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Are churches straying from the original teachings of Christianity?

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posted on Jun, 9 2007 @ 08:48 AM
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Given the low attendance at churches, I see many are turning to pop-culture to gain new members. A video I watched shows two types of new congregations occurring in churches in the UK.

One shows a service being conducted in a "Goth" like fashion, with dark clothing, goth music playing, and a gloomy atmosphere, with the second showing a mass held with people singing U2 songs, instead of the regular hymns.

I've seen similar U2 masses given in Churches here, but not the goth.

My question is, are churches straying from the original teachings of Christianity, in order to gain new members, through uses of new themes, such as these?

It seems they tend to cater more to entertaining its members, rather than teaching them.

[edit on 9-6-2007 by DJMessiah]



posted on Jun, 9 2007 @ 09:35 AM
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EXCELLENT topic DJmessiah.



Originally posted by DJMessiah
It seems they tend to cater more to entertaining its members, rather than teaching them.


I fully agree. Cater to the members. Tell them what they want to hear. Entertain them. Make it easy and painless. All to get members to donate money.


Are churches straying from the original teachings of Christianity


What exactly is the original teaching of Christianity? That is the question, isn't it? Every group has it's own interpretation of scripture. Then some have sacred tradition which has been handed down for thousands of years. Also - there are those who introduce new 'interpretations' and make it seem like it is something that has always been believed - like the Rapture Cult that started in the mid 1800s.

You have to go back to the Church Fathers in the first 200 years or so to see what the original teachings of Christianity are. MANY Christians today will refuse to accept what the original Church Fathers taught. Modern Christians can't handle it. Neither can those who are more attached to their denominations than the original teachings ...

example - the Church Fathers (first 300 years of Christianity) - original teachings on the intercession by the dead for the living -

intercession



[edit on 6/9/2007 by FlyersFan]



posted on Jun, 9 2007 @ 02:37 PM
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one point i'd like to make: the churches of today seem to be straying away from the essentially socialist teachings of the apostles (as seen in the acts of the apostles)



posted on Jun, 9 2007 @ 04:13 PM
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My ancestors- In England in the 1830s and here in New Zealand were looking for The New Testamant church....and with a knowledge of Greek they made great progress such that here in New Zealand one branch of nonconfomist grew from a few families in the wilderness to 2% of the entire population in 40 years (See James George Deck and related topics)

But now i want to formally repent and say that much as i love and respect my forefathers and fellow believers we got stuck (with the concept of a Catholic church-Catholic as in "correct" in terms of ideas/doctrine)
Thus the time has come to move on..... the search has resumed.

A careful examination of the bible and a number of other things has revealed to me a number of things fatal to the Christain religion as we know it.
1. JNDarby's 'rapture' theory with it's dispensations twists scripture.
2. God is not two gods in He is not "The God of Nations" with one set of rules and "The God of Israel" with a completely different set of rules.
3. Rather an unchanging and righteous God has made unbreakable promises to Abraham and other founders of the true relgion.
4. There is not a "spiritual" world which can in anyway be treated differently from a "natural" world thus a failure to comprehend the completeness of what God has created has created difficulties.
5. USA (say in American Missionaries starting a civil war in Beruit with their American University) despite wanting to be thought of as protecting Israel and the Jewish community has a long on going policy which has been detrimental to her Jewish community and Israel (See in terms of foreign affairs The Arabists by Robert D Kaplan)
6. Christianity in abandoning understanding of The Torah/Law have in their orgy of sin piled up curses which will cause certain parts of USA to become empty of all population and the earth barren (as the law promises)
7. Christianity misrepresents the God of the bible and the people of the bible.

Therefore I agree with the Hillbilly prophet (and now restorer of Heritage USA) Rick Joyner who claims that such a terrible storm will sweep over Christainity so that after that storm it would be easy to conclude the religion has been totally devistated and destroyed.
This has happened before; In China from the 1930s until the 1970s Christianity face every imaginable and some unimaginable sufferings and trials "Gold fears no fire" is a book which in very simple and easy to understand ways outlines that purification of the Chinese church.
But now especially in USA but also worldwide this precious loving judgement of God is now going to occur. Jeremiah in the midst of his book of Lamenatations says "the steadfast love of the lord never ceases"

But i began by saying that Christianity as a relgion is inadequate and does not fully represent the revelation contained in the bible.
Jesus said "salvation is from the Jews" the time has come to take Jesus seriously.

