The Conspiracy of The California Wildfires

This is what I was talking about. But all you debunkers haven't even read it.

The fact is, that was changed, after I posted it. I checked the date. I knew about the fires that killed the firefighters. They changed it just enough.

But I wouldn't expect you to believe that.

FEMA seems to be creating little communities for the displaced and poor all over the country now.

According to reports, in San Bernardino, John Rund, of Hesperia, and Anthony Riperti, of Redlands, have both been charged with separate counts of arson. In San Diego, an Gorgonio Nava and a juvenile have been arrested for allegedly starting a fire.
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Nobody cares who these people are. Everyone wants to jump down my throat for pointing out the facts.

This is written.



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2007-10-24, 6:17PM PDT


FBI just announced they arrested John Alfred Rund, 48, for arson in just one of the fires in Los Angeles. Rund is a known member of the National Socialist Movement and the Minutemen, both known terrorist organizations. The FBI also announced they are looking for multiple arsonist suspects in what is being called the largest terrorist plot to hit California to date. The fires have caused the destruction of at least 1400 homes and so far 3 billion dollars in damages.

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Don't worry there, S.O.Bilisbobby, you are in safe hands.

yeah the guy that was on the motorcycle. well if hes part of a terrorism group. that just says its domestic terrorism not Al Queda related.(although one day they might try to work in harmony) remember the Oklahoma bombing? that was domestic. i do give you credit for doing your homework StompK. but what you stated supports the fact that the fires are not government conspired. I do beleive we have discruntled americans who set fires, blow up buildings, do school shootings, and just about anything else under the sun to hurt other americans cuz their mad at the world. sorry to debunk you or jump down ya throat but thats what happens when start a topic of discussion thats controversial.

facts they may be, but facts related to support your theory they're not

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Haven't even shown the good stuff yet. Just want to see who knows what.

Originally posted by S.O.Blilbobby
I do beleive we have disgruntled americans who set fires, blow up buildings, do school shootings...

Maybe they set fires, but it's the gub'mint that's behind the blowing-up buildings/school shooting events.

hey stomp, really enjoying this thread amigo. I am not sold yet but very nearly! would not suprise me at all if the top dogs had a part in this. They are always looking to tighten the stanglehold. Any mo good info bro? peace

Has anyone called the police departments to check to see if they have any of the arsonists in custody? I did.

Remember, we have names. We have one picture of the dead guy, conveniently killed.

We have the FBI asking for pictures from people. They want to make sure evidence is supressed.

We have pictures and video of firefighters that don't exist. And engine numbers that don't exist.

Try to find engine no. ME-301 of the San Bernadino County fire dept. It doesn't exist. Yet we have video of one with that no. With 3 firefighters standing there watching it burn, no sweating, no rolling up hoses, no soot on face, no other firefighters in the area.

I'm talking about Adam Housleys Blog, specifically pg. 2.

First thing on that page is Ryan Rinaldo, who doesn't exist, except for one entry about his company called Rinaldo Water Tenders. That is the link to Colleen Hightower (USDA), who is married to Jack Hightower, Head Mason in Texas right now.

Then, if you scroll down the page, you see an article labeled "Hero Firefighters" and a video.

The video is what is interesting. First of, Ryan Beckers (paramedic) is shown.
When Adam says his name, who looks up kinda funny. Then the camera pans around to the other two firefighters.

One guy is Capt Greg Griffin. The other is kinda hiding his face, and his name is Mike Murphy, (engineer). Capt. Griffin gives an angry glare at the camera. Then the shot cuts to them leaving. The engine number is ME-301.

First off, ME-301 doesn't exist, from the info I can find.
Second, Capt Greg Griffin doesn't exist either, nor does Mike Murphy.

Ryan Beckers, does exist, and is a paramedic on the fire dept. The problem is, the picture I have of him from an archive, doesn't match the guy in the video.

Adam says he has more pics, and I asked him to post them. He posted my message, so we'll see if he posts them. It's obvious he's digging into this too.

