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The Kingmaker Plot

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posted on Oct, 21 2007 @ 07:35 PM

Towards the end of the 15th Century, evidence suggests that there was a secret society operated in the North East of Scotland by the Lairds, led by the Earls of Huntly. This group was very involved in the politics of Scotland having been active in the assassination of the Bonny Earl of Moray in 1592. Later references in Privy Records refer to an organisation called the Band of the Boys led by Gordon of Gight, an ancestor of the notorious Lord Byron. This was an illegal group with its own set of Rules that had been in existence for quite a number of years. Regrettably throughout the generations they had become very much a law unto themselves and had essentially become a band of Upper-class outlaws.

The leader of this group in 1715 was Lord George Keith, Earl Marishal, who formed it into a very active intelligence unit to aid the Stuart cause. He also helped set up other similar organisations in both England and France, being "The Knights of St Thomas Acon" and the "Realm of Sion". He is credited by some with the re-introduction of the Knights Templar into Scotland about this time, and there is sufficient evidence linking some 18th Century Preceptories to this date to tenuously support this assertion. These organisations supplied the necessary intelligence to help plan the abortive 1745 uprising.....


The Highlanders of Kintore and the Kingmaker Plot

There can be only one, is the motto. But first there must be two, and two men on a horse.

the Maiden Stone of Garioch
You can see it here.
Note that the area to the east is all blocked off. And this is blocked by google earth and all the others besides MS.

Under the earlier Capetian sovereigns the seneschal was the second person in the kingdom.

The man behind the man who created the King James Bible- George Keith, 5th [4th] Earl Marischal, steward during is childhood, and proxy for his later marriage.

While sending the knights out around the world with the English Knights they prepared everyone for the comng king with the new bible.

In the 17th century the Prieuré Note Dame de Sion was renamed to become the Order of the Realm of Sion, and was affiliated to the Stewart Royal Society - a scientific academy in Britain. The exiled King James VII of Scots (James II of England) succeeded to the Grand Mastership in 1689, at which time the Order became exclusively Jacobite.

The Grand Mastership has been held ever since by King James's heirs, with various Regents deputizing after the Stewarts were exiled in 1688.

We start with the Jaobite King, Grand Master of the Realm of Sion in France,

It is not clear when and where Keith was initiated into Freemasonry. Sources present no veritable information about his Masonic activities before coming to Russia or after his appointment as the Provincial Grand Master during his stay in London from February 1740 till May 1741: on 28 March 1740 James Keith, "Esq; Lieutenant General in the Service of Russia" was present at the meeting "with the Masters and Wardens of fifty-eight lodges in the Devils's Tavern [when] John Keith, Earl of Kintore, was elected the Grand Master."

The Grand Master of England, John Keith, Earl of Kintore

there is better agreement that Freemasonry in Russia began with the flamboyant Lord James Keith (1696 - 1758), a descendent from Scottish nobility, banished in 1715 for his support of the Stuart Pretender. He served in the Spanish Army, before moving to Russia in 1728 with the recommendation of Phillip V, and by the early 1740's was a leading Russian (sic) Army General. The Russian Empress Anna appointed him as the military governor of the Ukraine. But, importantly for our story, Keith was made Provincial Grand Master of Russian Freemasonry in 1740 by the Grand Master of England who also happened to be Keith's Cousin. Captain John Phillips had been appointed to this office for Russia in 1731, but there is no evidence to suggest he ever exercised it.
The minutes of the premier Grand Lodge of England for 24 June 1731 record:
"Then the Grand Master and his General Officers signed a Deputation for our Rt. Worshipful Brother John Phillips Esqr. to be Grand Master of free and accepted Masons within the Empires of Russia and Germany and Dominions and Territories thereunto belonging, and his health was drank wishing Prosperity to the Craft in those parts" (Batham, Transactions, p.34).

And Grand Master of both Russia and Germany, James Keith.

His brother George Keith, 10th Earl Marischal, being close advisor to the Frederick the Great, King of Germany, and Diplomat to Paris.


Britain, Germany, Russia, and France, All ruled by the hidden hands of the Jacobite King, then went to war........

[edit on 21-10-2007 by Malichai]

posted on Oct, 21 2007 @ 07:44 PM
I wish you'd actually put together a coherent thought in your threads. It isn't clear at all what your trying to say and just seems like you posting a load of rubbish.

Please, elaborate IN YOUR OWN WORDS, what it is you are talking about?

posted on Oct, 21 2007 @ 08:03 PM
reply to post by stumason

A plot, centuries old, Employing the Knights Templar and Masons, with the intention of crowning a single King over all of Europe and the world.

I thought this was the forum for conspiracy research threads? You need to start somewhere, but if I start at the beginning people would get lost along the way.

