US May Escort Ahmadinejad to Ground Zero!

reply to post by princeofpeace


So what is wrong with better presentation of himself? I see the thing that will float your boat is a war with Iran isn't it? Well guess what, it was not Iran that was taking out your leaders and putting in new ones, it was you. US has been meddling around with Iran leaders for a while now, so you must imaging the propaganda they get fed.

“...[Central Intelligence] agency [CIA] officers orchestrating the Iran coup worked directly with royalist Iranian military officers, handpicked the prime minister's replacement, sent a stream of envoys to bolster the shah's courage, directed a campaign of bombings by Iranians posing as members of the Communist Party, and planted articles and editorial cartoons in newspapers.”

The above is a quote from a 16 April 2000 article in the New York Times, giving an account of how the CIA destroyed Iranian democracy in 1953, and which HIR reprints below. This episode, like many others, demonstrates the colonial attitude that the US ruling elite has towards the rest of the world, and just how little respect for democracy it has.
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[edit on 19-9-2007 by Equinox99]

Even Hillary agrees:

"It is unacceptable for Iranian President Ahmadinejad, who refuses to renounce and end his own country's support of terrorism, to visit the site of the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil in our nation's history," Democratic U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton said in a statement."

reply to post by Equinox99


I say why not?After all, the president himself laid a wreath at the monument to Nazi SS Storm troopers didnt he?
If they let him speak there, hell likely ask america to embrace Islam though.....much like OBL....
These guys are at least kind enough to offer us their mercy if we convert...
Actually though , i think its customary to offer this to enemies and potential enemies too....
After we refuse were fair game so.....look out.

Or maybe hell just catch us up on that revolutionary cure for aids he was peddling a while back.....
bergle

I don't like him, but really, uh. He is not an Islamic extremist; he had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

Whether you believe it was Al Quaeda or an inside job, he had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Big whoop.

reply to post by princeofpeace


So he has publicly came out and said I support all terrorists? Please show me where he states this. United states has no business with Iran. Iran is standing up to bullying, as did Russia, China, and North Korea. If you do not want the Iran president on your land, or Bush does not want to talk to him that is fine, but that is practically why all talks have ceased.

So the US has come out and said we hate all Muslims & Arabs?

reply to post by princeofpeace


No, our present administration did better, it attacked one for retaliation and the other with no reason but lies and deceptions.

^ ....and hopefully a third for running his mouth like an idiot and making threatening and inflammatory remarks. Not so smart if you're a man trying to prove why your nuclear program is SO peaceful.

Sorry Marg! If it makes you feel any better I have 3 white hairs on the left side of my head and 6 on the right. No, I guess that doesn’t really help at all.

Originally posted by stumason
Or, to put it another way, you wouldn't sue McDonald's because one of their employees did a bank robbery before joining the organisation, would you?

I get what you are saying, however it isn’t exactly the same. McDonalds and bank robbery go together like Footlocker and Sony. Hezbollah and the values of its known terrorist founders, however, go together like white on rice.

You are right though that we shouldn’t declare guilt by association.

As to the founding date, I know they claim to have been founded in 1985 but can we really be sure they didn’t take actions before that? Weren’t the actions of American revolutionaries before the actual founding of the United States still the actions of the United States? We can’t divorce ourselves of responsibility for actions we performed as a group before we became "official." Neither can Hezbollah.

All that said, it would seem that the involvement of Hezbollah and Iran in the 1982 attacks cannot be proven so I suppose I can’t point the finger at them. Thanks for setting me straight.

You must admit however that given the actions and words of Hezbollah and Iran, both past and present, that it would not be surprising to find that they were involved.

In my opinion Ahmadinejad is showing a sign of goodwill here. He wants to visit ground zero to show the US that he does care about this tragic event (whether he's sincere or not who knows). He's not going to go to ground zero and praise Allah for the deaths of Americans...

I think he's being the "bigger man" here by trying to show the US some support, while on the other hand the US government essentially raises their middle finger to his gesture...

He shouldn't be allowed at ground zero. he is using this as a photo-op opportunity.

He'll bring flowers, pray, whatever so the world like many on here can say, hey look what this NICE guy is doing! And they want to attack him. How evil...

It could be a photo op. It could also be a symbolic extension of an olive branch. I really DO NOT think Iran wants war, because we could do way more damage to them than they can to us.

If the little man in the "Member's Only" jacket wants to go than I say let him.

