John Lear........disinfo agent???

I figured that because of John’s wild and outlandish claims, and some of the people that would probably defend his theories to the death I would “Magyverr” my own conspiracy theory about John…I often kid offline that John is the macgyver of conspiracy….give him a toothbrush, some twine, along with a blurry photo of something furry and he will come up with something that will blow your socks off (and test your ability to keep a straight face).

What if John, and some of his supporters, are in fact government disinfo agents? Think about it, what better way to avoid the subject of UFO’s than to pepper the UFO community and those interested in the subject with such laughable, outlandish claims. Claims that, to the average person with common sense, makes them giggle at the whole subject, and therefore not look into it any further. Then, as with any disinfo, you have the hundreds of “useful idiots” that will defend what they hear to the death, which is in effect like adding a bunch of unpaid workers to your disinfo payroll. It’s self fulfilling, really. Why you ask? Well the disinfo machine is huge, and every little bit helps. John might not have a big audience, but maybe they figure that if there are (were) some serious people in the know that do have real information in his audience, they would surely not come forward after hearing some of his ludicrous claims. They would be discredited and not taken seriously. By helping to maintain a "cloud of absurdity" they ensure that those with real knowledge will not come forward, afraid to be included in his foolishness.

Now, picture this, if someone(s) had a lot of inside knowledge they wanted to share, and visited a site like this one, AND everybody was on the level and not taking about mating reptilians, beating grays, BILLY MIEJER (lol) they might be more apt to spill the beans. But after browsing the topics, they dismiss their attempt to disclose what they know because they would get lumped in with foolish, unverifiable claims.

Sound outlandish? Not near as outlandish as some of John’s stories I can tell you.


John, give me some credit here, I’m learning from the master.


[edit on 14-9-2007 by IgnoreTheFacts]

It's hard to say isn't it?

I for one don't really believe his soul catcher theory and I'm left sitting on the wall with some of his other theories...

But who's to say you're not a disinfo agent, here for the sole purpose of discreditting John Lear.

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Proof is what we need...

Come on John... give us something credible.

Crap, I didn't think of that one, lol. I was bottom of the class in my goverment disinfo training, thus was forced to troll the internet............the better agents got assigned to NASA and the like, with several each being assigned to every single observatory and science institute in the world. Like I said, it is a big program. Our disinfo graduating class was well over 10,000 people.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
Our disinfo graduating class was well over 10,000 people.

Interesting. Please go on.

sanc

Wow lol - Im impressed, we normally don't get Disinfo agents to confess that easily. Thank you for your honesty, your honesty is very honorable.

We already knew you were a Disinfo agent, there are a lot of us here that can smell one from miles away. It was pretty obvious, you came out of no where and you where trying a little to hard to discredit Zorgon and John Lear's evidence.

I mean - come on, not even the harshest skeptic with severe mental disorders will try as hard as you did to discredit the mountains of evidence Zorgon, John Lear and many others have.

Let me put it this way, would it make since if I went to a Radical Christan message board and tried really, really hard to discredit the bible or parts of the bible. Believe me, I really wish this was something that can work but it does not work. It would be a big waste of time and you would end up pissing off a lot of people and achive nothing.

I feel sorry for you, your job must be getting a lot more difficult and stressfull every day.

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[edit on 9-14-2007 by worldwatcher]

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I consider the last sentence of your post offensive as it is a threat.

I would suggest you either withdraw or rewrite it.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

I think your a troll.

John i just want to know, have you caught the disease? UFO disease?

[edit on 14-9-2007 by blahdiblah]

I just take everything he says with a bucket of salt, and enjoy it.

I can't really believe he is some kind of sinister disinfo type.

I know a few people take his every word as fact (well, maybe not in the case of the soul catcher!), but it seems most don't. If he was disinfo, I'd be expecting him to feed info that would keep a large percentage busy on useless research. Something with just enough substance at the start to keep people busy.

I think he is just someone who has heard a lot of wild stories over the years, and likes to retell them. Maybe there is a little truth in some of them, but which ones they are is anybodies guess.

I dont think Ive believed one thing John Lear has ever said regarding our solar system. Its human nature to believe what they perceive as "authority" This is a person whos clearly been in a field which may give him better insight into whats out there and whats flying in our skies. I could say the same for politicians though.