So I'm beinning at the point where the leaders of Freemasonry in the largest nations of Europe are all family with a special relationship. The Great Marischal[Marshall], in Scotland, was second only to the King. It is this duality of the monarchy that allowed the plot to progress so far for so long.

Before King James, the so-called Pretender, was forced into exile preparations were already underway for him and his ancestors to go through all of Europe killing off the competing monarchies.

posted on Oct, 21 2007 @ 09:21 PM
Ok.... Starting from the middle is not usually a good place to go from..


Franz Bonaventura Adalbert Maria Herzog von Bayern, the current Jacobite heir, neither claims the throne and, during WW2, he and his family were imprisoned by the Nazi's in Dachau concentration camp. So, bearing this in mind, I doubt there is a centuries old scheme to "wipe out the competing monarchies" or, if there is, it certainly isn't going very well.

Unless, of course, you could do us all a favour and start from the beginning and outline your thoughts, instead of what you say is the middle and posting a bunch of obscure links and pictures without any substantial input from yourself.

posted on Oct, 22 2007 @ 10:00 PM
reply to post by stumason

Thank you for the motherly hand, but like I said I am not done yet. This is far to big to throw it all out at once. I'm trying to break it down.

The veil must be lifted. So, I'll tell a little story. Then I'll give you the big picture.

Then we move to other times and places with different people and other important artifacts.

As for the Jacobites they lived like Kings among the holocaust of Jews and came out smelling pretty nice after the fact. And I'm not saying Franz is the one. Close, but not quite.

The Hidden Hands Shake

James Keith, Knight of the Russian Empire, fights his cousin Fife vizier Kirk, Knight the Ottoman Empire

"When all was concluded they rose to separate, but just before leaving,the grand vizier suddenly went to Marischal Keith and, taking him cordially by the hand, declared in the broadest Scotch (sic) dialect that it made him ’unco’ happy to meet a countryman in his exalted station.

Knight of Russia, James Keith captures Sweden

In 1741 Sweden declared war on Russia, a Swedish army invaded Eastern Karelia, but was quickly defeated.

Upon bis return to Russia, Keith received the one-year governorship of Ukraine in 1741, actively participated in the Swedish campaign as the commander-in-cbief of the Russian forces and minister-plenipotentiary to Sweden for a year...

The Knight of Germany Captures Austria

The War of Austrian Succession 1741-1748

Knight of Russia becomes Knight of Germany

Francis Edward James Keith, Grand Sovereign Master Mason of both Russia and Germany, Governor of Berlin, Commander German Army
Judging, however, that his rewards were not commensurate with his merits, he in 1747 offered his services to Frederick II of Prussia, who at once gave him the rank of field marshal, in 1749 made him governor of Berlin, and soon came to cherish towards him, as towards his brother, the 10th Earl Marischal, a strong personal regard.

The plot now has advanced to the planned point before the Seven Years War. It starts to get much more complex after this point so I'll end now with a map before moving backwards to fill in the holes.

You won't find this in your history books because the names of the nations and the lines in the sand are not whats important.

posted on Oct, 22 2007 @ 10:03 PM
Maybe not the most coherent OP ever, but I think this theory does have *some* merit. Scottish Rite Freemasonry, after all. I don't think the Masons are sinister, but it does at least make me wonder what's going on. This is more like a gen conspiracy thread and not SW.

posted on Oct, 22 2007 @ 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Malichai
reply to post by stumason

A plot, centuries old, Employing the Knights Templar and Masons, with the intention of crowning a single King over all of Europe and the world.

I thought this was the forum for conspiracy research threads? You need to start somewhere, but if I start at the beginning people would get lost along the way.

So I'm beinning at the point where the leaders of Freemasonry in the largest nations of Europe are all family with a special relationship. The Great Marischal[Marshall], in Scotland, was second only to the King. It is this duality of the monarchy that allowed the plot to progress so far for so long.

Before King James, the so-called Pretender, was forced into exile preparations were already underway for him and his ancestors to go through all of Europe killing off the competing monarchies.

A plot like this with no fast speed communication its self would be hard if not impossible ..

However, your claim that there is a plot within Masonry to take over all of Europe and to establish a king is unfounded. Even if we consider that what you say is true, it would appear that he high-jacked Masonry for his own benefit, however, it could also be said that if he was the Grand Master of both lodges, which is odd in its self, over Germany AND Russia, what does that have to do with his political maneuvering? Kings didn't meet with Masons, even Grand Masters, for counciling.

It would also appear that this guy has been everywhere. And everywhere he goes he is royalty in different courts, or leading armies of various nations as a general .. Tell me what does Russia want with a Spanish general? How many languages did this guy speak?

Then it appears his family is royalty in all of Europe, even in the Ottoman Empire. not impossible, but not at all probable.. not so wide spread and impotrant, if it where the case the family already would have controlled the continent..

