Germmay and Italian used their F-104 to be attacker role is not a strong evidence to prove they want an attacker......
Do you want to have a think about that emile?
Germany *bought* the F-104G for the attack role, the MRCA was to be its replacement - quite strong evidence there.
Italy bought the F-104S as an all weather interceptor but, due to their *need* for a high performance strike aircraft they were *forced* to deploy a
large proportion of their Starfighters in that role, MRCA was purpose designed to allow these Starfighters to be re-deployed. The F-104S was brand new
and still in production at Fiat during the MRCA programme so Italy had no requirement for an interceptor replacement. That need emerged with the much
I'd say that is conclusive that both countries wanted an attack aircraft.
Also conclusive is that they *bought* over 400 strike Tornadoes between them but not one interceptor, despite the ADV being part of the overall MRCA
programme from the start, as I said before, the F-4E and F-104S were still new, only the UK was looking for an interceptor.
If they wanted a light fighter they would not have taken part in Tornado at all, they would have bought the F-16 like everyone else did. Do you
imagine that the UK forced them to take part?
.....even a bomber to be an interceptor, not even attacker simply.
you'll have to run that by me again, I don't know what it means, sorry.
Italian and rest of nation in JWG, all want a fighter or interceptor, only Germany need a strike aircraft.
You seem to be implying here that the JWG was happily working on a light fighter until the UK muscled in and changed it to a plane that nobody else
wanted, are you?
If you are, you are looking at the Tornadoes development 'arse about face', as we say here.
The Tornado is based on the BAC UKVG, that is its basic starting point, all the JWG members came to the programme after this was created as its
starting point. During the definition phase some members decided it wasn't really what they wanted or that they couldn't afford it, most of those
eventually settled on the F-16, those two that remained in what had now become the MRCA did so freely, because it was the aircraft they needed, over
800 Tornadoes were evenutally built for these three nations.
Right from the very beginning the UK never wavered from the central premise that it wanted to build an all-weather two seater with the very best
navigational and weapon delivery systems available.
The only difference between the nations was that the RAF and Marineflieger wanted this all-weather two seater while the Luftwaffe and Italian air
force wanted a simpler clear weather single seater. These were being developed as the Panavia 100 and 200 within the same programme so the lighter
simpler version you are alluding to was in there.
The sixth member, Belgium, was the first to leave, this was for financial rather than operational reasons though. Canada left, not because it didn't
want the Tornado, but because its armed forced were being reorganized into today's joint CAF, and so it didn't want to commit financially to the
development of a plane it didn't yet know if it wanted or not.
Then, the Luftwaffe conducted its own study which concluded that the all-weather two seater was the right way to go and Italy concurred with that
report so, with the agreement of all partners the, now unwanted, Panavia 100 was dropped.
So, without the UK involvement (apart from the fact there would have been no programme at all) the single seat light tactical fighter you are
advocating would, in fact, have been scrapped at the development stage because both Italy and Germany came to their own conclusion that they didn't
According to Tornado Multi-role combat aircraft written by Jon lake and Mike Crutch, Italian and rest of nation in JWG, all want a fighter or
Can you scan and post this paragraph, like I say, I really don't see two countries buying hundreds of planes they don't want, do you?
[edit on 31-5-2007 by waynos]