Originally posted by Truth (In Italics)
Stations creation. Im sorry but you are way off.
( worship ) means to bow down and worship a thing or human.
We do not worship mary, norasany cunil since the church began taught this t all. We devote to mary by trusting that as a (mother) of all christians as
stated by Jesus at the cross, behold thy mother, she will pray for us as our real lfe mothers do and watch over us as chilren to (help) us into
heaven. this is what the church taught.
Jesus never said that Mary is the mother of all Christians! If so prove it, show me some Scripture.
She does not pray over us to help us into heaven. Men made this up. The Catholic Church made this up.
We are supposed to continue in the apostlesí doctrine.
42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Paul wrote not to go beyond what is written.
1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is
, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.
an who are you to say who jesus can ad annot use in the salvation of millins of souls?
I canít say, but God can through His word. God may use living humans to lead people to salvation by preaching the gospel. But not deceased humans,
like Mary, she was merely human. God forbids the communication with the dead. Its an abomination unto God.
11 "or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
12 "For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD,
We should only pray to God the Father through Jesus Christ as taught in Scripture. You show me just one example of someone praying to Mary in
Scripture, there is none because it is calling up the dead.[
Just like with preist who avebeen orained from christ until now. Jesus di nothave to gve them the power to forgive sins, but this is the way he
choose to ru his church.
"" Therefor confessyour sins one toanother,and pray for one another that you may be saved ""
"" Whos sins you shall forgive they are ogiven them; and whosesins you shall rtain they are retained them ""
this is a verse in which a literalchild can understand.
You havnít even read these versus properly. ĎTo confess sins to one anotherí, it dosnít say to your priest.
Also you have taken the verse out of context, the verse is linked to healing.
16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails
And John 20:23 Jesus was speaking to the Apostles. This verse is linked with Matthew 16:19 & 18:18 which is power Jesus specifically gave to the
This is an excerpt from some commentary that helps explain.
[Whosesoever sins ye remit] See the note at , and . It is certain God alone can forgive sins; and it would not only be blasphemous, but grossly
absurd, to say that any creature could remit the guilt of a transgression which had been committed against the Creator. The apostles received from the
Lord the doctrine of reconciliation, and the doctrine of condemnation. They who believed on the Son of God, in consequence of their preaching, had
their sins remitted; and they who would not believe were declared to lie under condemnation.
(from Adam Clarke Commentary)
God doesnt have to useman his apostles to ue for means of salvation, buthe chooses too through his apointed servants his preist.
Jesus is means of salvation!
You say that Jesus is theony itercessor to God?
But who isthe intecessor tothe son Jesus?
Are you serious? If your asking that question you have missed the entire meaning of what Jesus did on the cross and what the true Gospel is about. And
just proved that the Catholic Church has you believing another Gospel (2 Cor 11:4.)
Jesus is the intercessor. There is no middleman, our relationship is through Jesus. This is what the Word of God teaches.
2 Cor 3:4
And we have such trust through Christ toward God.
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the
16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
I ask my grandmother to pray for me so why not marry? What do you think after you die, thats it? There can be no more help given by your soul for
people on earth?
Why did God send the Holy Spirit if Mary or other humans could do the Job? Like I stated before it is wrong to call on the dead.
Your mind, with all due respect, hasnt even fathomed how God works or chooses to.
I know that, but God wonít contradict His own Word, and through His Word He has shown us enough of how He works to keep us from the deception of manís
And im saying this with all due respect, because I too was never catholic and converted from miracles, so ive heard it all against the church of
Miracles donít validate a religion or institution, then that would make Hinduism, witchcraft and others true, for these all have miracles to, not from
the same source though. The Gospel as taught in the bible saves.
In response to your other post on celibate priests. I mean, I gave you a verse in my previous post which you seem to have ignored.
1 Tim 3:2
An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife
, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
The qualification of a priest is that he be married. This is what the bible says. And the verses that Paul uses about staying single, this is about
God giving you the grace to be single. Obviously this is not something everybody can do. This would be something people in the mission field would
more likely have, not having the burden of a family.
After reading this you will probably go on the defensive but I have given you plenty of Scripture in context. Your problem isnít with me but the
teachings of God. Read the Scriptures that I have supplied, pick up your bible and read them in context. And if you do make a rebuttal make sure you
can back up all you say with Scripture, and read the verses before and after the verse you want to use to make sure itís in context.
You have to ask yourself, who are you loyal to God and His truth, or man and his religious institution.
Why do you think the Reformers centuries ago split from the Catholic Church? Because they studied the bible and saw the error of Catholicism. I can
only pray that you will to.
One final thing.
Does this look like a man who God would appoint to be head of His church?
Kissing the Koran.
If you try and justify this, Iím sorry but you donít want to see the truth.