Grand Sovereign Master Mason of both Russia and Germany, Governor of Berlin, Commander German Army

Not to mention past commander of the Spanish Army, Russian Army, Governor of Ukraine, Grand Marshal of Scotland, and the knight of various other things.

Busy man?

I think perhaps you just need a little more time to glue things together, make it a bit more smooth because it just seems really, really, really chopped up and ever so confusing.

Not disproving your theory, asking for clarification on .. everything..

posted on Oct, 22 2007 @ 10:50 PM
reply to post by uberarcanist

I hoped the OP would be clear, it is for me, but I didn't expect others to understand it.


So lets move through space and time and look at the players, places and artifacts.

Knight of Israel

Eduard Keith-Roach, Pasha, Governor General of the Jaffa District British Occupied Palestine

Throw out the Rabbis

An old instance of this isamusingly recounted by Edward Keith-Roach in his memoir, Pasha of Jerusalem: on Yom Kippur in 1928 the rabbis set up a male/female division at the Western Wall. The Arabs complained to the governor that they had no right to do so, and he removed the structure (plus rabbis clinging to it).


Bless With Blood

1929 Hebron massacre

Rumors were spread that the Jews had killed Arabs in Jerusalem, that the Jews had burned down the Al-Aqsa mosque (supposedly this was documented with a fake photo) or that the Jews were planning to build a synagogue near the wailing wall.

"What occurred in the upper chambers of Slonim's house could be seen when we found the twelve-foot-high ceiling splashed with blood. The rooms looked like a slaughterhouse. When I visited the place in the company of Captain Marek Schwartz, a former Austrian artillery officer, the blood stood in a huge pool on the slightly sagging stone floor of the house. We stood silently contemplating the scene of slaughter when the door was suddenly flung open by a British soldier. In strolled Mr. Keith Roach, governor of the Jaffa district, followed by a colonel of the Green Howards battalion of the King's African Rifles. They took a hasty glance around that awful room, and Mr. Roach remarked to his companion, 'Shall we have lunch now or drive to Jerusalem first?'"

Israel is, after all, the center of the world.

Knight of the Pen

Michael Keith, Illegitimate Great Marischal, 13th Earl of Kintore, Baron Kintore of Inverugie, Baron Stonehaven, Viscount of Stonehaven

In 1978 the Highlander Feuds ended. By now the Crown has grown outwardly, but shrunk inwardly. What is left inside is Crown City, downtown London, the World Financial district.

"This feud lasted for over 500 years and was settled finally in the 1978's by Clans Gunn and Keith in the USA, at the urging of Clan Gunn and Clan Keith of North America, (peacefully)." Hence, the peace treaty was actually signed in the U.S.
Nancy MacCorkill, F.S.A. Scot USA
Author, Journalist, Poet,
Clans Gunn, MacLeod of Lewis, and (Marshall) Keith.

Its little secret that the Queen of England may be the Richest person in the world. Most of the assets are part of trusts like the Crown Corporation and the Club of the Isles. Today at the Devils Hole, the Temple Inns, there are bunch of Knights running around in suits.

Lords/Judges - Esquire/Lawyers - Bankers - Accountants - Presidents

They manage the wealth of the royalty of all Europe. Many years ago just the voting rights of what could be seen was over $40 trillion and maybe millions of square miles of land. [Today the US national debt is ~ $9 trillion]

They all fear one man, the one with effective veto power over world industry and finance.

The Earl of Kintore was one of the select and most esteemed Scottish Chiefs, who known as Camus Slayer, was a Knight in the Kingdome of Raknar.
The Earl was a farmer in Aberdeenshire and President of the Institute of Certified Bookkeepers. The late Earl was active in the House of Lords as an Independent sitting on the Cross Benches. Until just recently, the Earl sat on the House of Lords for many years.


The Fortress

This is just a story, right?

A story put together from movies and books. Ones the Bookkeeper lets you see?

A librarian is a sort of Bookkeeper. The most secret books must be kept safe, and not just words on paper. Other artifacts and persons will need protections if you hope to win by attacking yourself.

You need a Stronghold where you can drink Grog in style while making the 300 look like a bunch of Japanese School Girls.

Dunnottar Castle


You couldn't pile the bodies high enough.....

When Cromwell came to capture the Crown Jewels it was the last place in Scotland flying the flag.

The Oath
Ritual for the Degree Heredom of Kilwinning
Tirshatha: What is the highest and most sublime Degree of Masonry?
SGG: The Royal Order of Heredom of Kilwinning is so named.
Tirshatha: Where was that Order first established ?
SGG: On the holy top of Mount Moriah in the Kingdom of Judea.
Tirshatha: Where was it afterwards re-established ?
SGG: At Icolmkill, and afterwards at Kilwinning, where the King of Scotland first sat as Grand Master.

