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UFO, holes in ground and a psychic - shocking

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posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 05:56 AM
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Before I get to the psychic and his visions, an introduction to Zdany and holes in ground.

1. Zdany, Poland
ufoevidence.org...
One of the best UFO photographs ever taken and a well documented observation. I suggest you read about it on the page linked above.

2. Holes in ground
Recently, a few articles popped up describing odd holes in the ground. They look like being drilled, with high precision, and no ground around the hole. The holes are up to 12,5 meters deep! Here are two examples (articles in Polish): www.nautilus.org.pl... and www.nautilus.org.pl...

3. The Psychic
Polish psychic, Krzysztof Jackowski, is widely known in Poland for his help in finding missing persons. He is often asked for help by police and families of the missing ones. He helped in such cases hundreds of times and his popularity even hurts his health - so many people ask for his help.

As a friend of the Nautilus Foundation's owner, he was asked to take a look at the pictures from Zdany.


And here the story begins.
video.google.com...
video.google.com...

Again, it's all in Polish, but it still should be entertaining to see a psychic work.


What's so amazing about it?
The first thing he says after touching the Zdany pictures was "a screw". Pretty odd thing to say about a UFO, right?
Then, he is given other pictures of a similar object, taken elsewhere in Poland. He says something about a church, a nun, who is afraid and wishes to keep her personality hidden. But that person couldn't allow these pictures to dust somewhere no one will ever see them, so she decided to send them to the Foundation, but write an anonymous letter, signed "Zygmunt SOUL". The last name surprised the psychic, but these details aren't relevant right now


Then, a very shocking thing - mr Jackowski again says "a screw". Now, he gives more details - this object is flying out from a very large object, very far away. It is a drone, unmanned aircraft, which is searching for potasium rich ground... and it drills holes in the ground and places something at 5 meters deep. He described this something as "storing genetics", and the object itseld as "interferer". Then, he said that this is done as preparation for something that is going to happen soon.
He was very schocked all the time, believing he was talking BS, but then he was told we have found these holes all over Poland and in other places in Europe, he couldn't believe it! When asked who is sending these drills, he only said "millions" and had no idea what it meant. Millions of people? Millions of alien races?


There is also one video which was not shown by the Nautilus Foundation - they wish to investigate it first, before releasing it to the public. It sucks for us, but I believe this decision is right - too much info at once could cause trouble (what if we could summon these objects? too many people would try that and... perhaps make the visitors reluctant to show themselves again).

The Foundation found the place the psychic told about in the vision - the monastery. They are on their way to this place right now. Also, the psychic said something about ruins of an old castle near the area, where these objects are visiting for a very, very long time.

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What do you think about all this? I must say, this thing shocked me a lot! Mr Jackowski was not informed about any of the cases - he wasn't ever interested in UFOs and even though he has psychic powers, he likes to "walk steadily on the ground", doesn't really believe in paranormal stuff... he was also pretty shocked during these visions and will perform another in the coming weeks.

What's most shocking, is the "storing genetics" and preparation for something that is going to happen... I couldn't sleep last night!

[edit on 6-6-2007 by relu84]



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 10:12 AM
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Amazing pictures, i have to say.
Can we get a specialist working to this? See if this can be CGI?



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 10:28 AM
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even if its not CGI, it could just as easily be two metal bowls joined together and tossed in the air - the altitude is so low.

and as for this psychic guy... can you create a link to give us an idea of his credibility? and these holes... perhaps they are human made (e.g. sediment sampling, probing for water, etc.)

I'm not saying its fake, im just saying there are a lot of quacks out there, and we have to look at all the facts not just the convenient ones.



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 01:17 PM
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The story on this one is very interesting but its going to take a lot of convincing evidence for anyone here at ATS to take it seriously.



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 01:28 PM
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There aren't any English articles about Krzysztof Jackowski, only a few Polish ones. He is widely known in Poland, he even had a documentary tv show and whenever someone is missing, they say on tv that the police is using help of a psychic, clairvoyant, or whatever you call it. Even people who say they don't believe in anything paranormal, start questioning their reality when they hear about this guy...

Here are a few scans of documents which with thanks to him - including from the police.
www.nautilus.org.pl...

My first thought after seeing these pictures from Zdany was - it's CGI or... bowls joined together and tossed in the air, so I totally understand your scepticism.
The guys at Nautilus Foundation were also skeptical and they made experiments which included tossing two bowls glued together - different sizes. It was impossible to achieve the same effect!
Here is a big desctiption of the Zdany case including the experiment with the bowels (scroll down for a few small pics) www.nautilus.org.pl...

