Attention Women...

reply to post by ImJaded


Im Jaded,

I have been musing on your post for a few days while condidering how to respond without hanging out to much laundry...so to speak.

I dont know if I would term it low self esteem per se. I suspect that many women are in fact..very competitive. It is just that this is done in a female oriented manner..not a male manner of competition. For females this means sex/sexuality as a means of power or control. To many women this can be done without alot of physical risk as is done by foolish men. It is also a avenue in which many women assume ..albet incorrectly ...that they have huge lots or acerage of control over men...they can easily default through without risk and without alot of work.


As to hanging out the laundry part..let me say that I enjoy the female form as much as any man out here. I simply enjoy it in a private setting...not a pubic spectacle. I dont enjoy drunken women...either in public or private. Nor do I like being around drunken men. They too are disgusting to me. Sorry ..but I have babysitted to many ...who cannot handle their drink. I am not looking for a career in this. Those days are long over.

I can apprreciate a womans skills in this arena...however I like women who have an abundance of other skills than merely taking off their clothes. I know to many women for whom taking off their clothes is their main skill in life and many of these women think this is the core ingredient/skill to gain access to male skills and talents for which they have no ambition to learn. Control the man and you... by default ...can have it easier and with less risk. This is a standard dogma among many women out here...and it works well among men who cannot think further than sports and the swimsuit edition. It is not difficult to find women like this who can come over and take off thier clothes..they are all over the place.
This is mainly the fault of ignorant males..not the females.

While I can appreciate a woman who can take off her clothes at the correct time and place....I require much more in the skills and abilities line up from a woman in whom I intend to invest alot of time and my hard earned moneys. Moneys often earned at great risk.
I am not intrested in women who are what I call high maintenance or women whom use sex and sexuality to attempt to substitute their thinking and values for mine with nothing of good or decent offer in return. I know exactly how to handle this type.

Well Im Jaded ..that is about as much laundry as I care to hang out in public. It will have to suffice. Hope you understand the point.

Thanks,
Orangetom



[edit on 25-4-2008 by orangetom1999]

Thanks for the Input, orangetom...

Someone who brought up the idea, that the men of this country are being Feminized... i can totaly see that.


This is evident, the other day i was hanging out with some guys, and one of them asked me if we could stop by the Dorms, so he could show this other Guy his shoe collection...

Yes that is right, not only does this GUY have a Shoe collection, ANOTHER GUY wants to see it...

No wonder the girls have given up on men...


The Boys of this country are being Sisiyfied... I grew up in many diffrent places, and no where is more f-d up then right here in NorCal... Forget the obvois like the California school system banning the words "Mom" and "Dad"... but other things, like discurageing our boys from defending themselfs... its just not a good thing.

SO our schools are turning our Boys into whimps, not having the Balls to stand up for ones self, or for anything they belive in.

People are become wild animals, its disgusting... some of the things i have seen... most people have no common decency anymore... people just piss/crap everywhere, Screw anything that moves, and steals everything they can pick up... All while putting whatever new drug into thier systems...

A sane Man can lose his mind in these dreaded times.



Everything on the TV is sexual... I think 70%+ of ads have a sexual theme to them... even mundane things like Car commericals... "When you turn your car on... does it return the favor..." Just maddness... This is why i don't watch TV that much, outside of a Laker Game, or Football... or just at friends houses...


All i want to find is a Woman... is that this hard... I AM MAN... hold on let me open a window...

I AM MAN!

I don't want to hear that three-somes are your hobby!
I don't want to see a girl walking around in a tee-shirt saying 'Do Me'
I don't want to see two women grinding/groping/making out
I don't want to have sex the first time i meet you
I NEVER want to have ANYTHING GOING IN MY ASS.
And i dont want to put anything in yours...
I don't think its cool that you were in a three-some
I don't want to hear about your sexual conquests

Im sure there are more things... but i think that is a half-way decent list of things i just don't want to hear about...

I realy don't think that i am a prude... mabye i am just starting to think straight..

When i was younger, all this seemed so fun, and in High school, when 2 girls would kiss at a party... everyone would Yell... me included... now, thru wiser eyes, the same act is not recived the same...

SO sorry for my slightly-off-topic post...

Just needed to be said...

