get them to stand up and speak out.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Has anyone read the full text of this bill? Or even a summary?

I posted that on page three in this thread. And yes, I've read it. In fact several posters here have cut and pasted sections of the bill and commented upon it.

(1) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 18 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, the Commission shall submit to the President and Congress a final report of its findings and conclusions, legislative recommendations for immediate and long-term countermeasures to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and measures that can be taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence from developing and spreading within the United States, and any final recommendations for any additional grant programs to support these purposes

That gives us 18 months to organize, vote new members into Congress and be proactive in securing OUR freedom, or to get the heck outta Dodge. This isn't just going to happy in the US, folks. Give it time and it will be world wide.

I don't buy that our Freedoms are at stake here. I believe that the preservation of the Status Quo of the Elites is at risk and that they'll do whatever they can to preserve it. They've been playing "one hand washes the other" too long to undo the damage they've done and that realization is starting to sink in with them. No doubt "dumb" America will find out soon as well, but by that time they'll have the recommendations and new laws passed.

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Thanks for posting that, I was thinking of that same bit of prose but didn't bother to find it.

I am wondering lately.

Just about all Masonic Lodges in the US have a prohibition against Politics in Lodge. I understand the reasoning. BUT Considering what is happening and what was done almost 250 years ago. Maybe it is about time we Masons stand up and be counted to help stop this slide into Facism and Tyranny.

How can we as Masons believe in the teachings of our Ritual and watch a Nation we helped create founder and possibly die?

I am probably going to get a lot of my Brother Masons mad at me for saying this but it is a good question. One I think every Brother out there needs to ask themselves.

I think if this passes then there will be a division between the sheep-Americans and the true Americans. The sheep will be mind controlled to turn on the true Americans. It will be a sort of civil war going on soon if it gets as bad as I think it will.

reply to post by biggie smalls

Originally posted by biggie smalls
From the govtrack.us site:

(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

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Very vague, intentionally no doubt. If you plan to hurt anyone that was born, raised, or "operating" primarily in the US then you're a terrorist.

Sounds pretty clear to me. Or do you think it is OK to use violence to hurt anyone who thinks differently than you?


Didn't Britain pass a similar law in the past few years, in response to that radical Islamic sheikh Abu Hamza al-Masri who was known for preaching violence against the gov't? I don't remember a huge outcry against that. Well, we're doing the same thing, just being a little pro-active, is all.

en.wikipedia.org...

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It is quite simple to understand. The status quo knows that peaceful protest will never overthrow them, and is effectively a non-action. They also know that violent revolution, real action, is the only way they might be removed from power. It is plain that this act is meant to protect them from a real uprising that is growing in the minds of any who actually understand what it would take to bring about change.

reply to post by Ionized


I don't buy that. If the populace decides to violently overthrow the gov't, no law is going to stop them. And the gov't will react accordingly, law or no law.