It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by dave420
Don't you guys feel a bit silly spouting all this stuff, based entirely on your own experiences and the experiences of others (which demonstrates nothing), when there are plenty of scientific explanations for dreams, out-of-body experiences, and the like? There's a distinct lack of objectivity in the "Paranormal Studies" board. It seems like people just claim whatever they want without doing any research into it. "Embrace Ignorance" more like. The field of paranormal studies will forever be laughed at by the rest of science if it keeps acting in this ridiculously unscientific fashion.
Originally posted by dave420
That's so untrue it's not even funny. Can you experience something paranormal? If that's the case, then it can be detected. If it can be detected, then scientific hypotheses can be constructed to describe them. Then experiments can be formulated and carried out. Then evidence can be gathered, and the paranormal becomes normal.
I won't believe a scientist's personal experiences, as it's anecdotal evidence at best, and knowing how flawed humans are at making sense of such experiences, any scientist worth his salt wouldn't suggest it's evidence. It might be enough to get them to construct a hypothesis, but their experience won't enter into their evidence at all.
Your entire post smacks of new-age wishful thinking, conveniently discounting any attempt to find corroborating evidence for that which you claim.
You're embracing ignorance on a massive scale. No wonder the field of paranormal research is laughed at by the rest of the world. Ideas like the ones your post is dripping with will ensure that keeps happening for decades. Thanks a bunch.
Originally posted by Mabus
reply to post by Harman
Actually I find myself on point in declassifying wickedness and iniquity of the paranormal. Crucify? I have power over the wicked said the bible. I cant crucify who isnt wicked. And if the paranormal is being wicked, then I asure you they will testify to that of themselves, especial in how I drew up snarish questioning in this thread.
To heed means you would act to reguard whatever it is highly by the way. That means even if it mean stopping doing certain paranormal things you would noramally do. Though if the lusts of the devil is in you, you wont heed even the fairess warning about a prepared hell.
Originally posted by dave420
Don't you guys feel a bit silly spouting all this stuff, based entirely on your own experiences and the experiences of others (which demonstrates nothing), when there are plenty of scientific explanations for dreams, out-of-body experiences, and the like? There's a distinct lack of objectivity in the "Paranormal Studies" board. It seems like people just claim whatever they want without doing any research into it. "Embrace Ignorance" more like. The field of paranormal studies will forever be laughed at by the rest of science if it keeps acting in this ridiculously unscientific fashion.
Originally posted by Harman
Originally posted by Mabus
reply to post by Harman
Actually I find myself on point in declassifying wickedness and iniquity of the paranormal. Crucify? I have power over the wicked said the bible. I cant crucify who isnt wicked. And if the paranormal is being wicked, then I asure you they will testify to that of themselves, especial in how I drew up snarish questioning in this thread.
To heed means you would act to reguard whatever it is highly by the way. That means even if it mean stopping doing certain paranormal things you would noramally do. Though if the lusts of the devil is in you, you wont heed even the fairess warning about a prepared hell.
Ok, so when someone Astral Projects his head off so to say but only going where they are invited and nowhere else it should be ok in your opininion? Just to be clear. I'm trying to train the ability of astral projection and some people have already given me card blanche to check out their closets so i can say what's in them if i'm ever able to leave my body without actually dying.
Originally posted by Mabus
The one person wont die by leaving the human body because the paranormal are as two persons (where what makes a person up is twice) when projection is on. For astral projection the paranormal can be humanly awake and alert to something the same as and/or different than the astral projection itself. The connection makes the two actually one or rather a re-enforced Person.
Ha! Would it be OK if you place the very thought in another person's head to get them to seem to have said it's OK? And is it OK you be in anothers mind to ask if it's OK before they can even say whether or not it's OK?
The person would have to be asked humanly by the human body, not by the astral projection on whether or not something is OK to do. Otherwise it's extortion and robbery and even a cause for parania. No one likes to think they've said "No" to something that can still go through any time with or without their knoweldge. Respect is wanted universially by persons. It goes without saying that there is a univeral code of conduct at least preferred amongst persons.
Originally posted by deadline527
You make NO sense whatsoever.
What part of not being able to enter someones mind do you not understand? You must watch too many movies because thats the only place I can see you getting these absolutely absurd ideas. I dont see how you are coming to the conclusion that by dreaming you are in someone elses mind. Its almost like you're trying to fit a 100 ft square inside a 20 ft circle, its never going to work and its even more rediculous to try.
