Originally posted by intrepid
1- What is your goal here at ATS? To gain some new info, further understanding?
Concerning 9/11 to get a wide range of views and arguments from both sides. And yes maybe to find the last peace of puzzle that nails the case.
But it more looks like there are many peaces.
2- To reinforce what you already believe?
More like to discover holes and overseens.
Lastly it should not be a case of arguments and believes but of logic nature laws and proof. That's the way I seek. You know you can not cheat the
physics forexample and as long as there is no sort of other proof (a confession, documents etc) definitive proof can only come from nature law side.
However did a model someone made enclose and consider really everthing that plays a role here and with the correct datas? That's where the
I made my own calculations once and posted it here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
But have seen that this is maybe the wrong place for such.
I can summorize it in simple words again:
The result was the same as you already heard from others: not enough energie to pulverize the concret. You should know that I didn't aim at the
energy question but my intension was simple to calculate the lower physical possible collapse time limit nothing more or less. The missing energy came
out as a side result.
Next to the energie question it also showed an interesting dependency of collapse time to the precentage of pulverized concret left.
In short: you can eighter have 95% pulverized conrect OR a fast collapse time of about 13 sec BUT NOT both! (note not 11 sec as NIST tells you, but at
least 13sec what is mor elike what you can observe)
However I am sure not freed from doing faults and so I self do not take this as the final proof. Who knows if I and others didnt make a misstake
somewhere that lead to the missing energy result? However it sure put my views a big step toward the conspiratists. You can not break nature law's
(only applay them wrong or feed with wrong datas) and if energy is missing than energy is missing, a physical fact and end of proof. In what form
ever additional energy could be brought in is then irrelevant.
Well there are other signs that shows that energy is missing everywhere I forexample read from ATS: molten steel, heat over weeks the 'meteorit in
3- Further an agenda? I've see that in many forums.
no agenda. except my own. To gather information. A disscusion strong 'oponents' is very good because it can helps you detect own and faulty
assumptions. Lastly if you think you have a truth, and counter arguments fail to break it (viewed from all positions), then you can be more sure that
it holds waters and maybe simple is the truth.
4- This is a very important topic, do you care to add to gaining info on it or continue on a game of chess? "My pawn takes your pawn."
I sit back and observe the chess. I once thought 9/11 is very importand because it could be repeated and used for the next war. But I see that the
next war is already on it's way also without a second such event.
The Truth of 9/11 will someone be revaled. The only thing I worry that it could be delayed because of a too sudden movement on a unsolide base.
True all the many and fro normal human strong enough argument 'hint's yes even screems to inside job. But I fear that will not be enough when it
comes to a confrontation. As in curt I think you should be ready to proof it. What when you are wrong!?
On the other side..it already tooks a lot too long. 6 Years!
Heck from day 1 on the collapse of especially the north tower screemed to me impossible. Nighter the collaps could have started nor the collaps could
have happened all down and in that speed according to my knowledge then. I already wondered then, how long till this for at least me very anormal
behaviour will be serious disscused. I had expected a lot to come forward with considerations and calculations concerning that collapse. It was
dissapointing to see not even NIST came up with such a calculation thought that had clearly belong to their job. Their 'report' is for the trash.
[edit on 2-11-2007 by g210b]