....You promise now....That you will always keep,
guard and conceal,
In time to come you never will reveal
Either to Master Mason, Fellow Craft or Apprentice
Of St. John’s Order, what our grand intent is

A plot this size requires dedicated people who can run on both sides of the fence while keeping their mouth shut.

[edit on 22-10-2007 by Malichai]

posted on Oct, 23 2007 @ 11:22 AM
Camus Slayer
What was, is what was written, as recorded by the victors. Sometimes these words can grow together and the people who form a nation emerge from the books. Religions may birth when Books of Nations unite under a book of heros, like Jesus in the Bible. And what of the Book of Truth?

Under this system the ruler of the world is the LIBRARIAN.

The Librarian is charged both with infoming the varied people what they must know and hiding away from them the things that they must not know. The problem is that Book of one nation, the one the people need, sits right next to the book of another nation, a book that the people must never read.


Good thing librarians can read all of the books. But its not good if the people can. But where do the people get the books if they want to learn a new language and read the secret book?

Like all books of nations the Bible and other Holy Books are written in a sort of Code. This changes depending on the Language of the reader. What the words mean to one group, raised on little books of language, will mean something else to another group.
Today different Highlander Clans will tell you a different story about what happened yesterday, and the further you go back the worse it gets. You can see them in Braveheart waving papers while shouting mindlessly.
The recently departed Bookkeeper, the 13th Earl of Kintore, resolved the ancient Highlander Feuds and was called Camus Slayer. So, for the moment, we'll accept what is to be accepted.
See what the Bookkeepr wants you to see, Oke?

From their origin in Germany, down to 1778 Including a narrative of the Military Achievements of JAMES FRANCIS EDWARD KEITH, Field-Marshal in Prussia, &c. ALSO, A FULL AND CIRCUMSTANTIAL ACCOUNTOF ALL THE Attained Scottish Noblemen,Who lost their titles and estates in 1715 and 1745, For their adherence to the Stuart cause.
By P. BUCHAN, Author of the Recreation of Leisure Hours, Annals of Peterhead, &c.

Here we find Robert, Prince of the Chatti, hereditary King of the assimilarted Picts, and Chief of the Highlander Clans.
The Highlander King
The Lowlander King, King of the Scots, is having trouble with Viking invaders. Their leader, a Giant named Camus, reputed to be more than eight feet tall, was Marischal of these Norse invaders. The King of the Scots calls on the King of the Picts to help him, and he does by slaying the Giant and driving out the foreign occupiers.
Scotland is united. People from the Highlands and the Lowlands may now marry and soon after immigration and migration was allowed. The King of the Scots became King over all and the King of the Highlanders became Kings Marischal.

King + Marischal = Monarchy
Looking into other books we see the Catti in coins and paper.
THE PHOENICIAN Origin of Britons Scots & Anglo-Saxons
BY L. A. Waddell [Lawrence Austine Waddell]

Chapter XVI
Confirming Hitto-Phoenician Origin of the "Catti" and "Cassi" Coins of Pre-Roman Britain
"His [the Khaitiya's1] sources of subsistence are Arms and the Protection of the Earth. The Guardianship of the Earth is his special province. . . . By intimidating the bad and cherishing the good, the (Khattiya) ruler who maintains the discipline of the different tribes secures whatever region he desires.-- Vishnu Purana Epic2

Going back further in these books we see the Catti [Chatti] coming over from Germany.
AD: Battle of Teutonberg Forest: King Arminius of the Chatti kills a Roman general and escapes into the Teutonberg forest. Rome sends an army, calvary, and ships over German lakes and discover bleached bones of dead Roman soldiers in forest groves. The Roman army moves toward Gaule, where they think Arminius is, and are killed by quicksand and drowning. Surviving soldiers are paid off, sent home, and honored with a feast of bravery. The losing Roman general is poisoned.

How deep does the rabbit hole go?

Professor Waddell in his map of Eastern Asia gives western Media as the home of the Guti or Catti, which name we have seen is a derivation of Gadil or Gad, and therefore either men of Gad or Judah or both, as we have seen they formed the backbone of the growing power of Media.
This was the period of Zoroaster or Zarathustra, who was undoubtedly a Catti ro Israelite and who introduced the Bel-fire worship of the Catti from the Phoenician homeland into Ariana, the Persia of later days. Zoroaster taught the existence of one God, the cretor of all things, to whom all things belong. Zoroaster ’ s faith was a religion of righteousness or “ Asha, ” from which is derived the word Asia. Like the Phoenicians, he and his followers worshiped God through His visible symbol, the Sun, from which the Parsee religin developed which stillsurvives in India until today.