Well, John's a pretty erudite guy. Here's proof he can read, for example. But I don't think he's a disinfo agent per se. If you think I don't know, well, then, so much the better. But it's like a fight in judo. They key to winning is not to be the strongest guy in the ring. The idea is to move well enough so that you turn your opponent's power against him. He falls to the floor not because you pushed him, but because of his own mis-placed inertia. He charges at you like a bull. You move aside. He crashes and burns. That's the essence of it.

Disinfo is the same way. John gets himself a bit of a reputation. He's noticed, and it appears he could be 'useful.' Soon people 'in the know' are telling him 'confidential' secrets. He is to tell no one. But, of course he does. Suddenly he's attending UFO conventions with burly bodyguards at his side because 'he could be killed for what he has said.' Of course, it was intended that he tell these secrets. They knew he would. Same thing with Serpo. You get someone earnest like Bill Ryan to front for the story, and away you go again.

This is my current theory on the drones as well. First you set up your patsies: Linda Moulton Howe and Coast to Coast. They're not bad people at all, but they have an audience, and they're credulous and gullible. Feed the drones to them bit by bit. They do the heavy lifting for you, and suddenly you're in orbit--just like a Saturn V. I don't think the drones are government--just someone with a need to snicker. CtoC and LMH aren't talking about drones any more. I think they know they've been duped.

Now, throw in an easily debunked Billy Meier garbage can lid, (If nobody sees it we can send in Col. Kal Korff to point it out for you.) a couple of demonstrably fake Lazar degrees, add the Moon with half the gravity as earth (an atmosphere! Cities!) and before long it's a carnival atmosphere with everyone having a lot of fun and entertaining each other. the Great John Lear presides over all--and that's just fine. It's a fun party. No one is really unhappy about it. I know it was supposed to be a serious meeting and all, but hey! Have a drink anyway!

Meanwhile, back 'there,' whatever it is, agendas, secrets, black projects, shadow government, Men In Black, Masonic, Illuminati, marches on unmolested, unharmed, unopposed to whatever goal is motivating them. World Domination.

It's a cool system. Few resources are required. Other people do your work for you. the result is diversion and utter chaos. As long as Billy Meier plastic toy ray guns are touted as real, no one else pays attention. That's why it continues to be used. And, of coure, the ATS honey pot is used to attract all interested parties, a welcome source of future marks, and others easily tagged for future 'reference,' should the need ever arise.

Thank you for playing. Want to play again?

[edit on 9/14/2007 by schuyler]

Uh, schuyler ... I was at the Bay Area UFO Expo last month.

I didn't see a single bodyguard with John Lear. In fact, I got to approach him and have my pic taken with him, and I'm a big old skeptic!

So now I think YOU are the disinfo agent! Great! I have at least one disinfo agent on my Friends list. I'm getting paranoid now ...

Ignore the Facts.

Your latest threads have really come down on John Lear. I'm wondering if you have a personal vendetta against him. I don't know.

But-

BS or not, I think John's post have about 100% more readability factor than the crappulence I've heard you spout.

John's nice. I don't think you are.
John's polite. I think you have a special rude gene.
John posts with no malice toward ANYBODY. You do. A lot.

Regardless of how I feel about John's topics, I read them and usually get a chuckle. I read your posts and usually find myself pretty disgusted with you.

So, shall I open a thread telling everyone why I think you're a jerk? I'm sure you'd love the chance to bash another member, but, I think your reputation is apparent to all of us. John's is as well and I think he'll stick around and share his ideas long after you disappear.

Disappointed as usual,
Cuhail

Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
I didn't see a single bodyguard with John Lear. In fact, I got to approach him and have my pic taken with him, and I'm a big old skeptic!

You were at one recent convention. I saw your pic with John and must say you look nothing like your avatar. John is now in an avuncular stage, but a few years ago he was in the thick of it. The bodyguard thing happened awhile ago. John can probably pin down the dates for us.

So now I think YOU are the disinfo agent! Great! I have at least one disinfo agent on my Friends list. I'm getting paranoid now ...

