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Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Natanyahoo is coming today to New York to ask for New York State to freeze withdraw assets of Pension plans investing in Iran...so whats the difference between what Netanyahoo is doing versus what they said they will do if they are hit?
Originally posted by djohnsto77
You're totally misrepresenting this. The only thing Netanyahu is doing is trying to persuade states into not investing in any companies that deal with Iran. No assets would be frozen, just sold and reinvested in companies not doing business in Iran. He's doing exactly what you're doing with your "Boycott Israel" icon!
This is completely different than Iran illegally destroying merchant ships going through an international waterway.
So freekin what? Did they fire any of those Shehabs? No and with all the damage and carnage Israel did they should have instead of using all those crappy Katayushas.
“The annihilation of the Zionist regime will come… Isreal will be wiped of the map… and Allah willing, with the force of Allah behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United states and Zionism”
Since when have they even gotten past 5% enrichment? Where are you getting this stuff about bomb grade enrichment? Even the IAEA hasn't concluded that.
Even the IAEA hasn't concluded that.
This is completely different than Iran illegally destroying merchant ships going through an international waterway.
Illegally destroying merchant ships? Werent you one of these people that say its war and things are bound to happen when theres a war?
you got the translation wrong - ; what he said was
"the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time"
- which is poles apart in meaning from
"wiped off the map"
in actuallity israel is not actually named either
it's about zionism
Originally posted by sy.gunson
Ha ha that’s so funny PieMan. That’s not what the IAEA says in it’s own reports.
IAEA Safeguards Report on Iran:
Iran making progress but not yet reliably operating an enrichment plant
By David Albright, Jacqueline Shire and Paul Brannan
The Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS)
May 25, 2007
The International Atomic Energy Agency’s (IAEA’s) latest report on the status of Iran’s compliance with UN Security Council makes clear that Iran continues to defy the Council1 and continues to make slow but steady progress in operating large numbers of P1 centrifuges at Natanz. However, Iran’s early progress in multi-cascade operations should not be overstated. Iran still has technological hurdles that it must overcome.
According to the IAEA, as of May 13, 2007 the Natanz underground Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP) had eight operational centrifuge cascades, had two cascades running under vacuum (without uranium hexafluoride), and was in the process of finishing the construction of three additional cascades. Each cascade contains 164 centrifuges connected by pipes. If natural uranium is fed into the cascade, the product discharged at the “top” of the cascade is uranium enriched to less than 5 percent, or low enriched uranium (LEU). Iran’s stated objective is the installation of a complete module, consisting of 18 cascades, or some 2,952 centrifuges that would operate in parallel, each producing low enriched uranium. It appears that Iran can achieve its objective of installing all 18 cascades by late June if it maintains its current pace. Exactly when all of these centrifuges will enrich uranium efficiently remains uncertain.
While Iranian officials can be expected to tout their achievement of rapidly expanding the work at the FEP, it is important to examine critically their achievements and understand how far Iran still has to go before it can be said to have become competent in operating an enrichment plant.
Enrichment Activities. Inspections revealed two enrichment plants at Natanz —
a pilot-scale facility (planned to have 1000 centrifuges) and a commercial-scale plant
under construction (planned to have 50,000 centrifuges). The pilot-scale plant started up
in June 2003 only to shut down after Iran suspended enrichment activities in December
2003. Since February 2006, when Iran resumed enrichment-related activities, Iran has
tested small cascades (10, 20, then 164 machines) with uranium hexafluoride gas (UF6),
all under IAEA safeguards.8 On April 11, Iranian officials announced they had enriched
uranium to 3.5% U-235 in a cascade of 164 centrifuge machines.9 Construction on the
commercial-scale plant was also suspended in 2003, but Iran announced plans in April
2006 to install 3,000 centrifuges. Its construction partly underground raises concerns
about Iran’s intentions.
A recurring issues has been the detection of highly enriched uranium (HEU) particles
at sites in Iran. Iranian officials asserted that HEU particles found at the Natanz pilot plant
in 2003 were contaminants from foreign centrifuge assemblies, a first clue revealing the
Pakistani A.Q. Khan network. Iran admitted to enriching uranium to just 1.2%, while the
particles sampled ranged from 36% to 70% U-235. In October 2003, Iranian officials
admitted they tested centrifuges at the Kalaye Electric Company using UF6 between 1998
and 2002. IAEA report GOV/2006/15 reveals that components also came from another
country besides Pakistan.