Where does the word God come from? The Bookkeeper?

posted on Oct, 23 2007 @ 12:14 PM
If you asked the Librarian who God is

HE just might say ME

Four bars of gold, three stripes of blood, two men on a horse, and one king over them all

posted on Oct, 23 2007 @ 05:43 PM
reply to post by Rockpuck

Sounds like your missing Something.

ATTN: Spelling Nazis and Thread Police

I have not mis-spelled any-thing

Punctuation is optional

Viewers be advised

The Sword and the Stone ~ The Words and the Tones

posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 06:55 PM
Two Men on a Horse

Knight Templar Seal

Why are there two men on a horse?

Because there was no need for them to carry three.

Battle of Saint Tears

Battle of Allt Nan Gamhna - also known as St. Tears
But using the words of author Sir Charles MacKinnon of Dunakin, "the Keith's played a dirty trick mounting two men on each horse.", giving them a 2 to 1 advantage over the Gunns.
Whilst the brooch and arms were stolen, the misunderstanding that this is why the Gunn's do not currently have a chief is mistaken. But that's another story.

Be Convincing.

Make them believe!

The Order of Masonry was instituted by Godfrey de Bouillon, in Palestine, in 1330, after the defeat of the Christian armies, and was communicated only to a few French Masons, some time afterwards, as a reward for the services which they had rendered to the English and Scottish Knights. From these latter true Masonry is derived. Their Mother Lodge is situated on the mountain of Heredom, where the first Lodge in Europe was held, which still exists in all its splendor. The Council General is always held here, and it is the seat of the Sovereign Grand Master for the time being. This mountain is situated between the West and the North of Scotland, sixty miles from Edinburgh.

Much more....

Masonry: Born in Jerusalem, and raised in Europe before finally settling in Scotland at Mount Heredom in Kilwinning, Lodge Number Zero.

But, of course, the hidden story of what happened will not come from 'them', even if they knew themselves.

From left to right; Lord of Douglas - King Robert the Bruce - Kings brother Edward Bruce, Earl of Carrick - The Great Marischal

By Mark Churms
Prints available here

On The Last day of the Battle of Bannockburn, the King of Scots Robert Bruce "King of Scots", in his great helm, chain mail and mounted on his galloping warhorse, charges with his heavy knights against the disintegrating English Army of Edward II.

If you saw the movie Braveheart you should have expected to see this scene after the Scots victory at the battle of Bannockburn. But the movie was designed to make you forget by remembering. Yes, the focus was on the hero, but not because he was an important figure beyond his appeal to the masses. Something greater was happening and he was just as much a victim.

Moving along in history....King Edward I represented the Vatican. His power came from the Pope. Before, during and after his defeat the church had infiltrated Scotland via the Knights Templar. The persecution of KT was showmanship creating a dichotomy and allowing them to enter into areas where the Catholic Church could not. But it backfired. the KT threw in their hat with Robert which placed them under the power of the Great Marischal who was commander of the Knights. At Bannockburn they were forced to ride in front of the Great Marischal in the charge against the archers depleting their numbers.

Then came the Crusade.

In 1330 Scottish Templars led by Sir James Douglas set out for the Levant with the heart of Robert Bruce, reaching Spain before falling in battle against the Moslem invaders of Europe.

Much more....

What does brave heart mean?

In Spain, the Spanish King asked if they would help him fight the Moors, and in 1330 at Tebas de Ardales, the Scots found themselves completely cut off and surrounded with no hope of escape. Forming up for one last charge, James Douglas threw the silver casket containing the heart of Bruce into the midst of the Moors shouting, "Lead on brave heart as thou was ever want to do. Douglas will follow." The Scots followed their leader's heart.


But how did the Bruce Heart return to Scotland?

A Norman named Hervey later married the heiress of Marbhachair and received charter for the lands of Keth from King David I in 1150. Hervey's son was made Marischal of the King of Scots in 1176. The Marischal, was custodian of the Royal regalia and was to protect the King at Parliament

Robert the Bruce bestowed Halforest in Aberdeenshire to Robert de Keth in 1308. Here the Keiths built their castle. Sir Robert's nephew was the one to return the Bruce's heart to Melrose abbey after the Douglas's death at the hands of the Moors in Spain. The Bruce also made the office of Marischall herediatry to the Keiths in 1324 in recognition of Sir Robert de Keth, calvalry commander at the Battle of Bannockburn.

These include a fine early seventeenth century monument to the Anderson family, spiro-form carvings on the exterior of the Ogee window of possible Rosicrucian significance, and the unidentified tombstone of a crusading knight. It is possible that this is a memorial to Sir William Keith, a companion of the Sir James Douglas on his campaign to take the heart of Robert the Bruce to the Holy Land. Upon the failure of that mission Keith brought back the heart of Bruce to Melrose Abbey, and the body of Douglas to St. Bride's Church, Douglas.

