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Turkish troops killed by rebels

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posted on Oct, 21 2007 @ 07:05 AM

Turkish troops killed by rebels

At least 15 Turkish soldiers have been killed in clashes with Kurdish rebels near the border with Iraq.

The soldiers were killed in an ambush blamed on guerrillas from the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK.

The attack comes days after Turkey's parliament authorised the military to launch cross-border incursions into Iraq to hunt rebels based in the area.
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posted on Oct, 21 2007 @ 07:05 AM
It's good for the moral of the troops with a relative substantial loss so early in a campaign. Makes the boys something to go after.

No, really, this little incident to indicate it might be a bloody winter campaign this year, I'm afraid.
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posted on Oct, 21 2007 @ 09:32 AM
Most important thing is - Turkish soldiers were attacked on their own territory, inside Turkey. Very foolish of PKK to do so, this is more then a provocation. You don't have to be genius to anticipate Turkish reaction.

[edit on 21-10-2007 by Duby78]

posted on Oct, 21 2007 @ 06:58 PM

Turkey vows to defeat PKK rebels

Turkey's leaders have vowed to "pay any price" to defeat terrorism after the latest attack by Kurdish rebels, which killed at least 12 soldiers.

In clashes following the ambush near the Iraqi border, 32 PKK rebels were killed, the military said.

Security officials, ministers and top generals met on Sunday night to discuss whether to attack PKK bases in Iraq.

But despite a strongly worded statement, they did not imply an attack was imminent, a BBC correspondent says.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

They hesitate to start the campaign into Iraq, with green light and clearence from the Masters, what are they waiting for?

posted on Oct, 21 2007 @ 07:07 PM

The U.S has asked them to show restraint, which is odd considering the way the U.S has acted in accordance to the WTC attacks.

... This is mysterious...

I like that, there are more than a few things i can imagine to be going on - some of which i like, a lot.

Interestingly, it shows that the kurds attacked turkish troops during the parlimentary discussions...

It smells fishy, almost as if it were a 'false-flag' scenario...

Unless someone is trying to show the U.S up, i think we might have an exit strategy.

[edit on 21-10-2007 by Throbber]

posted on Oct, 21 2007 @ 11:38 PM
The Kurds could well be trying to provoc Turkey into invading Northern Iraq . They they would back themselves to win the war and use there victory to reassert there claims for an independent state. IMO the Turks shouldn't sit back and nothing but they need to ensure that any military inclusions make strategic gains and that they don't fall into the Kurdish trap.

posted on Oct, 22 2007 @ 05:50 AM
Iraq and Turkey See Tensions Rise After Ambush

A brazen ambush by Kurdish militants that left at least 12 Turkish soldiers dead touched off a major escalation in Turkey-Iraq tensions on Sunday, bringing fears that Turkey would retaliate immediately by sending troops across the border into Iraq. But Turkey’s prime minister said he delayed a decision, after Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice personally intervened.

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So Turkey got the green light, but Washington will tell when it's turned on.

Restrain is being exercised by Mr Erdogan, not just to please his American allies, but just as much, not to EU making Turkey's record of human rights worsen.

Well, even EU has labeled PKK a terrorist organisation, though all the socialist parties of Europe 20 years ago had close contacts to PKK.

In the situation, to go in would be legitimate for Turkey, but they have to shun any bad publicity to follow their EU ambitions.

posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 09:23 AM
In Iraq, Conflict Simmers on a 2nd Kurdish Front

This is interesting.

The guerrillas from the Party for Free Life in Kurdistan, or P.J.A.K., have been waging a deadly insurgency in Iran and they are an offshoot of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, known as the P.K.K., the Kurdish guerrillas who fight Turkey.

Like the P.K.K., the Iranian Kurds control much of the craggy, boulder-strewn frontier and routinely ambush patrols on the other side. But while the Americans call the P.K.K. terrorists, guerrilla commanders say P.J.A.K. has had "direct or indirect discussions" with American officials. They would not divulge any details of the discussions or the level of the officials involved, but they noted that the group's leader, Rahman Haj-Ahmadi, visited Washington last summer.

So in other words, if you wage an insurgency just as bloody as that on Turkey -a dear ally- it's not acts of terrorism when it's against an enemy. Nonetheless same laws, same humanitarian view should rule in both cases. That they don't is more than flawed, it is corrupt.

BTW, the snippet is from In Iraq, Conflict Simmers on a 2nd Kurdish Front

I still hold the opinion --more after this discrimination of 'terrorists'-- that PKK is a legitimate independence movement, fighting a Turkish's nationalism with fascitod tendencies.

posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 09:44 AM
Waiting for a full-scale ground invasion

Turkish Patience Runs Out after New Attack

Public pressure on Turkish authorities to act has grown since rebels killed 12 soldiers last weekend. The PKK, branded a terrorist organisation by the United States, Turkey and the European Union, has said it captured eight soldiers.

"We are doing all we can, (we are) working with the Iraqi and Turkish governments to make sure the hostages are freed," Matthew Bryza, U.S. deputy assistant secretary for European and Eurasian affairs, said in a speech in Ankara.

Turkish security sources have confirmed a series of sorties by warplanes and ground troops since Sunday into Iraqi territory, although Ankara has said it still hopes diplomacy can stave off the need for a full-scale ground invasion.

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What we also seems to have forgot is the 8 captured soldiers from the first attack. They are the pawn in the game of Turkish powerplay.

I'm afraid they'll play it by full power, sacrifice there soldiers for the better good... -- of which there havn't been much since Turkey forbid the Kurdish language some 25 years ago.

posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 07:51 AM
At the Border Waiting for a Strategic Favour

Turkey: US Will Not Stop Iraq Incursion

The Bush administration is urging Turkey not to launch an incursion that would destabilize Iraq's autonomous Kurdish north, the country's most stable region. But Erdogan said the U.S. desire to protect the north would not hinder Turkey's fight against the rebels from the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, who use mountain bases to rest, train and get supplies in relative safety before returning to Turkey to carry out attacks against government forces in the heavily Kurdish southeast.

"They (the Bush administration) might wish that we do not carry out a cross-border offensive, but we make the decision on what we have to do," Erdogan said during a visit to Romania. "We have taken necessary steps in this struggle so far, and now we are forced to take this step and we will take it."

He said that the U.S. should repay Turkish assistance for the invasion of Afghanistan with support for Turkey's struggle against the Kurdish rebels, who want autonomy in the southeast.

"Right now, as a strategic ally, the USA is in a position to support us. We have supported them in Afghanistan," he said.

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For humanitarian reasons US reluctantly might support. The lifes of eight hostages is at stake. Levels of intelligence sharing has ben upgraded, all the while diplomacy tries to get Malaki's Iraqi forces to run the operation. They are truly unpopular in Kurdistan, and excactly not to lose popularity, at great costs achieved, US wants a proxy -- but they'll be hanging high above directing and recording the carnage.

Why they always do these campaigns at winter time? To secure most suffering?

posted on Nov, 5 2007 @ 06:33 AM
A follow up on the incident.

PKK rebels release Turkish troops

Eight Turkish soldiers released by Kurdish fighters have been returned to their army units, the Turkish General Staff announced.

They were released on Sunday morning by the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) after being captured in an ambush on 21 October near the border with Iraq.

They were handed to Iraqi Kurdish officials and flown to Turkey.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Trying to stifle the fire, it could get too hot.

This article has a map, good to orientate in the region.

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