Do you just like to come here and ramble about things that make no sense?
Do you like to try to make yourself feel better by making up "sins" or "evil behavior" out of nothing?
I can see no logic for what you try to explain, and trust me, I have tried very hard. You do seem pretty animate about your ideas, but sadly they make no sense at all.
And I know for a fact I cant enter peoples minds because its IMPOSSIBLE. Your mind is your mind, not one person in this world can enter it. If they can, tell me who it is because ill pay them a lot of money to prove it. How do you associate someone being able to astral project into the exact same thing as entering a mind? It makes no sense. When I am in a dream, the only mind I am in is MY OWN, which is why I can control my OWN dreams. Also, no future or past? Are you serious? Then when I remember what I did 20 years ago in my childhood.. what does that mean?
Keep spouting more crazyness....
Originally posted by azhAa
Ohhh boy...ok guys be nice he's a religious fanatic and sounds like he's in his early teens so cut him some slack.
I would like to clarify something....which will probably only fuel Mabus further. You can hurt someone astrally. Look at remote viewing experiments where they are only using their mental body Dimensional 3 body and they can stop someone's heart or put them to sleep or many other things. Using your Dimension 4 astral body you can hurt people even deeper because you can mess with the energy body programming that actually downsteps dimensionally eventually forming the physical elemental Dimension 2 matter body. Unhealth conditions start out in the energy body first and then make there way into the physical. I wish I could live in a happy rose colored astral world like some of you guys but unfortunately that is not the real world. If one is more skilled in astral awareness they can totally control anyone from that level because accessing a persons D-4 consciousness and body (astral) they are 1 dimension above or higher than the mental body D-3. This is of course why many people who do not understand protection and basic procedures and common sense can get themselves into lots of trouble astrally projecting without any knowledge about such things. You ever know someone who was body snatched while they were projecting out of there body? And that person couldn't get back in cause they were blocked out? Some of you folks need to utilize more discernment and please look into more protection just as standard procedure if you are attempting projection. If you don't know good protection practices then U2U me.
-peace
Shouldnt the paranormal know where to find Osama? They should, but wont which can mean it's because Osama is one of them or one of their kept secret experiments.
And when you remember the past, it isnt the past no more it's just a then in the present memory of the past
^That one was a ghost because it no longer had a human body I found out. Why is it that the paranormal become ghosts only and not us who are not paranormal?
Shouldnt the paranormal know where to find Osama? They should, but wont which can mean it's because Osama is one of them or one of their kept secret experiments.
Plus, according to the bible, the human body you operate isnt even supposed to be standing.
This is why it was said the devil "was" a murderer from the beginning.
Originally posted by deadline527
No, you are just mentally special and you cannot understand what I write.
I said I can visit other planets, planes, locations, etc... BUT IT IS NOT THE PRESENT TIME. Its either in the past, or in the future - I have never seen what someone is doing right then and there. I think it goes along with the whole idea of multiple time lines and the fact that when you are projecting, you may or may not be viewing your current time line.
^That one was a ghost because it no longer had a human body I found out. Why is it that the paranormal become ghosts only and not us who are not paranormal?
Wow... just wow... you really have quite a misunderstanding of the whole idea of WHY people become ghosts so to speak. It usually has to do with a sudden death, where they have unfinished things on this plane of existence so they either choose to stay around, or stay because they are lost and cannot find the light.
I bet when you die, you become a spirit. Everyone does. EVERYONE has a soul, therefore everyone will return back to their energy state after dying. Some people just get trapped in our existence.
You also seem to really confuse certain abilities such as telekinesis, telepathy, and psychic intuition as people with the ability to astral travel. I can astral travel, yet I have no idea how to do any of the three aforementioned abilities. I am sure I could learn, just as you could - yes, you can - but I do not have the time nor a good teacher to learn from.
And your story about someone attacking you through the mind... LOL. The more you talk the more I really think you should see a professional. It seems as if you are having delusional thoughts and hallucinations. Really, go see a professional and tell them about your irrational fears, and I think they can help you. You seem to have a extreme fear of that which you do not understand, which is normal, just you are taking it to the point where its actually destructive to your every day life.
Edit: I also am curious as to why you use the word paranormal to describe NATURAL ABILITIES. Again, my belief is that you have a very warped understanding of things you know very little about, and that is what causes you to fear it so much.
[edit on 12-4-2008 by deadline527]