The Bible says Universe is billions of years old

God created everything in six days, on the seventh he rested.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

And one day equals a thousand years or a watch in the night. It is prophecied that our knowledge of the universe and everything will mount at the end of the sixth day when Man ate from the "Tree of Wisdom". Nearly 6000 years have passed since Adam was created.

Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, and like a watch in the night.

Using the key of Psalms 90 we get the following:

6000years*365days*1000years=2,190,000,000year "days".

Further we know that a watch in the night is three or four hours:

24/3=8

24/4=6

2,190,000,000*8=17,520,000,000

2,190,000,000*6=13,140,000,000

Now where's the difference between science and the bible?

Good point, Mystic. I agree that religion and science can overlap. I was taught by my mother that God created the world, but that a day was equal to eons. And there you have it, they both can fit together.

Traditionally an aeon is the same as an astrological age. Such an age lasts for an approximate of 2000 years. Gnosticism talks of aeons alot. Maybe I'll check it out and study it further one of these days to find out what the gnosis of the early Christian mystics is layed out.

24,000*365*2,000=17,520,000,000

Looks like it works with aeons too.

[edit on 9/4/2008 by Neo Christian Mystic]

reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic


now here's your problem

genesis 1 and genesis 2 or two separate stories

the order of events is entirely different

so your starting point is flawed. man is created on the sixth day...
but in genesis 2 there isn't any mention of "days"

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic

 

now here's your problem

genesis 1 and genesis 2 or two separate stories

the order of events is entirely different

so your starting point is flawed. man is created on the sixth day...
but in genesis 2 there isn't any mention of "days"

You're right about there being two different creation stories in the Bible. History starts with Adam. Today it is 5768 years since the creation of Adam, according to the Hebrew calendar. Roughly six days equaling 1000 years. What was your point again?

As you may have recognised, the two stories are the reverse of eachother, linking it to the passing of the aeons, for the vernal equinox cycle moves backwards in relation to the rotation of Earth. Quantum leaps for a quantum reality.

I would say fourteen Trillion Years old.

Old enough to be your moms mom from eternity.

That was certainly a scholarly remark. According to science, Big Bang happened between 13 and 17 billion years ago, for some reason the exact same figures you'll find using this particular mystery of the bible.

reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic


...how are you getting 6000 from the story of adam?
no timeframes are mentioned in the adam myth.

the stories aren't in reverse of each other...the stories are actually just entirely different. they work from different perspectives, have their origins in different traditions, and have jumbled up orders of events.

and do you even know what any of the science jargon you just threw out actually means?

reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic


13.7 billion
it's not anywhere near 17 billion...

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic

 

13.7 billion
it's not anywhere near 17 billion...

According to an article in New Scientist the universe is probably 15.8 billion years old:

space.newscientist.com...

That suggests the universe is 15% larger, and 15% older than previously thought. Recent estimates have put the age of the universe at 13.7 billion years, and the new research suggests it may actually be 15.8 billion years old.

Here's a page using another number:

www.astro.ubc.ca...

The highly metal-poor clusters, such as M15 and M92, are up to 17 billion years old, while the slightly more metal-rich clusters range in age between 11 and 12 billion years. (For measure, globular cluster stars are classified as population II stars, while the younger stars that populate the galactic disc known as population I stars). Assuming that the oldest of the globular clusters are some 17 billion years old, we conclude that the Universe is about 18 billion years old if we include another 1 billion years needed for the formation of our Galaxy.

Wikipedia doesn't always keep up the pace with scientific breakthroughs...

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
..how are you getting 6000 from the story of adam?
no timeframes are mentioned in the adam myth.

From the Jewish calendar and the bible itself. According to the Jewish calendar we are currently living in the year 5768 After Adam (ca. 6000). That was where I got it.

reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic


By the bible, history starts with the creation of mankind in Genesis 1.

Hebrew / Biblical history starts with Adam, the next page over.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic

 

By the bible, history starts with the creation of mankind in Genesis 1.

Hebrew / Biblical history starts with Adam, the next page over.

Actually Jewish or more correct Hebrew history begins with the creation of Adam in Genesis 2. He is the first named person with a story, except for God ofcourse. Genesis 1 is about cosmology and not history, it is highly allegorical.

