Perhaps Sir Marduk know something about this

Dear Sir Duke Knight of England Marduk,

If you know anything about above picture, please let's know.

I'm sure a bit of context would help? Like where it is?

But looks like a date of 1375 on it, making it medieval.

Yes, I think if you elaborate a little, some of the other members may also have some input as well. Also some insight as to what your goal is regarding the picture, avatar.

( did Marduk receive Knighthood from the Queen )

Originally posted by Essan
I'm sure a bit of context would help? Like where it is?

But looks like a date of 1375 on it, making it medieval.

South East Asia and probably it has something to do with Dutch?

I think it is 80% hoax.

Originally posted by CinLung-Part-1

Originally posted by Essan
I'm sure a bit of context would help? Like where it is?

But looks like a date of 1375 on it, making it medieval.

South East Asia and probably it has something to do with Dutch?

I think it is 80% hoax.

Yes, but what else? Like how big is it? Where was/is it found? What is it made of? etc.

Originally posted by d60944
Yes, but what else? Like how big is it? Where was/is it found? What is it made of? etc.

Match box size. Material is unknown, but was said gold ( which is not ).

looks like a military collar tab
it doesnt date from 1375,
its most likely bronze

Originally posted by Marduk
looks like a military collar tab
it doesn't date from 1375,
its most likely bronze

Its' size is about a matches box size as well as the thickness.

A coin? or kind of payment/trade tools?

its difficult to make any suggestions without a little background
where does the picture come from ?
what is its background
then maybe I can help

Originally posted by Marduk
its difficult to make any suggestions without a little background
where does the picture come from ?
what is its background
then maybe I can help

The picture came from direct scan ( not taken from camera ). The metal was put on scanner.
I will ask the guy to take the picture of it from different angles.

The metal is believed to be dig out, in Indonesia, the largest moeslems country in the world.

I think it is a hoax, but the guy said they have hundreds pieces of them. I think it is Dutch related. It is clearly written V.O.C.

The Dutch East India company didnt even exist in 14th century so I doubt it has anything to do with that, unless the date isnt actually a date. Or its a poor hoax.

Originally posted by CinLung-Part-1

I think it is a hoax, but the guy said they have hundreds pieces of them. I think it is Dutch related. It is clearly written V.O.C.

Surely for it to be a hoax someone would have to be claiming the object is something it isn't?

As nobody seems to be making any claims about it how can it be a hoax?

This could be a commemorative item in relation to;

Laurentian Scholiast on Sophocles, O.C. 1375:
`And when Oedipus noticed the haunch he threw it on the ground and said: "Oh! Oh! my sons have sent this mocking me ..." So he prayed to Zeus the king and the other deathless gods that each might fall by his brother's hand and go down into the house of Hades.'

www.theoi.com...

Remember that Fathers Day is the 17th, all you Sons of Oedipus.



[edit on 9/6/07 by masqua]

I don't think that V.O.C. has anything to do with it.

looks more like OCV to me...

this is the Emblem of the Dutch East India Company (Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie or VOC in old-spelling Dutch

the fact that it is made of bronze indicates that it was designed for shipboard use as in those days they didn't have stainless steel and bronze doesnt corrode that quickly

I would say its a military style tag from a sailors uniform
the number is the VOC equivalent of a serial number for the person wearing it in the same fashion that Dog tags in modern armed forces also identify the wearer with a number and not their name

though cinlung must know all this already






[edit on 11-6-2007 by Marduk]

Originally posted by Marduk

the fact that it is made of bronze indicates that it was designed for shipboard use as in those days they didn't have stainless steel and bronze doesnt corrode that quickly

Hehehe........... smart British boy....

Originally posted by MardukI would say its a military style tag from a sailors uniform
the number is the VOC equivalent of a serial number for the person wearing it in the same fashion that Dog tags in modern armed forces also identify the wearer with a number and not their name

though cinlung must know all this already

Mmm I don't think so, it is quite thick (as thick as matches box). And the guy said it is quite heavy in fact, probably around 1/3 lbs. It is certainly not something for military to carry around the neck or chest.
And, they all have same numbers 1375. It could've indicating year, but many have said VOC didn't even exist yet during that year 1375.
If somebody hoaxed it, they should have known when VOC actually started.

Will carbon dating be a help?

Perhaps a so called expert like Sir Marduk will know it is the real stuff (originated on 1375) just by sniffing it?





I will send you a piece then.

[edit on 11-6-2007 by CinLung-Part-1]

belt buckle ?

you can't carbon date inorganic materials


you know it might be a small sample ingot as the Dutch east india company traded in tin and copper
the number therefore might identify the merchant who owned it

Originally posted by Marduk
belt buckle ?

I don't think so.

Originally posted by Mardukyou can't carbon date inorganic materials

I see, thanks for the information.

Originally posted by Mardukyou know it might be a small sample ingot as the Dutch east india company traded in tin and copper
the number therefore might identify the merchant who owned it

This sounds more like it. That is the most logical explanation.

Before this, I didn't know any single smart man from England.

CinLung and Marduk, you two crack me up.

I think that it is likely to be as Marduk said in his last post. Used for trade.

Maybe the number indicates value (how much it was "worth") , or even some representation of weight.