And now the large majority of The Knights Templar are dead, Masonry is Established, the new Monarchy is established. The few who remain are integrated into Scotish Masonry. And the Great Marischal is Hereditary King Maker.

But how many of the Keiths died in the crusade?

NONE! Not even the Great Marischal.

And why? Because they killed the Templars, Douglas and all the others.

Ever see that Vampire movie with the thin woman in the tight black suit?

posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 05:35 PM
Three lines of Blood

According to early accounts, a warrior of the Chatti slew the Danish General Camus at the Battle of Barrie in 1010. For his valor, Malcolm II dipped three fingers into the blood of the slain and drew them down the shield of the warrior, thereafter named Marbhachair Chamuis, or 'Camus Slayer'. Ever since then, the chief of the Keiths has born on his arms the same three (sometimes four) red lines.
The Keith crest is a roebuck's head (usually a 10-point stag) emerging out of a Crest Coronet (notifying nobility).

I know that this is not the true origin of the Arms. It was written after the fact to hide the older Chatti origins.

The Franks emerged into recorded history in the 3rd century AD as a Germanic tribe living on the east bank of the lower Rhine River. Linguistically, they belonged to the Rhine-Weser group of Germanic-speakers. At this time they were divided into three groups: the Salians, the Ripuarians, and the Chatti, or Hessians. These branches were related to each other by language and custom, but politically they were independent tribes. In the mid-3rd century the Franks tried unsuccessfully to expand westward across the Rhine into Roman-held Gaul. In the mid-4th century the Franks again attempted to invade Gaul, and in 358 Rome was compelled to abandon the area between the Meuse and Scheldt rivers (now in Belgium) to the Salian Franks. During the course of these drawn-out struggles the Franks were gradually influenced by Roman civilization. Some Frankish leaders became Roman allies (foederati) in the defense of the Roman frontier, and many Franks served as auxiliary soldiers in the Roman army.


The three lines represent how tribes are brought together and how they split when its time to expand.

The White Rose badge.

Keith Banner

posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 08:57 AM
The Flower That Blesses

Beatrice Fiori

Illegitimate Jacobite Princess.

Descendants of William the Conqueror

Descendants of Pfalzgraf von Zweibrücken, King of Bavaria

Descendants of James I, King of Scotland

Footnotes to the succession:

1. Serena Brunetti has a daughter by Vieri Fiori: Beatrice Fiori *1979. Serena and Vieri have a civil marriage union; Serena divorced her husband Vanni Pozzolini. Beatrice was born before her parents' civil marriage took place. Even if the marriage union of her parents were considered valid, it is doubtful if this would legitimate Beatrice in respect to the succession to the throne. Past precedent (e.g. the Duke of Lancaster and Katherine Swynford) would suggest that while marriage legitimates all children born to a couple before their marriage, this does not give these children a right to the throne.

Descendants of Noah, of the Ark


Bookkeeper of the Tuscany Trust

Her father, Dott. Vieri Fiori Presidente del Collegio Sindacale,


The Jacobite King
Uncle Franz Bonaventura Adalbert Maria von Wittelsbach, Grand Master of the Order of St. Hubertus, of the Military Order of Maximilian-Joseph, and of the Order of St. George, Bailiff Grand Cross of Honour and Devotion of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, and Knight of the (Austrian) Order of the Golden Fleece.


Princessin Editha of Bavaria
Granmother, Grand Dame of Hon Order of Theresia, Grand Dame Order of Saint Elisabeth

[edit on 26-10-2007 by Malichai]

posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 10:49 AM


They can see it from Stonehaven during the Bel Fire festival

But you can see it better from Dunnottar Castle

posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 05:38 PM
The Ancients

I know it has been long to get here, but simply going down the path makes it worth it, and you have the chance to get to the end of the tunnel where there is light.