For true believers who are reading this I have two pieces of advice.
If you are in one of those areas such as California where fire from heaven will fall- then when you see (like now you see it) the abomination which brings desolation then flee just as the Christains fled from Jerusalem before AD70.
But if you have no capacity to move and know that God's grace will carry you through then we have a job to do in getting Jewish people out of USA with all their valuable things and any gold we can give them and back to their homeland "Let my people go USA" love paul



posted on Jun, 14 2007 @ 01:00 PM
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I used to go to church every weekend. I no longer attend. I feel that the common churches of all denominations have simply become exercises in pop psychology brainwashing. They just tell people what they want to hear, not what the message really is.

I think alot of it has to do with the world council of churches pushing all denominations together to create one world religion.



posted on Jun, 14 2007 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by TheRepublic
I think alot of it has to do with the world council of churches pushing all denominations together to create one world religion.


ya know, even if the council of churches pushed all the christian denominations together, they'd be a long way off. they would have just about 1/3 of the population... and then there's the fact that christianity isn't exactly growing anymore. 2 billionish seems to be the carrying capacity for a single religion.

who needs a one world religion? we need one world with no religion



posted on Jun, 14 2007 @ 02:04 PM
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Well, given that there are some 15,000 + 'Christian' denominations worldwide I'd hazard a guess that the original teachings have been altered at least that many different ways.



posted on Jun, 15 2007 @ 08:19 PM
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1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;


[3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


We are told in the Bible that what you are talking about was coming. As a matter of fact it has been coming from the beginning of christianity as we see in Jude

Jude [3] Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
[4] For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

This has been a problem from the beginning and is picking up speed and will culminate in the return of Jesus Chrsit to the earth to put an end to it.


[edit on 15-6-2007 by dbrandt]



posted on Jun, 16 2007 @ 11:38 AM
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DJ first of good find. But now this is the exact reason why many people don't believe in God now because of this nonsense. People in religion have made a mockery of God. Twisting the Bible into their own beliefs and it sickening. Like this Fred Phelps, this man is out of his mind and God will deal with him soon. Its no ones right to critize others because their gay or had an abortion.



posted on Jun, 16 2007 @ 02:20 PM
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The Church hasn't taught the original teachings of the bible since 325 A.D. So, this is really nothing new.


You have to go back to the Church Fathers in the first 200 years or so to see what the original teachings of Christianity are. MANY Christians today will refuse to accept what the original Church Fathers taught.


Very, very true Flyersfan.


[edit on 16-6-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 12:21 PM
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Nice topic. I for one have been turn away from a churches because of this. A church should be a place when in anytime you can get spiritual worship and guidence. I knew a stripper once who wanted to go to church but the mormons turn her away cuz she a stripper. Who are they to judge her when in there own church people commit sin and do worse. there is not such church that is open 24 hours for what I know. Every christian church out there has a wrong believe. I could'nt place a name of christian believe that I follow, cuz i believe what the bible says not what they're religion of christainity says, or what the preacher says.

This hurts me in not finding a church cuz to be honest I have no spiritual friends to help me on the path. I live a life around the getto when I preach it is to the geto, I dont really talk to those who know. And its hard cuz sometimes all we need is help along the path.

[edit on 25-7-2007 by slymattb]



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 01:11 PM
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Slymattab, you sort of hit the nail on the head... Over the years, churches have turned into little more than the "Cults of the personality" that the church rejects. You have a preacher in front of the congregation that claims to know the plan or will of God and the people in the audience eats it up.

Few people read the bible and draw their own conclusions. Instead, they go and listen to some guy who,according to some, is "sanctified" by God.... :shk:



posted on Jul, 27 2007 @ 03:43 PM
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the biggest thing christianity as a whole has strayed from is communal living and a disdain for possesions. john lennon the atheist is probably closer to christianity than pat robertson the christian in that respect.

did anyone see jesus working? no, he relied on the community to provide food and shelter. jesus didn't seem to like individual wealth much, seeing as he had no problem with taxes, "give to caesar what is caesar's" and all of that.



posted on Jul, 27 2007 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
the biggest thing christianity as a whole has strayed from is communal living and a disdain for possesions.


What do you mean exactlyk, cuz I do believe that christianity churches hace strayed from what Jesus would of wanted in the churches.


did anyone see jesus working? no, he relied on the community to provide food and shelter. jesus didn't seem to like individual wealth much, seeing as he had no problem with taxes, "give to caesar what is caesar's" and all of that.


Depends on what you call work. Jesus did work, but the true work, saving souls and casting out demons and such. Preaching the word.



posted on Jul, 28 2007 @ 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by slymattb
What do you mean exactlyk, cuz I do believe that christianity churches hace strayed from what Jesus would of wanted in the churches.


i mean that christianity at its core teachings is inherently communist. read the acts of the apostles and see for yourself.



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