Well, thanks (gush!) Just think of that conjecture as a badge of honor. When the time comes, it may get you a "get out of jail free" card.

[edit on 9/14/2007 by schuyler]

Originally posted by Cuhail

Ignore the Facts.

Your latest threads have really come down on John Lear. I'm wondering if you have a personal vendetta against him. I don't know.

If your using MY posts saying they come down on John hard, I suggest you read some more. I am nothing compared to a lot of others around here that refute his claims.

John's nice. I don't think you are.

I'm nice, just not blindly so.

John's polite. I think you have a special rude gene.
John posts with no malice toward ANYBODY. You do. A lot.

He routinely calls people who disagree with him shills, agents, and goverment stooges, no different than anything I posted in this thread, so get your head on straight before you make stuff up. This is ATS, a place that does not allow such nonsense (lol). Turn about is fair play, he is a big boy and can take it without the likes of you getting your precious feathers in a ruffle and not even understanding what this thread is about. John gets it, sure he has read it, and sure it made him laugh. John has a cool sense of humor, and while we disagree on pretty much everything I know he will read this thread with TUNG IN CHEEK as anyone with half a brain would. Hell, I bet it embarrasses him to have some fools chime in here and take this all serious and crap.

Regardless of how I feel about John's topics, I read them and usually get a chuckle. I read your posts and usually find myself pretty disgusted with you.

Sorry dad, I'll do better.

So, shall I open a thread telling everyone why I think you're a jerk?

Go right ahead, your just demonstrating the fact that you don't get it. John gets it, he probably read this thread and chuckled out loud. I never called John a jerk, and didn't "lash" out at your precious leader (who, by the way, does not need your help to defend himself, lol) And again, just to make it clear to the likes of you, I didn't call John anything he hasn't called a ton of people around here the disagree with him. But I would have expected you to know that, seeing as you read all his posts word for word and probably memorize them, sing them in the shower, and build mountains of mash potatoes then let it dry out then carve them into it It's all fun and games, and people like you that take this stuff too seriously need to relax.

I'm sure you'd love the chance to bash another member, but, I think your reputation is apparent to all of us. John's is as well and I think he'll stick around and share his ideas long after you disappear.

Sorry you still don't get it. But if you call posting a conspiracy about the biggest conspiracy guy on here (tung in cheek at that) bashing, you need to lighten up, francis. There was no bashing in my thread, I suggest you possibly try to re-read it a few times until it sinks into your gray matter.

Disappointed as usual

I can see how you would be disappointed as usual given your demonstrated lack of ability to perceive things.

Originally posted by schuyler

The bodyguard thing happened awhile ago. John can probably pin down the dates for us.

The bodyguard thing happend at the UFO Expo in Los Angeles I think in 1988. Jim Arament was the promoter and I was big UFO name at the time.

When I got to the expo Jim explained that he had hired a couple of guys to dress up in black and pretend to be my body guard. It was hilarious. They followed me all around (with a real serious look on their faces), stood around while I had a hamburger in the coffee shop (looking menacingly all around), stood there while I was giving interviews and escorted me to the stage for my presentation and then stood guard while I gave it.

Jim put on many UFO Expos and I was always invited but they were never as 'electric' as that one with the 'bodyguards'. We had some great laughs over that one. My 'star' pretty much faded after that and I never did do many more lectures.

Thanks for reminding me Schuyler.

And Jim, if you are out there give me a call, I haven't heard from you in years. I'm in the book.

Cuhail, with all due respect to you, and to John (who knows I don't believe him, but didn't hold it against me), John even got a warn the other day for speaking a bit harshly. He's a human like the rest of us (at least I think so).

You do put your pants on one leg at a time, like the rest of us do, don't you John?

Originally posted by MajorMalfunction

You do put your pants on one leg at a time, like the rest of us do, don't you John?

No, no, as strange as it may seem I can still throw them up in the air and jump into them with both feet. Actually, the truth is, at my age, I can only do that with shorts.

I won't believe it unless you post a video.

And then I'll claim it was CGI. So never mind.

See, he gets it. It's a thing called humor, something John has an abundance of.

You just love railing people into 'warn' scenarios Major Malfunction. How kind and considerate.