There may be another reason why women are behaving like skanks in public that has little to do with the social emasculation so prominent these days. I think Orangetom was onto something when he mentioned high maintenance women defaulting or "playing through".

Since the competition among women has gotten so fierce fighting for what few alpha males remain, it may be that a pack mentality has emerged. Not so much for the goal of ONE woman claiming the prize but to preserve and maintain the IDEA or acceptability of a female's "right" to play through by default. If females band together by public shows of their sexuality they are, in a sense, proclaiming their power over men and the prerogative to keep the status quo; ie: "See us exerting our sexual influence? We (females) all agree that you (males) are our prey. Pay up or we'll ignore you in favor of each other."

If there is any truth in this (highly speculative) hypothesis then the females are basing their game plan on an assumption that can (and probably will) be very dangerous for them. And that is that males will continue to play by the rules and not just TAKE what is being withheld from them. Females forget that they have already changed the rules of the "game" in which they felt they were losing. Could not the other players (males) also change the rules if they felt they were losing?

I think men and women need an entirely new paradigm in which to relate to one another. One based on biological realities, honesty and honor. There are no winners in a gender war.

reply to post by TKainZero


TKainZero,

I am taking a lunch break from my yard labors and checked out this site while eating my soup and sandwich.

Thanks for your post and opinion. Let me say first...Oooh...Rah!!!!

Thank goodness someone gets it. Was begining to think that at times it is a barren wasteland out here.

Shoe collection eh!!!?? OK...dont get me wrong here..I am not against a man dressing well or snappy so so speak. I just think it takes more to be a man than clothes.
Years ago I worked in the Mens section of a department store. Habo we called it after the word Haberdashery. Here I learned to dress up. Women tend to very much like a well dressed man. However...it goes further than that to a knowlegable woman. Being a man requires much more...much much more. A male who can only dress up and look pretty ...is like a new or different handbag to many women. I suppose this is where the term "boy toy " comes into play. No thanks..not intrested in that. This type of male is to me femminized.
Dont get me wrong here...when I have time and a desire to do so, I dont mind getting dressed up smartlhy and snappily. It is just not who I am.
Most of the time I am a jeans and pocket tee shirt type of guy...like right now...jeans, pocket tee shirt and sweat bandanna. Gotta build up a sweat to take care of this yard..here!!

I am also not against a man being cultured or what I refer to as genteel. A gentleman. I think this is a dying art now days. It has been replaced with alot of self promotion and the fast food lane of thinking/expectations. Such self promotion..to me being the fingerprint of what both you and I term as wild animals...or animanistic type behavior. No thanks..not for me. I suppose this is one reason I have no intrest in going to this place called Hooters. Such obvious techniques to get me to come off my moneys does not appeal to me at all.

I am in the South...the Seabord side of Virginia. There is still to be found here in places a measure of gentility. I fear that with such an abundance of coarse brainwashing as is being done through the media and public education...that this gentility will disappear. It will become endangered. I dread the day as I see more and more young peoples not knowing or understanding the difference. They are becoming like a Xerox copy...of the initial coarsness. Plant them in front of a television, feed and water them, and you get 500 copies of the same coarsness..monkey, see monkey do. No originality or individuality going on. It is pitiful.

What is worse..is that a real woman can see this clearly..like radar navigating through the darkness. It must be a severe let down to them.

I agree with you about the television. I dont watch much of it anymore. The history channel, Discovery and occasionally when I can stomach it ..the news. Si Fi is good on occasion too.
I dont really like to watch much sports at all with the exception of a fishing program. Love to fish and eat fish...fill the freezer etc etc.
What I dont care for in the sports programming format is the sexual appeal of the commercials. To me many of them are of the lowest common denominator. I am not much of a beer drinker. Occasionally I have one but dont make it a career as do some I know.

However to be fair to the ad people..concerning television...some of the commercial appeal..shows more originality than does the standard programming. Sad but true.
There are other reasons for not watching much sports but this will suffice for now.

Sir , I do not know your age but surmise that you have outgrown the usual pubscent thinking and expectations sufficient that you can see clearly the fingerprint of what I am speaking and concerned. You are looking for someone or something more than the sandard issue wildlife of today. You find this fingerprint severly lacking.

I say to you ..Well done Sir. It can be at times a long and lonely road out here among the wildlife......but Well done Sir. Well said.