They say:
- bowels, 21 centimeters in size, when ten meters away from the camera, were seen as a dot on the pictures
- the bowels were extremely difficult to toss
- the bowels got dirty very fast - the object on the Zdany pictures is very, very clear
- it was very hard to synchronize the tossing of bowels and shooting a photo
- the road is pretty busy, other people were looking at these guys and laughed their asses off
(there were very many witnesses to the object due to the fact that many cars drive this road)

I wrote about a similar object photographed elsewhere in my first post. Here are the shots: www.nautilus.org.pl... (scroll down a bit) - the article also describes a story of a Japanese Airlines pilot who saw a similar object in 1986. Take a look at the drawings (top of page) to draw your conclusions as to how similar the object was. This thing was visible on radar and this case is one of the most credible UFO cases in Japan...

We may be on to something here. And "storing genetics", plus preparing for something that's gonna happen... it sounds very troubling.

[edit on 6-6-2007 by relu84]

[edit on 6-6-2007 by relu84]



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 03:30 PM
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These pictures were included in an earlier discussion. The general consensus had been that the images are that of two metal bowls stuck together and then thrown into the sky.



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 03:49 PM
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Does the psychic have any clues as to what kind of salad was in there?

"I'm having a vision ))))), "chicken", "mayonaise", a "nun"...

See how it all comes together now?

No, I'm just joking. It could be real. It is a very interesting post.

I noticed though, how recently photo editing software has become so common, affordable, digital cameras, etc. We are seeing clearer, closer pictures of UFO's. Before the software became common we only saw vague images, blurry shadows.

The one thing that caught my eye, was how the rim of the object resembles the product of the metal stamping process, where the edge of the bowl is folded.

[edit on 6-6-2007 by Electro38]

[edit on 6-6-2007 by Electro38]



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 03:53 PM
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Those holes reming me of Mels Hole. Perhaps this could be due to the same reason these holes were supposable created? Interesting none the less. If what the guys saying is true, then we could find whats at the bottom of the hole if we had good enough equipment.



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by ETDisclosure
Amazing pictures, i have to say.
Can we get a specialist working to this? See if this can be CGI?


The Zdany pictures have been discussed all over the internet at great length. There is nothing in the story or the photographs that rule out an easy hoax, and that is the general consensus. In any case, the object is quite small, could easily be tossed in the air by hand and there should be many more photographs over the period of time described.

Even if it's not a hoax, there is nothing strange or anomalous in the pictures - just two shiny half-spheres somehow bonded together, in midair at low altitude.



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 05:07 PM
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If anything is worth saying its said in English.

I also think its a metal object just being tossed in the air and then photographed.

to easy to do IMO



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 05:36 PM
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So far as the holes go I did not see anything to interesting with them, just holes.
I saw what looked like roots so they are probably to to new.
That's bout all that I saw with them.



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 05:37 PM
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Oh man it's so obvious the pictures are made up. The lighting is all unnatural...we scrutinize over apollo pictures for every little possible anomalous shadow, but we accept this???



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by tombangelta
If anything is worth saying its said in English.

I also think its a metal object just being tossed in the air and then photographed.

to easy to do IMO


Possably filled with helium ballons or some sort of helium bladder to give more time for photos?

Edit to add the metal could be very thin - tin like. Pressure from ballons may limit denting when it hits the deck.

Or not metal at all, just sprayed or something.

[edit on 6/6/2007 by Now_Then]



posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 07:13 PM
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I,m sorry to say it does look like two metal salad bowls welded togeather, but mabe i'm wrong. It just seems like its fake and its kind of low in the air. Who knows??The holes do seem like they were drilled. Strange.



posted on Jun, 7 2007 @ 02:02 AM
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I will say that if it is two bowls stuck together and tossed, why are there no footprints in the snow from retrieving it?

The airplane in the photo is a good indicator of time, it show the contrail being formed as it flies.

Those old guys were scrambling like mad to fetch that thing and throw it again in relation to the distance the plane traveled. That or they had a whole stash of those things, but then where are the ones on the ground they already tossed?

I want to know if the camera was digital or film. The cars stopped working but the camera still did?



posted on Jun, 7 2007 @ 03:07 AM
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relu, I find this quite interesting and would like further clarification. Did you translate what he says from the video yourself? After he touches the zdany pics, you say they hand him a another pic, the ones in the second video I presume. Do you have a link to these pictures?

Has anyone tried to look for one of these "objects" that store genetic material?

Has anyone looked into the meaning of Zygmunt SOUL? Is Zygmunt a common name in Poland or eastern Europe? why did you capitalize SOUL?



posted on Jun, 7 2007 @ 04:29 AM
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I capitalized soul (in Polish: dusza), because that's one of the thing mr Jackowski "detected" even before opening the envelope (and its relation to a church or monastery). He then described the person who did it and stuff.

The other pictures with a similar object are here: www.nautilus.org.pl...
www.nautilus.org.pl...
www.nautilus.org.pl...

These photographs were scanned. The Zdany pictures are digital.


It could not have been bowls tossed in the air - it's very hard to toss two bowls glued togetherk, at least without being seen on the picture.

Also, if these pics were fake, wouldn't the psychic detect it? If, ofcourse, we believe in such powers of clayrvoyancy.


