Church of Scientology being attacked

Here's an excellent (15min) video documenting the events so far...

Includes all the events that lead up to these peaceful protests, and the reasons behind it.

[url=http://www.dailymotion.com/SA-Anonymous/video/7313668]>>The Road To Feb 10

Anon has a future... the concept "works". Various diffuse sites and blogs "talk" of other projects and the continuation of this one. In darker corners "other" things are being entertained. The "leader-less" hierarchy is primo...

Look for the Anon concept to be imitated by those who see the power-potential and think it "fits" their agenda(s) and purposes.

Anytime, anytime at all thousands (a very, very, very conservative estimate) online in a "flash" and the ablilty to manifest in "the real world"? Very, 21st Century. I saw a "shout test" that drew thousands in minutes. There is a new "power", totally indie and unpredictable to be considered by "spin-pigs" moving forward. I like the element of uncertainty.

The Toronto event was covered by MSM directly... and "us" from a discreet distance via telephotos located North and South of 696 Yonge St. Interesting habits and tactics these Co$ folks use... CC'd globally and now well-known. Best spirit? The Aussie's.

Cheers,

Vic

[edit on 13-2-2008 by V Kaminski]

Originally posted by V Kaminski
Anon has a future... the concept "works". Various diffuse sites and blogs "talk" of other projects and the continuation of this one. In darker corners "other" things are being entertained. The "leader-less" hierarchy is primo...

Is this how the revolution began?!?!

reply to post by Rasobasi420


What "revolution"? I see no "revolution". I see a grass-roots evolution of an unanticipated social force to be dealt with as any other; carefully and not without some reservation. Sure, some may contend "revolution"... no more revolutionary than say, suffrage or the abolition of slavery. Wink.

"Revolutions" are for ad-persons to sell to those willing to pay, evolutions happen by the will of the people... sometimes quite by accident and happenstance.

Tommy "could" have kept his crooked tooth smilin' manic trap shut... he did not. "Yippee!!! Jump the couch", yawn. Anon could not have happened the way it has without such an "assist". You have the power - evolve into your environment.

Chances are... it will get lost in the shuffle for a time. I could be completely wrong. History often repeats itself. LOL.

Vic

reply to post by wu kung


Co$ has not made any public statements about the protests as far as I am aware. It would seem there are trying to downplay the whole thing and keep it out of the news as much as posible. They know if they do publicly comment, then they risk more curious people looking into the event, realize the evil of there organization, and thus make more enemies. As tom cruise proved:

when it comes to Co$ all publicity is bad publicity.

I would like to start by saying that I only herd about the Co$ about six months ago. When I first discovered all the flak they were taking I tried to defend them as I am a big supported of religious rights.

Then some of the opponents comments about co$ made me start to look into the church for myself, and the more I dug the more horrified I became.

I have no problem with peoples personal beliefs, no mater haw irrational. The problems most of the critics of co$ have with it are:
They force you to give them money in order to be saved. ( and not in the Christian, Jewish, if you have been blessed help the church and if not you are welcome any way.) No, they say that in order to be saved you need to give the church money, and there "audits" (which for those of you who don't know are kind of like a catholic confession) not only cost you money, but they record the session. from what I've herd from ex-members, if you try to leave the church or don't give them money they blackmail you with your confessions.

Not only that but they have been Accused (and in some cases convicted) of crimes ranging from stealing documents from the federal government, to even murder of members who tried to leave.

This is not a religion, any more than the mafia is a religion. They are a business that preys upon the weak, and a criminal organization.

In hubbards own words. "If you want to make a lot of money, start a religion".

I erge all people interested in this debate (even members) to study long and hard both sides of the story as I have done. Do not blindly defend them because of there religious status as I first did.

Thank you to all who took the time to read this.

[edit on 13-2-2008 by Squiddypuff]

V.Kaminsky wrote:

'Anon has a future... the concept "works".

Hi Kaminsky, quoting you simply because you put it in a nutshell.

And to others .. ' the concept works '.

Question is: ' Is it for sale ? '

Question's deserving of consideration, imo.

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Originally posted by Squiddypuff
I would like to start by saying that I only herd about the Co$ about six months ago. When I first discovered all the flak they were taking I tried to defend them as I am a big supported of religious rights.