Hittites, Assyrians and Egypians...
The Hittites were known to the Assyrians as Chatti, and to the Egyptians as Kheta, and their history has been very fully recovered from the records of the XVIIIth and XIXth Egyptian Dynasties, from the Tell el-Amarna Letters, from Assyrian annals and, quite recently, from copies of letters addressed to Babylonian rulers by the Hittite kings, discovered by Dr. H. Winckler in the ruins of Boghaz-keui ("the town of the pass"), the ancient Pterium in Pontus, East of the river Halys. The earliest known notice (King, Egypt and West Asia, 250) is in the reign of Saamsu-ditana, the last king of the first Babylonian Dynasty, about 2000 BC, when the Hittites marched on the "land of Akkad," or "highlands" North of Mesopotamia.
The famous poem of Pentaur gives an exaggerated account of the victory won by Rameses II at Kadesh, over the allies, who included the people of Carchemish and of many other unknown places; for it admits that the Egyptian advance was not continued, and that peace was concluded. A second war occurred later (when the sons of Rameses II were old enough to take part), and a battle was then fought at Tuneb (Tennib) far North of Kadesh, probably about 1316 BC. The celebrated treaty between Rameses II and Chattusil was then made, in the 21st year of the first named. It was engraved on a silver tablet having on the back the image of Set (or Sutekh), the Hittite god of heaven, and was brought to Egypt by Tar-Tessubas, the Hittite envoy. The two "great kings" treated together as equals, and formed a defensive and offensive alliance, with extradition clauses which show the advanced civilization of the age. In the 34th year of his reign, Rameses II (who was then over 50 years of age) married a daughter of Chattusil, who wrote to a son of Kadashman-Turgu (probably Kadashman-burias) to inform this Kassite ruler of Babylon of the event. He states in another letter that he was allied by marriage to the father of Kadashman-Turgu, but the relations between the Kassite rulers and the Hittites were not very cordial, and complaints were made on both sides. Chattusil died before Rameses II, who ruled to extreme old age; for the latter (and his queen) wrote letters to Pudukhipa, the widow of this successful Hittite overlord. He was succeeded by Dudhalia, who calls himself "the great king" and the "son of Pudukhipa the great queen, queen of the land of the city of the Chatti."
A second invasion by the Aryans occurred in the reign of Rameses III (about 1200 BC) when "agitation seized the peoples of the North," and "no people stood before their arms, beginning with the people of the Chatti, of the Kati, of Carchemish and Aradus." The invaders, including Danai (or early Greeks), came by land and sea to Egypt, but were again defeated, and Rameses III--the last of the great Pharaohs--pursued them far north, and is even supposed by Brugsch to have conquered Cyprus. Among the cities which he took he names Carchemish, and among his captives were "the miserable king of the Chatti, a living prisoner," and the "miserable king of the Amorites."
In 831 BC Qubarna, the vassal king of the Chattinai in Syria, was murdered by his subjects, and an Assyrian tartanu or general was sent to restore order.

In 709 BC Sargon states the king of Ashdod was deposed by "people of the Chatti " who set up Azuri instead. In 673 BC, Esar-haddon speaks of "22 kings of the Chatti and near the sea." Tarku, Tarkhan, in Hittite names parallels Mongol dargo and Turkish tarkhan, "tribal chief." Sil "ruler" Akkadian; naz is an element in Hittite and Kassite (Iranian) names

Does this story sound familiar. Compare with the timeline...

""The [northern] Hittites [Chatti] seem to have had a special fancy for combining parts of different animals into strangely composite and sometimes grotesque forms" (Dictionary of the Bible, vol.2 article, "Hittites") He goes on to say that they were responsible for bringing the double headed eagle into Europe. They have even found in Turkey, where the ancient Hittes lived, the same symbol found in Europe, the double headed eagle.
"The Chatti were known to carry standards such as were seen in many Nazi parades...the swastika...Another ritual standard and the ancient Chatti ...[was] the Iron Cross..." (Twentieth Century Watch Magazine, Dec 1984, p.6).
Now what does the word "Hatti" or "Chatti" mean in the Hebrew language? Its closest derivation is the root "chathath" (Strongs - 2865). It means "to terrorize, or break down, as in war, hence a warrior or MAN OF WAR." The Chatti were therefore Men of War or Germans. The name Chatti is but the Hebrew form of the word GERMAN, THE VERY WORD which the Romans applied to the Assyrians. That means that the ancient Chatti were Assyrian -- or German -- migrants who early settled in Asia Minor. Did these Chatti or Hatti later also migrate into Western Europe, where the Germans are today? Indeed! The Chatti were the chief people who settled in modern Germany. Their descendants are the HESSIANS today! In fact, the Old High German spelling of Hesse was Hatti! The land of Hatti was the WESTERN part of the Assyrian Empire.
The ancient Assyrian Empire was divided just as the modern Germans were divided between East and West Germany and Austria. THE ANCIENT KINGS OF ASSYRIA called themselves Khatti-sars -- meaning the "Kaisers of Hatti," or "Kings of Hatti." The chief people of Hatti regarded themselves AS ASSYRIANS. The Assyrian kings wrote of the tribes of Hatti -- the ancestors of the Hessians: "AS ASSYRIANS I [ac]counted them" (D. D. Luckenbill, "Ancient Records of Assyria and Babylonia", Vol. II, § 29).

