Using Logic and critical thinking, I can prove the existence of GOD.

Originally posted by Skunky
How can you be sure your intriguing experience was a real meeting with God and not just a psychological/medical experience that took on profound significance as a result of your faith?

How do you know that one day you though God was calling you and you shook it off as a mental chem thing, or not enough sugar, that it really was God calling you. How do you know?

Originally posted by Skunky
My example belief in fairies could have been equally real. But the subject of those beliefs is made no more real by the intensity of the belief itself.

The fact that God does exist is not made any less real by your denial of it. It works both ways.

Originally posted by Skunky
I'm sorry, I don't know how I quoted myself.

Maybe someone stepped in to try and help you????? Or was just a simple mistake, which do you believe?

Originally posted by jon1
Hi Jedimiller.

I understand where you are coming from on this topic but like so many people say, an experience does not make it real.
Cheers
John.

cheers jon. I know. I'm not trying to explain religion or anything like that. I'm just trying to make it logical for some to understand it. but I do feel that experiences make things appear to be more real. but anyways, thanks for believing in me. And in GOD. Because he's real and probably reading this as we speak.

Originally posted by jedimiller
you feel good. warm and happy

[edit on 5-11-2007 by jedimiller]

Good - endorphins. Warm - sun. Happy, endorphins and possibly that marvellous breakfast which satisfied you 10 minutes ago.

How on earth does this prove the existance of God?

Still waiting for the kicker...

Anyways,

Peace and good will,
- Naz

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hehe, nice attempt.

but in essence i agree with you.

reply to post by jedimiller


yet you haven't proven that as you claimed you had...

the logic isn't there and neither is the critical thinking. it isn't even a good attempt. it's comparing something that can be measured to something that cannot...

sorry, you lose

Originally posted by nazgarn
Good - endorphins. Warm - sun. Happy, endorphins and possibly that marvellous breakfast which satisfied you 10 minutes ago.

How on earth does this prove the existance of God?
- Naz

Well, the endorphin system doesnt work as simple as you may think. Good doesnt equal endorphins, surprisingly. I know this from experience because I used to have very little to no endorphin production, brought on unknowingly through uh, opiate dependence. But this is history, there was a very real reason at the time (lots of pain). But b/c of that, my endorphins essentially shut off when I stopped taking that supplement everyday.

Now, the reason I mention is because it was at my lowest point, not highest, that I convinced myself that God was real. my lowest amount of endorphins. And my first experiences of religion or closeness to God, praying, etc, came when I was at the bottom, with hardly any endorphins. So not only was I depressed but everything hurt.

Now at this time surely my endorphins/chemicals are looking better in the brain but my experiences never became better. I can easily differentiate between divine providence and just a natural 'high' from a good day or exercise or other endorphin production. its distinctly different..

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul


yet you haven't proven that as you claimed you had...



sorry, you lose

I admit I may have failed at my original attempt. However, that does prove something. That even when I can't prove that god exists, people are still speaking about him and believing. so in a way, I've proven my point.

God bless you.

I think he is saying existence is define by the perspective of the individual.

For something to exist might not the though of it, and the fact that that thought creates some effect on a person be enough to satisfy existence?

Or must a higher plane spiritual being actually be manifested in our normal 3d world to qualify as existing. And have to conform to scientific testing standards of non believers to qualify as existing. Note that I have to ask is it fair for non believers to define the existence of something they do not believe in?

This seems to be a symantic thing.

God Bless you all.

What is it with religious people always trying to prove that God exists? If you believe in him, then good for you, keep it that way. But let others find him for themselves

what is it about non religious people always telling us God doesn't exist, why can't they just accept we believe in him and not call us wrong, and say it is some psychological chemical thing.

[edit on 5-11-2007 by Redge777]

Originally posted by Redge777
what is it about non religious people always telling us God doesn't exist, why can't they just accept we believe in him and not call us wrong, and say it is some psychological chemical thing.

[edit on 5-11-2007 by Redge777]

And what I also don't get is that they call me religious. I never said, I was religious. We are not sick mutants who believe in crazy situations. I think it's more normal to believe in a god than not.

so redge, I gave you a star for that. and I added you to my friends list earlier.

Originally posted by jedimiller
Premise: When you are walking down the street you feel the cool air hitting your face. you look around, yet you see nothing. Air is invisible.

Conclusion: you don't see the Air, but you came to the conclusion that if you feel it in your face. it must be real. Therefore, something that you can't see has suddenly become real. And you have accepted that fact.


GOD.

Premise. When you are walking down the street on your way to church, you feel good. warm and happy. You belive in god and you know he's there watching you. and you pray to him.