Whitewave,

Hello again. Good to see your post. I had not thought of conditions in the manner of which you speak. Women competiting for the remaining Alpha Males and the pack mentality. I shall have to consider this more in depth..but I think you may be on to something here yourself. Well said here..well said. I shall have to work on this and keep it in mind.

LOL LOL LOL...Prey...yes..I agree Whitewave..Prey..LOL LOL. I have often said or implied that men are delusional if they think they are the only "Hunter Gatherers" out here. Many are so dumb they havent a clue.
Thank you for a woman's perspective on this.

As to ignoring the male in favor of the other females...I say..bon appetit. Have at it. Not intrested. I know how to handle those too. As I said also before and many times. I am not intrested in drama or drama techinques. Male or female. Lord I hate drama queens. Ive got enought of them at work. Lord spare me Drama Queens of this world.

I agree..with you in your reasoning that this kind of plan can be very dangerous for women. For the very reason you state but also for another reason..one I dont think many women ever think about as their reasoning does not extend this far...due to the built in defaults.

Whitewave..the problem I see is that the females want more power and control over men and more directly. With power and control comes more responsibility..this is the default not considered by women ..because of natural blindness/default. They as a whole ,want power and control without the responsibility...translate that risk. Most women are not talking about risk here...they want more control and authority over men without risk.
I am not talkng about sexual risk..but real working risk daily. I have found that with many woman when you put them in a position of real risk...they would rather go the sexual route..it requires less work and less risk. Translate that less commitment.
In order for women to get more goodies..ie options without risk..the men must take on more and more. How is this going to happen in a generation of femminized males?? Sex and sexuality are a poor substitute for male risk. Even the dumbest male catchs on eventually. She must have more. A very difficult concept in a empty carcass.
I suppose this is why places like Hooters have no appeal to me considering the risks I take for my moneys. I have found that when I start hitting women up with the concept of risk ..most of them back up and back off very quickly. All of them..no...these are the ones I will watch closely for thier real "potential" real intrinsic value.

I agree with you Whitewave ...a new paridigm is in order here. I would not expect such to come from the media and educational system. It must come from individuals like us. Well said Whitewave...well said.

My yard work calls and my lunch is long since devoured. I must get back to my labors.

Thanks to you and TkainZero for your posts,

Orangetom




[edit on 26-4-2008 by orangetom1999]

[edit on 26-4-2008 by orangetom1999]

reply to post by orangetom1999


STUPID, dumb males, fixated on Sports Illustrated and Hooters!

Breasts!! Large, full breasts!!! (jealous? of large breasts?)

Smart female Drama Queens, marking out their territory and playing through unaccountable!

Understand...now???

Stupid men fixated on breasts and sex! Smart women!

Thanks (for nothing),
Orangetom

(sorry, "dude", couldn't resist )

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
reply to post by orangetom1999

 

STUPID, dumb males, fixated on Sports Illustrated and Hooters!

Breasts!! Large, full breasts!!! (jealous? of large breasts?)

Smart female Drama Queens, marking out their territory and playing through unaccountable!

Understand...now???

Stupid men fixated on breasts and sex! Smart women!

Thanks (for nothing),
Orangetom

(sorry, "dude", couldn't resist

)

LOL LOL..no offense taken. I know plenty of men who fit this bill of lading.

No problems with me here Mrdstbr.
Bon Appetit.

Oh..and one more thing as a personal preference..I am not into large breasted women. No thanks. Breasted...literally and figuratively..yes..large breasted..literally..no!!

Probably hanging out to much laundry here...if so ..my apologies ladies.

Thanks,
Orangetom



[edit on 26-4-2008 by orangetom1999]

Good Lord Whitewave,

My apologies, I believe I missed or overlooked this portion of your post and only this morning did I catch it when re reading.

but to preserve and maintain the IDEA or acceptability of a female's "right" to play through by default.

an IDEA of acceptability rather than real acceptability of the commitment levels required to be acceptable.

Is this similar or in likeness to the appearance of commitment rather than real commitment??

What you are talking about here Whitewave, is a "Counterfit"!! Good Lord. I must have missed this line last night. Silly me Whitewave.

If this is so it is in fact going to be disasterous. As you appropriately stated....no winners in a gender war.

Thanks again for your post,
Orangetom

[edit on 27-4-2008 by orangetom1999]