[edit on 9/4/2008 by Neo Christian Mystic]

The thing is, you can't take anything from the Hebrew version of creation, because it was directly lifted from the Babylonians during the exile.

This means it is just a copy of a copy. You need to go further back.

Honestly, it seems like nothing in the bible is actually the original work of Israelites. Moses birth *coughSARGONcough*, the Elohim (the gods? oh it can mean god. That's convienient), the flood and I reckon probably the exodus have all been coopted from somewhere else.

I don't think the OT gets even vaguely near real until it gets to David, Solomon and that generation, and even then I think it is a smiliar thing to the Classical Greeks and the Myceneans - they have some cracking stories, but no hard proof they ever happened.

Of course, I'd like to think that much of that (the people at least, if not the events) were true and a king called David did the business etc.

Seems to fall in perfectly, great find! Seems like every 1,000 years God only blinks once lol.

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here's a far more recent article

NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) has taken the best measurement of the age of the Universe to date. According to highly precise observations of microwave radiation observed all over the cosmos, WMAP scientists now have the best estimate yet on the age of the Universe: 13.73 billion years, plus or minus 120 million years (that's an error margin of only 0.87%… not bad really…).

so 13.61-13.84 billion years.

Astronomers can place a lower limit to the age of the universe by studying globular clusters. Globular clusters are a dense collection of roughly a million stars. Stellar densities near the center of the globular cluster are enormous. If we lived near the center of one, there would be several hundred thousand stars closer to us than Proxima Centauri, the star nearest to the Sun.

[...]

The oldest globular clusters contain only stars less massive than 0.7 solar masses. These low mass stars are much dimmer than the Sun. This observation suggests that the oldest globular clusters are between 11 and 18 billion years old. The uncertainty in this estimate is due to the difficulty in determining the exact distance to a globular cluster (hence, an uncertainty in the brightness (and mass) of the stars in the cluster). Another source of uncertainty in this estimate lies in our ignorance of some of the finer details of stellar evolution. Presumably, the universe itself is at least as old as the oldest globular clusters that reside in it.

[...]

Page Updated: Wednesday, 03-05-2008.

map.gsfc.nasa.gov...

An official NASA article about globular clusters measured to be between 11 and 18 billion years old. Sorry mac. BUT. The article concludes with data from the WMAP satelite which measures background radiation from the Big Bang. They arrive at the same estimate as you did, 13,7 billion years, however there are incinsistencies. The globular clusters which seams to be even older. I guess we'll expand our knowledge about this sooner or later to explain this.

[edit on 10/4/2008 by Neo Christian Mystic]

Also, remember that according to the Bible, the universe is older than Big Bang. The Big Bang is the Light, but even before any sun was lit matter existed in the shape of the Eretz, often translated the Earth, however Eretz may even mean Zion or Israel later on, so God knows what it really was, aswell as Heaven or the Great Expance, space with dimentions. God exists outside this in the beginning, enters it when he creates Man, and leaves when Eve was tricked by Lilith to eat from the Tree of Wisdom. Then he comes back at the flood and leaves again when peace is settled. Know that the peace of God is a sharp sword and fasces of iron. Call it marchal law if you like, call it nothing left, call it nothing at all. God comes when war is declared, but only the mad hear voices. Did you know that both Hitler and Churchil were insane according to modern psychology and psychiatry? They heared voices and drowned themselves in chrystal meth and booze. You don't have to believe me, but that's what the record says. They heared voices from the future, now, which explained what happened, and it was a war between gay-extinguishing Jew-hating Hitler and compassionate rather sad Churchill with all the right people in an underground bunker, when the wrath of the Lamb is heared over the ether. Watch and wait, soon, very soon, yes right at this moment, the scenario of Revelation is played out under your very noses. Call it conspiracy, I call it telepathy and the Spirit of God, which existed over the primordered sea in the Great Expance. It's time for the Mazzaroth to be painted in the Temple with the gemstars of the Father outlining his everlasting face and light shines in all it's glory, around the Pole Star to finally silence Paul who killed Stephen for witnessing about this.

reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic


That's a whole heap of assumptions and straight-up shoe-horning of facts.

Anyone can prove anything if one is prepared to make stuff up.

wait a minute, this thread is not about narnia



[edit on 19-5-2008 by CzErased]