Conclusion. You don't see God, but you came to the conclusion that if you Feel god, it must be real. therefore, god is real. and you have accepted that fact. The fact that, it doesn't matter if you can see something or not. But if you FEEL it. you know it's real.

[edit on 5-11-2007 by jedimiller]

So that means Santa Claus is real.
I mean if i get up on Xmas day and there are gifts under the tree and the milk and biscuits have been consumed, he is real fantastic!!!
You must have doubts in your almighty powerful being if you are resorting to trying to prove his existence to people on a forum.
I also forgot my imaginary friend is real as well because i said he is.
There are more facts supporting we were created by genetic engineering or evolution than there will ever be for the existence of an almighty being.

Originally posted by jedimiller

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul


yet you haven't proven that as you claimed you had...



sorry, you lose

I admit I may have failed at my original attempt. However, that does prove something. That even when I can't prove that god exists, people are still speaking about him and believing. so in a way, I've proven my point.

God bless you.

You are a 100% bible bashing zealot, stuck in a mind set that has no place in the modern world. You need to sort your head out. People like you in the UK get laughed so hard that you'd see the light and know even the existence of an almighty being is just laughable at the least.

Originally posted by SKUNK2
So that means Santa Claus is real.

Well Santa Claus does not love you unconditionally, did not create you, and did not send his son to die for you, so it isn't the same thing.

However, if you wanted to give Santa Claus the newer symbolism of commercialism, then add distraction from the true meaning of the celebration of Christmas, you might have a case that he is some demon inspired creation to drive people from the truth that is the love of Christ. Possibly even a demon himself, since the meaning of him coming from a man that gave gifts away has slowly been replaced by the new meaning of a sponsor of marketing and commercialism.

But hey that is a real stretch and probably is a chemical thing in the brain

I can talk about the Easter Bunny to

[edit on 5-11-2007 by Redge777]

Originally posted by SKUNK2
You are a 100% bible bashing zealot, stuck in a mind set that has no place in the modern world. You need to sort your head out. People like you in the UK get laughed so hard that you'd see the light and know even the existence of an almighty being is just laughable at the least.

Wow you have some anger issues I think. Is there anything we can do to help, we will pray for you friend, for us that is a form of kindness we offer. Know that when he does reveal himself to you he will show you his love. It really is cool.

God Bless.

Originally posted by Redge777

Originally posted by SKUNK2
You are a 100% bible bashing zealot, stuck in a mind set that has no place in the modern world. You need to sort your head out. People like you in the UK get laughed so hard that you'd see the light and know even the existence of an almighty being is just laughable at the least.

Wow you have some anger issues I think. Is there anything we can do to help, we will pray for you friend, for us that is a form of kindness we offer. Know that when he does reveal himself to you he will show you his love. It really is cool.

God Bless.

The only issues i have is with bible bashing zealots like you. Religion has no place in the modern world. Religion is just used to control and scare weak mided fools like you who are scared of nothing happening when you die.
How come religion was invented a little while after the Sumerian civilisation faded away???

Originally posted by DragonsDomain
What is it with religious people always trying to prove that God exists? If you believe in him, then good for you, keep it that way. But let others find him for themselves

It's actually the disbelievers that always challenge us to "prove" it, and say theres no "evidence" , you know.. just to spite us a bit.

But no.. theyre entirely correct. It is literally impossible to prove the existence of God scientifically, until God itself reveals.

This is why Faith even exists, and Free will as well. Prove god, and you remove faith and free will of belief.

Originally posted by SKUNK2

The only issues i have is with bible bashing zealots like you. Religion has no place in the modern world. Religion is just used to control and scare weak mided fools like you who are scared of nothing happening when you die.
How come religion was invented a little while after the Sumerian civilisation faded away???

Uhh.. it sounds like you have an issue with religious people, and religion. Clearly your opinions are stated here bluntly, and are in direct opposition to the opinions of those who do practice religions and believe in God, etc.

I think if you admitted to yourself openly that you flatly dislike or even despise Religion and Followers of Religion, you'd have 100% transparency, but as of right now you are still somewhat in denial for fear of being seen as a hatemonger. It's okay, theres much worse than hatemongers around here, let your feelings be known! be proud!

you should go outside and scream at the top of your human lungs that God isnt real and Religion is crap and all people who believe in it are stupid!

LET IT BE KNOWN .. dont try to come off as a "nice, disagreeing person" when your opinions are of the more radical nature. radical opinions are okay, they change the world, I have quite a few of them myself.

My main point in addressing you: Have no shame in your hatred of Me & God; God loves you anyway.

[edit on 11/5/2007 by runetang]