You guys talk on these forums about stuff like bases on the moon and refuse to believe in any of this? It's kind of confusing to me


And look at this: www.nautilus.org.pl... - top of the page, a drawing from 1986 (wrote about it briefly in my previous post).


It would be best if I could add subtitles to the videos... but that's a lot of work and I don't even know how to do it


[edit on 7-6-2007 by relu84]



posted on Jun, 7 2007 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by relu84And look at this: www.nautilus.org.pl... - top of the page, a drawing from 1986 (wrote about it briefly in my previous post).


More about that sighting here:

"According to Captain Kenju Terauchi, First Officer Takanori Tamefuji and Flight Engineer Yoshio Tsukuda, two small lights and one huge lighted object were in sight on their radar for more than a half hour. They watched as they flew 350 miles (550 km.) southward across Alaska from Ft. Yukon toward Anchorage."

www.ufologie.net...



posted on Jun, 7 2007 @ 09:20 AM
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Translated via www.poltran.com...
www.nautilus.org.pl...

Reader of part has informed about hole Nautilusa, which (who) has sent material from part rosyjskojęzycznej. Opening has been found in forest nearly Charkowa. Approach that vehicle is practically impossible for this place according to persons describing find. Hole, which (who) on depth 18 meters own 1,2 m pull średnicę. It does not leave presented photographic material doubt they are smoothed walls of openings -. Has no trails showing mining from center of (means of) land (earth). Pit is placed on end of opening on 2-3 meters to each part breaking up. As yet, it all informations, we own that on this theme.

But now a bit history. Informations of have appeared in multimedia former at the end summer (year) eightieth USSR it, that deep openings are found in the area of this country in land (earth), on emerged in result of high interaction of temperature looking. Who and it openings in that purpose execute remain riddle. It has dealt with theme know russian ufolog, Michał Gersztejn. Article has published in (to) 1998 , it has presented analyzed cases (accidentally) related in which (who) with openings in land (earth). For example, it was observed in 1994 year nearly shining object flying Omska, which (who) moved after sky big zakosami and it was directed towards land (earth) immediately. It has been concealed behind trees at the end. Carry have caused on second (other) day of search sensational discovery huge opening recover on nearby field about for five meters - coming średnicy. Walls of openings were surprisingly smooth, but depth came for four meter (subway) and a half. Shows there was around gram mined land (earth) ni. It recover no trails for it showing stay of people with equipment wiertniczym. It was possible to think, that huge cylinder has been sticked to land (earth), which (who) has flown off sample of ground next carrying away (get down). It recover second (other) pit nearby too, considerably smallest, it totaled (take away; amount to) which (who) meter (subway) near semi < tail > średnica. Land (earth) was on partitions also spieczona. Opening was not so regular < Self-service store >. It remember ellipse but circle not. It was deep for it surprisingly, had over 15 meters. There was curious, that ground found in this place of water on depth 6 meters sie. But hole was dry!

They have appeared in 1990 year of huge ten of (ten of) hole on fields and steppes of kazakhstan. Just as in former case (accidentally), it totaled (take away; amount to) 5 meters hole średnica. Remaining features were repeated too ascertain round form, smooth partitions. Specialists have concerned one of such hole from launching pad Bajkonur. After carried research and they have come for conclusion surveys, that surely there is not effect of decay of space body neither too experiments military < military >. It ascertain go up radiation in place of event. It make attempts of (tests of) sticking to such rock-bottom of steel opening too prętu. Two meters have been sticked human power pręta, next meter (subway) behind assistance of hammer -. Research have been ended on

In other area of soviet relationship (association), crimes has managed in (to) on even " place " Baszkirii zaobserować NOL-a. Vibrant, they circulated over land (earth) ball ciemnoczerwone. Have approach observers for this place courage. As it happens on second (other) day after departure of ball only, that there where objects about deep openings circulate appear one meter (subway) średnicy. The same ball in 1990 year 25 meter in area exactly " " land (earth) wyssała sześciennych Dubieńskim.


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posted on Jun, 7 2007 @ 09:20 AM
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Laboratory research carried on samples bulw and they have allowed to ascertain decrease of (flagging of) amount of some chemical relationship (association) on soil around one of opening in comparison with collected control samples stems of potatoes bred. It concerned it as zink such radicals, phosphorus and mangan, amount has fallen off which (who) 2-3 fold. Concentration of copper has fallen off in stems about poowę and phosphorus. Appearance was completely incomprehensible 12 more too -fold itru and zirconium. Then, they have not found answers on question researching it strange phenomenon what for openings are made. Anybody < somebody > carries away soil in that purpose. Hypothesis has appeared , that foreign be able to fabricate energy from soil. Fact had to show (to testify) these hypotheses about credibility, that it undergoes decrease (flagging) in places of landings concentration many relationship (association) chemical UFO.

There will be key project realized from editorial in land (earth) by foundation in next months openings wanted < search > Nautilus. Not long ago we described case (accidentally) with (from) on silesia < silesian > Przegędzy. Have places in poland already wytypowane, we will start our searches from which (who).



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