Returning to the Chatti: obviously, there were/are two types of Aryans as I have demonstrated in my book, Ancient Science where I wrote:
When one tracks back through all of the ancient "matters" and studies the different groups, trying to follow them as they moved from place to place, studying the genetic morphology in order to keep track of who is who, and comparing linguistics and myth and archaeology, one comes to the startling realization that there were significant polarities throughout space and time. I have tentatively identified these polarities as the Circle People and the Triangle - or Pyramid - People. In a general sense, one can see the broad brush of the triangle people in the Southern hemisphere, in the pyramids and related cultures and artifacts. For the most part, their art is primitive and stylistically rigid. In the northern hemisphere, one sees the circle makers, the spirals, the rough megaliths, the art of Lascaux and Chauvet and the many other caves. One can note a clear difference between the perceptions and the response to the environment between the two trends and groups.

Who built the Pyramids?

posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 05:58 PM
Long is the time I've been singing a song.

The words may not come out right, but they're all there.

posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 08:00 PM
Rule of law

It sounds nice, but its supposed too. There are alternatives.

When America invaded Iraq we changed the regime. Then we wrote a hundred rules. Followed by a constitution that was handed over underhandedly.

Please, don't think that I am defending Saddam here. The names on the faces are no more important than the lines in the sand.

Look at the difference between their old constitution and the new one.

July 16, 1970
Article 3:

Power is inherent in the people as they are the source of its legitimacy.


The people of Iraq, striving to reclaim their freedom, which was usurped by the previous tyrannical regime, rejecting violence and coercion in all their forms, and particularly when used as instruments of governance, have determined that they shall hereafter remain a free people governed under the rule of law.

I try to tell people, but hard heads are more common than sand.

How America Will Control Iraq With An Elected Democratic Government

As always, there are messages.

posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 08:58 PM

They try to tell you in little ways.

Why is the most important person the one that no one talks about, the Marischal, Marshall, General?

I forget exactly which one it is in, but the next time you see these movies watch for where he is standing in front of the table with his arms out to the side.

Look at him, and his reflection, and tell me if you see something like this.


The next time you see the movie Blade look real close at the red House Symbol where the Vampire club is. I was expecting it.

Three red lines...


Gladiator (2000)

This is the chronicle of Kingship. From his tortured beginings, through strangling his father out of 'ambition' we see the birth of a new King. But its not a 'good' King.

What is the first thing #1 Heir does?

He has the High Marshall Killed, or so he thinks. Then he turns to the new and improved Marshall and asks if he will serve him.

And he does serve him by winning wars, arresting Pesky Senators, terrorizing the people, and seeing over the games that keep the people from revolting.

Then the King imagines himself a diety and takes his dagger in hand to fight the peoples champion, the former Marshall. After evening the odds a little, of course.

Destiny was not what he foresaw. As the battle turned against him he turns to his soldiers and commands them to give him a weapon.

But they stand firm. The King dies. The hero dies.

Who really rules?

Two men on a Horse

posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 09:15 AM

Terra-cotta from Phoenician tomb in Cyprus

The chief of these Phoenician inscriptions, and the first to be reported in Britain, is carved upon a hoary old stone of about 400 B.C. (see Frontispiece), dedicated to Bel, the Phoenician god of the Sun (see Fig. 1), by a votary who calls himself therein by all three titles of "Phoenic-ian," "Brit-on" and "Scot," by ancient forms of these titles; and whose personal appearance is presumably illustrated in the nearly contemporary sculpture from his homeland, Fig. 10 (p. 46). In thus preserving for us the name and titles of a "prehistoric" literate Phoenician king of North Britain upon his own original monument, it at the same time supplies a striking proof of the veracity of the ancient tradition cited in the heading, which the Eastern branch of Aryans has faithfully preserved in their famous epic, "The Great Barats" (Maha Barata), in regard to the prehistoric world- wide civilizing conquests of the Panch or "Phoenicians," the greatest ruling clan of the Aryan Barats, or Brihats, who, we shall find, were the ancestors of the "Brits" or Brit-ons, our own ancestors.
Swastika svastika (Sanskrit) An auspicious or lucky object; especially applied to the mystic symbol -- a cross with four equal arms, the extremities of which are bent sharply at right angles, all in the same direction -- marked upon persons and things in order to denote good luck, although originally the symbol had a far deeper significance. Sometimes the arms are bent to the left, sometimes to the right.
The symbol is very widespread, and extremely ancient, engraved on every rock-temple and prehistoric building in India, and wherever Buddhists have flourished, as well as in Greece, among the ancient Scandinavians, and in ancient America. It has been called the Jaina Cross; Fylfot, Mjolnir, or Thor's Hammer by the Scandinavian peoples; and in the Chaldean Book of Numbers the Worker's Hammer.

But, you say it does not apply to you?

Think again...

But thats far from all.

Maker s of Civilization in Race and History

You don't need to read it all. Just pages 11 and 14 could be enough.

After that it would help if you read the constitutions of every nation on Earth, but I don't expect it. I know it took me a long time...

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