Then some of the opponents comments about co$ made me start to look into the church for myself, and the more I dug the more horrified I became.

I have no problem with peoples personal beliefs, no mater haw irrational. The problems most of the critics of co$ have with it are:

They force you to give them money in order to be saved. ( and not in the Christian, Jewish, if you have been blessed help the church and if not you are welcome any way.) No, they say that in order to be saved you need to give the church money, and there "audits" (which for those of you who don't know are kind of like a catholic confession) not only cost you money, but they record the session. from what I've herd from ex-members, if you try to leave the church or don't give them money they blackmail you with your confessions.

Not only that but they have been Accused (and in some cases convicted) of crimes ranging from stealing documents from the federal government, to even murder of members who tried to leave.

This is not a religion, any more than the mafia is a religion. They are a business that preys upon the weak, and a criminal organization.

In hubbards own words. "If you want to make a lot of money, start a religion".

I erge all people interested in this debate (even members) to study long and hard both sides of the story as I have done. Do not blindly defend them because of there religious status as I first did.

Thank you to all who took the time to read this.

[edit on 13-2-2008 by Squiddypuff]

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I've known someone who dallied with what at the time they termed 'Dianetics'. They were enthusiastic, urged me to 'try it'. Obviously the encouragement didn't motivate me to do so.

The person in question next began pestering me for money .. a loan they prefaced by saying: ' I want this loan but I'll tell you up front .. I don't know if I'll ever be able to repay it'. They wanted the loan so they could continue to be 'audited' (by Dianetics aka CoS).

I declined their attempt to separate me from my own money: refused to loan (or give) it to them. They were forced to abandon their auditing sessions. I have no opinion.

I did read the biography of L.Ron Hubbard (can't remember the title but had 'Messiah' in it ...'Barefaced Messiah' ?). Interesting. Seemed to me Dianetics/CoS couldn't have got off the ground without moneyed and other influential support. My opinion: someone, group of someones etc. gave CoS a lot of help. Question is always: 'why'.

Inadvertently phoned local CoS several years ago. Didn't realise the advertisement was placed by CoS. They phoned me back .. and back .. and back. Very polite. Not 'pushy' but tenacious. Were still phoning me occasionally approx. 18 months later. Nothing objectionable in what they said. Very patient. I was less than polite on many occasions when they called. They reponded courteously. Lots of encouragement, suggestions that I should 'try them', but certainly no pressure. They get full marks on that score, or perhaps the CoS rep. I spoke to was an exception.

I never did take them up on their invitation to pursue their religion.

General opinion seems to be that CoS is about money and control.

But then, I regard most religions to be the same in that respect.

Religion has been bastardised .. by all the major players.

I don't regard CoS to be any better or worse than the rest.

In my opinion, there's an ongoing campaign on the part of at least one major player (itself heavily addicted to money and control) to bring CoS into major disrepute.

Someone in this thread suggested this latest little rumpus is the result of CoS having a 'falling out' with that major player.

Which, to be honest, tends me to be more charitable to CoS than I would normally be.

Even though personally, I suspect that other major player to possibly have bankrolled CoS initially.

Yes, people do like drama. The young, especially .. and those who've remained 'young'. People enjoy feeling they're 'part of something' .. especially something 'righteous' or at least a cause that can successfully be portrayed as such. Provides an outlet for their inherent angst. Add the excitement of a 'major happening'. Friends to be made. Guys (or girls) to be met. The 'bonding' to be experienced within the 'righteous fight for a cause', etc.

I agree with V.Kaminski's comment: ' .. the concept works ..'.

Is it for sale ? Can it be bought ?

I think so.

All that remains is for it to be revealed who .. in this instance .. paid for it ?

To be strongly suspected CoS already knows. I think I know. And thanks for the poster who tipped me off via his post.

Imo, it was just a minor scuffle ... a bit of dick-swinging on the part of those who financed the operation. But (again imo) the differences between to two players are insignificant: they're both in it for money and control. Sheepies the target, always.

a reply to: JollyAll

oh look at all the hubbie threads that were dead and a hubbie apologist posted on them trying to defend the whacko cult.