At least some of us are.



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Then we have the arsonist, John A. Rund, who doesn't exist, except for a bulding permit for $15,000 worth of work on a supposedly defunct mini-mart that doesn't exist.
According to his "friend" at the trailer where Mr. Rund has supposed to have lived, John had been down on his luck, recently divorced, etc.

According to the builing dept record, John lives in WA. The address given, doesn't exist. Exept, if you change the name of the town. Everything else is the same, even the zip code.

A person at that address exists, named Gregory Rund, who supposedly has owned a marketing company since 1979, that doesn't exist.

There is a possible connection there to Attorney General Jane Rund. Can't make the link for sure though.


John Rund also ows a company, according to the building permit, called Summit Valley Corp..

Summit Valley Corp, also filed a permit for a restaurant at the SilverWood Country Store, on Lake Arrowhead.

When I called the Silverwood Country Store, what I got was a lady surprised at me asking about John Rund. She said he owned a store down the street called Binky's.

Actually, John's store isn't even on the same street, according to the building permit. And the name is Summit Valley Store.

Also, in the background of the phone conversation, sounded like a command center. So I thought this may be where the fire was being commanded from or something,

Adam, I believe, showed a burned out hull of a place, where this was supposed to be.

Now if anyone out there in CA wants to physically go check this out, and report back to us, that would greatly be appreciated.

If they can show the place is there, and everything is normal, I will drop the research.

So I guess the real firefighters aren't very happy with the Governments response, according to the following article.

"We are overwhelmed with bureaucratic regulations and the spotters are the best example of that," said U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Huntington Beach. "In a time of crisis, the rules did not serve our country well ... the bureaucrats lost picture of what their mission is, to protect the citizens."

The fingerpointing ensued after The Associated Press reported Thursday that nearly two dozen military helicopters, including those from the Marines, Navy and California National Guard, stayed grounded for at least a day after several wildfires broke out because of bureaucracy, including rules that so-called "fire spotters" must be on board each helicopter. Spotters were not available for all the aircraft ready to fight the fire. Fire officials ultimately abandoned the rule, but only after more than 1,000 homes had been destroyed.

The AP also reported that two of the California National Guard's C-130 cargo planes couldn't help because they've yet to be outfitted with tanks needed to carry thousands of gallons of fire retardant, though that was promised four years ago.
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Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger acknowledged Saturday that it appeared the firefighting effort could have been more effective if enough so-called "fire spotters," also called helicopter managers, had been available to launch the aircraft.
Fox News Oct 29, 2007

I'm sure Arnie will be looking into that alright.

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And of course, the fake Federal FEMA New Conference headed by Vice Adm. Harvey E. Johnson, Jr. who is directly appointed by Michael Chertoff, who is directly appointed by President Bush.

he Federal Emergency Management Agency apologized for the event, but protested that it was not intended to deceive. FEMA announced the news conference with 15 minutes' notice and provided an 800 number for reporters, but it was not set up to take questions. When no reporters showed up, FEMA provided stand-ins to ask questions and a video feed. Several channels broadcast parts of the event live.
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So by now, hopefully people are waking up to the fact that there is a coverup that casts suspicions at the highest level.

I must make one note.

Had Adam Housley not broke this story, how many more homes may have been lost?

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Originally posted by stompk
This is what I was talking about. But all you debunkers haven't even read it.

The fact is, that was changed, after I posted it. I checked the date. I knew about the fires that killed the firefighters. They changed it just enough.

But I wouldn't expect you to believe that.

What was changed? The date? The date (10/27/2006 that's twothousandSIX) is correct. The area mentioned in the article (Poppet Flat) burnt in 2006, not last week.
The dead firefighters mentioned in the article died in the fire last year, not last week.
Please explain what was changed, and what makes you think, the Fox News article you linked to, refers to the fires of last week.

Originally posted by stompk
We have pictures and video of firefighters that don't exist. And engine numbers that don't exist.