Where did the highly enriched uranium (HEU) particles come from? Iranian officials asserted that highly enriched uranium (HEU) particles found at the Natanz pilot plant in 2003 came from contamination from foreign-origin centrifuge assemblies, which was the first clue revealing the Pakistani A.Q. Khan network as supplier of some centrifuges to Iran. Iran admitted to enriching uranium to just 1.2%, while the particles sampled ranged from 36% U-235 to 70% U-235 enrichment. In October 2003, Iranian officials admitted they tested centrifuges at the Kalaye Electric Company using UF6 between 1998 and 2002. The IAEA did not rule out the possibility that Iran's own enrichment activities could be the source of the HEU in samples.
Originally posted by sy.gunson
He probably has some difficulty even saying the name Isreal because Ahmedinejad is such a silly petulant little man full of hatred.
Originally posted by sy.gunson
My sources are from IAEA reports.
IAEA Safeguards Report on Iran:
Iran making progress but not yet reliably operating an enrichment plant
By David Albright, Jacqueline Shire and Paul Brannan
The Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS)
May 25, 2007
According to the IAEA, as of May 13, 2007 the Natanz underground Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP) had eight operational centrifuge cascades, had two cascades running under vacuum (without uranium hexafluoride), and was in the process of finishing the construction of three additional cascades. Each cascade contains 164 centrifuges connected by pipes. If natural uranium is fed into the cascade, the product discharged at the “top” of the cascade is uranium enriched to less than 5 percent, or low enriched uranium (LEU). Iran’s stated objective is the installation of a complete module, consisting of 18 cascades, or some 2,952 centrifuges that would operate in parallel, each producing low enriched uranium. It appears that Iran can achieve its objective of installing all 18 cascades by late June if it maintains its current pace. Exactly when all of these centrifuges will enrich uranium efficiently remains uncertain.
While Iranian officials can be expected to tout their achievement of rapidly expanding the work at the FEP, it is important to examine critically their achievements and understand how far Iran still has to go before it can be said to have become competent in operating an enrichment plant.
If Iran wanted to keep it hidden they could have just denied any and all accusations. they at least admitted to several infractions of the NPT.
please read extensively on persians - they are not disimilar to westerners in there outlook and approach , and please do not be so closed minded and blinkered in your view again, it really is quite sad.
Originally posted by ThePieMaN
I understand but obviously if Israel and US get their way they wont be producing much if they are bombed. I'm just saying maybe to give a taste of what it might be like without their oil contribution and maybe some of their allied oil producers. I mean really this is getting out of hand. Israel and many of its leaders are openly calling for bombing of Iran and they have taken it to the UN without any type of justice being done on Irans behalf. If the UN will not do something then just as we or Israel do , they should take matters into their own hands and provide sanctions of their own.
Iranian statements have been purposefully misconstrued and mistranslated to have the appearance of necessity to attack them and they have been put before the UN. The same should go for Israel openly asking for attacks as well as their politicians coming to the US and asking individual states to impose sanctions outiside of the UN as well. These are and should be taken as statements and pre-emptive acts of aggression
Dr. ElBaradei told reporters he was "increasingly disturbed" by an increase in Iran´s knowledge and capacity to enrich uranium and the decrease in the IAEA´s ability to clarify the nature of that programme.
Dr. ElBaradei said that there was a "gradual erosion" of the IAEA´s ability to perform critic functions. He expressed concern that financial problems come at a time when the IAEA increasingly is asked to perform functions that are directly relevant to international peace and security and to make judgements that directly relate to decisions on war and peace. Without sufficient resources, he cautioned, "I will not be able to certify that we are able to do the critical functions we are expected to perform."
Originally posted by hoochymama
Well we went through something like this in the late 70's and it wasn't the easiest of times for American motorists. I would of thought since that time we could of found an alternative source of fuel for our vehicles. The other problem is the amounts of oil used in the plastics industry which since the 70's has EXPLODED.
If Iran does this its WAR. The Bush administration will have there reason and were screwed from here on out for a long time. The Oil industry which consists of a few major players in Britain and the US, will reap the benefits of 100+ dollars a barrel and laugh there way to the bank as the Defense industry reaps the benefits of a long drawn out war with everyone in the region. Also, considering the that once we take over Iran and OWN this major water way for most of the Oil that the World uses, we can manipulate the price as well as the supply. Its a win win for the US and its ALLY.
This is a Sickening World we live in now.
VOTE RON PAUL!!!!!