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Originally posted by 5ubc0nsc10u5
Also keep in mind gentlemen that the Pentagon only had a few frames showing the impact, if you even want to call it a video clip. How come all those tapes from nearby secruity cameras were confiscated?
Originally posted by Caustic Logic
I dunno but my best guess is they found the CVR where the cockpit hit (that is in the front, right?) and the FDR by the exit hole as they said.
The Flight Data Recorder (FDR) was found early in the morning of September 14, 2001. Government reports indicate the FDR was found at the entrance hole of the collapsed E ring. "...the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long.... Pentagon officials said the recorders, also called "black boxes" were found around 3:40 a.m. under mounds of wreckage in the collapsed part of the building.." (MSNBC Sept 28). "Dick Bridges, a spokesman for Arlington County, Va...said the recorders were found 'right where the plane came into the building.'" (PBS - Sept 14).
Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77. “We wanted to find live victims,” says Burkhammer. But this was a consolation prize. “Finding the black box gave us a little boost,” he says.
From the PBS link.
Bridges said the recorders were found "right where the plane came into the building."
However, The ASCE Building Performance Report and a new book published by the Dept Of Defense claims the FDR was found at the exit hole in the C-Ring. "[FDR] found in the building near the hole in the inner C Ring wall leading to A-E Drive." (Undertow quoting new DoD Book).
As they trudged through the smoky darkness in the Pentagon's C Ring shortly before 4 a.m. Friday, Fairfax County firefighters Carlton Burkhammer and Brian Moravitz scanned the debris with their helmet lights, still hopeful of finding someone alive. Moments after spotting a chair from the cockpit of American Airlines Flight 77, their beams flashed on two charred black boxes.
Originally posted by Caustic Logic
and the FDR by the exit hole as they said. From what I know of the crash dynamics that makes sense.
Originally posted by Caustic Logic
Yes, the ASCE unequivocally placed the FDR at the exit hole. Maybe someone just tossed it in there from the A-E drive.
So how could two boxes be found at the entry hole?
I think we all agree there are two recorders only and they didn't start walking around. So... someone is mixed up. My "error" flag has gone up. My BS flag is up too, but that's just from JDX being around.
Rob;
None of us can prove the FDR did or didn't come from the Pentagon.
Least of all with some confused media or official reports when so much of what they've done, especially over the Pentagon, is shoddy enough it seems designed to create confusion like this.
So yeah, maybe the two boxes were found up front and a third one planted,
if that's your gist.
Maybe not.
We're left with the data itself
which you guys feel came from the planted one
and while they could plant this they couldn't get the right data on it so they could mail it straight to you guys to discover the holes. Brilliant plan!
I'm done with placement questions for now. Nice attempt to prop up your non-theories.
BTW, Rob, check my working copy blog post at my blog regarding the non-rotated map. You can imagine how much fun this'll be when I get the text all filled in.