First off, ME-301 doesn't exist, from the info I can find.
Second, Capt Greg Griffin doesn't exist either, nor does Mike Murphy.

Unfortunately, I don't have as much time available to run checks on all names and fire engines, but one quick check on the SB County Fire Dept website mentions engineer Michael Murphy as having received an award in 2006:
www.sbcfire.org... (May 31, 2006)

The Harris fire is what the original article was talking about. The date that the following article is talking about is 10/23/07. There were four firefighters killed in this blaze, that is being covered up.

It was 3 men, and one woman. These were the bodies found in the desert, that no one seemed to care about, because they wrote them off as illegal aliens.

They were found in the area of Portrero, which is where the Harris fire took place.

Pay close attention to the wording of the following excerpt.

Wagstaff and his crew arrived at the Harris Fire about 20 minutes after it started on Sunday, Oct. 21, near the U.S.-Mexican border in Potrero. The seven firefighters flying with Wagstaff quickly starting digging containment lines after he dropped them off near the origin of the fire.

Wagstaff is a contract pilot with the U.S. Forest Service who works for Kachina Aviation. This is his third fire season in San Diego County, where he works from May through November from the Ramona Air Attack Base.

With his crew on the ground, Wagstaff started picking up water from nearby ponds and dropping it on flames, brush and homes. The Santa Ana winds were fierce, but Wagstaff has 23 years of experience fighting wildfires from the sky. He was concerned, mostly because of the winds, but he was busy, calm.

It was just after noon when Cal Fire Chief Ray Chaney, the air commander above the Harris Fire, pulled Wagstaff and another helicopter pilot off the fire.

“Ahhhh! Ahhhhh! Ahhhhh!” is what Chaney said he heard on his radio from the firefighters on the ground.

“They were these very short bursts,” Chaney recalled. “Just this primal scream.”
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OK, so Wagstaff dropped of his crew, and Chaney called him off the fire??

What about his crew?

Wagstaff, doesn't feel like a hero, because he knows the truth.

I wouldn't feel like a hero either.

This is why Schwartzenegger ordered the flags at half staff on 10/25/07

The article goes on to tell some bogus story about a rescue, naming one firefighter, and a civilian, not mentioning the other fours names.

5 fire fighters.

Now they have some kid, as the arsonist.

But we have 4 arsonists captured, and one killed.

Where is the news about them.

And they are looking for a white 1998-2003 Ford pickup.

I saw six of these yesterday in my hometown of 10,000.

1000's are still homeless out there,
because our government set their houses on fire and no one cares.

I'm discouraged at the lack of courage.

This isn't about some conspiracy nutcase.

This is about good against evil.

And God is watching.


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So, some scary stuff is coming out of the woodwork, about the fires.

An excerpt from Randi Rhodes;

but it is all so bizarre that this is America and you have to sort of sit there and wonder … arson, same place Blackwater West wants to be, people protesting. And then you find out that some of the guys that used to work for Blackwater are now in Schwarzenegger’s administration. It’s all so creepy.

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And then I see the thread about Arnie supporting biological spraying of American Citizens.

So, Adam Housley has been communicating with me to some degree by posting answers to some of my posts. He hasn't posted all of my questions, nor answered all of them. But he is listening.

He seems to lean towards accepting the little boy arson bs and not focusing on John Rund.

So, I just asked him this question.

"Adam,
the guy was caught setting a fire.

The reason the fire didn't grow, was because there were people to put it out.

Isn't it logical, that we would look into this guy as possibly starting other fires, he just didn't get caught?

Why, is it, that everyone is so quick to write this off as "non-incidental"?"

We'll see if he posts my question, or answers it.

And the story dies.

Just like they wanted.

Too bad, could've had em this time.

People supporting behind the scenes, not stepping into the open.

Shame.

Well, dug a bunch of other stuff up, looking into this story, so maybe that was the purpose.

"deliberately setting fires on lands removed from private
ownership and “entrusted” to the government."

and now they can Use the land for any thing they like.
it is no longer a old wood land.
or some thing like that.