Unbelievable...........some here actually says he would be 'showing support for America'......

BS......already he has won over the anti-bush/US crowd.

When considering the '9/11' tribute Iran present....it was a different Iranian Government at that time (still a sponsor of terrorism but kept a low-profile). The current 'leader' (who was put in place by the Supreme Counsil) overtly discusses about his wishes/plans to wipe-out other countries, supports Hamas/Syria, works/ed with North Korea, has been consistantly rebuffing the IAEA (resulting in UN sanctions), imposing Ismaic law on Iran's own people (who are very unhappy with the Iranain Government from what I read), shutting down 'free-thinking' institutions as well as newspapers, having the Quds force supply insurgents in Iraq and generally being extremely unfriendly.

Yeah.....give him an opportunity to visit what is currently a very special place to most Americans and allow him to:

spout more talk about the 'Zionists' controlling the US
how the Zionists will soon disappear
or any other stupid statement he could use to HIS benefit.

Honestly, I'd love to see it. I'd be tuned into FOX news for the first time ever and laughing at the anchors saying "oh, this is disgusting!" and "oh, I'm even more enraged against Iran..........and you should be too!".

I'd be watching with my old Member's Only jacket on and my tightest pair of Jordache jeans on (the real blue one's with the white stitching).

Peace

reply to post by princeofpeace


I dont really see what the big deal is, from what I recall Iran didnt really dance in the streets after 911, in fact I'm thinking that he denounced the attacks.
Iran, who are majority Shia, have nothing to do with Bin Laden, who is a Sunni..
Who knows though, my opinion could be wrong..

Originally posted by intrepid
Damn that propaganda machine REALLY works.

It certainly does. Why do you think it is so? My opinions on this from what I could gather as a third party observer:

• The non-stop repetition (and thereby reinforcement) of what a threat Iran is by the main stream media outlets and opinion leaders
  
• The declining education level of US schools (which opens up a whole other can of worms)
  
• The subliminal messages in movies, television and news articles that try to link anything bad with "The Enemy" (whoever that is for the moment)
  
• The consolidation of many many news outlets into a single effective propaganda engine
  
• People generally have poor memories and easily forget
  
• External attribution (from the Attribution Theory of psychology)

In no particular order.

Of course, since I don't live in the US, I don't have the benefit of personal experience to draw these conclusions from. But I do read a lot.

Anyone care to add or refute the points I listed above?

Edit: to add a line after the list.

[edit on 20-9-2007 by Beachcoma]

I think he should get a real close look... visually the place can have deep emotional impact. even if the guy doesn't get it.. at least he can go back to Iran with a deeper understanding. that understanding could come in several forms:

Understanding of the war on terror...

Or an understanding of what could happen if Iran keeps trying to get nukes and threaten to wipe various people out with them.. as i am certain that its only a matter of time before the industrial military complex goes to phase two.. Iran attacked from all sides where we have the troops now present..

It is common practice to make a dog smell his own stuff to potty train it.. I say let him smell it.

reply to post by Beachcoma

People generally have poor memories and easily forget

People only forget what the media wants them to forget.. lets face it, most Americans "water cooler" conversations tend to focus on whatever news
that the media deems newsworthy.
The question is, who or what orginization dictates to the media what is newsworthy and what is not

Conspiracy aside for a moment please...

I know this is old-fashioned and unprogressive, but I am not a big fan of getting cozy with people who proclaim that they are working on the demise of your country.

It seems a lot like this scenario:


Guy 1: Hi Neighbor.

Guy 2: Hi. I am going to steal your wife, blow up your car, and ruin your career.

Guy 1: Great...want to come in for some coffee?

Yes I think Iran's current government has big problems, but I feel there is a value to haveing Ahmadinejad visit Ground Zero.

We are feared and misunderstood in the Arab world and it is not getting better. Standing in NYC, in the heart of an american city in all of it's grandeur and then being led to the void of ground zero, might...just might open a door in his mind. A vague understanding....he might think for one brief moment, yes America's fury is misdirected and misguided in the Arab world, but at least he might understand the source of the fury. The physical wound of Ground Zero among the grandeur of NYC. If not, nothing lost, but maybe....maybe it will help him understand us a little better.

Yes our president is a nutcase and has made the world a dangerous place, but Ground Zero is the reason why he has been relatively tolerated by the masses. It will do well for Ahmadinejad to stand there.