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posted on May, 26 2007 @ 01:59 PM
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I Know this will set the Patriots off but hear me out.

America is not the land of the brave or the free, America was a land for desperate souls to flee to, America was a new land to escape to, but the escapees had the parisite on there backs.

Now America is the home of the scared, those early explorers who wanted to escape the tyrany and poverty of their home countries found a short lived garden of eden.

Now America stands for be scared, be frightened, worry about your next pay check, about terrorists, is your wife cheating on you, dose my boss like me, will my neighbours sue me, will my kids grow up gang members, will they shoot up the school, will I be sent to war, will I lose my rights, whats happend to my pension plan, why are there so many imigrants in the country, will there be hospital care for grandma, can I afford gas, can I afford food, do the Goverment care about us, why do people hate us.

That is the reality for so many or lets say for the bulk of the population, yet for the few the future is not just rosy its positively golden. Whilst the many suffer and strive for the few things are getting better all the time, I dont need to list them here because you all know what I mean.

And in a strange way the country that so many Americans despise is the country that gave them so much and a country that America in modern times reflects the country in past times. Maybe like this country America or should I say its people need to stand up on their hind legs and fight for what their forebears fought for, to live in a land free of corruption, persecution, tyranny and want, to live in a land of LIBERTY, EQUALITY and FRATERNITY.



posted on May, 26 2007 @ 03:05 PM
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America is not the land of the brave or the free, America was a land for desperate souls to flee to, America was a new land to escape to, but the escapees had the parisite on there backs.


It was a place for those oppressed in their beliefs to find refuge and the right to practice as they wish, without a tyrannical oversight of their every moves, regulations emplaced upon their actions, beliefs and so forth -- Europe later then molded its self around the images of the American revolution -- refer to French Revolution.



Now America is the home of the scared, those early explorers who wanted to escape the tyrany and poverty of their home countries found a short lived garden of eden.


Hmm yes, no, sort of. I am not going to preach to you about how great America is blah blah blah. American's I think are typically more "edgy" then other peoples, as a society, it is one of our general traits..

If you watch American news you would see why.. new statistics are crammed down our throats every morning, this food will kill you, this food makes you fat, this pill gets rid of fat, this same pill gives you strokes, heart attacks, and the runs. We hear numbers every where.. from numbers in political polls, to new medical findings that give us a new and lame way to die.

The threat of death, destruction, annihilation, unhealthy, poverty, debt, debt and more debt, and more expenses, are literally hanging over us every second of the day thanks to Media, radio, commercials, "news" ..

Those who think terrrist are going to kill us may be "ignorant" in many peoples eyes, and yet those who see them as ignorant are just as afraid of "neocons" .. same people, same boat, same method of sinking.




Now America stands for be scared, be frightened, worry about your next pay check, about terrorists, is your wife cheating on you, dose my boss like me, will my neighbours sue me, will my kids grow up gang members, will they shoot up the school, will I be sent to war, will I lose my rights, whats happend to my pension plan, why are there so many imigrants in the country, will there be hospital care for grandma, can I afford gas, can I afford food, do the Goverment care about us, why do people hate us.


In your eyes as a non-American, perhaps.. I don't think every American feels this way at all though..

Worrying about your next pay check? .. Surely this is not alone to America? .. If anything it should show that America is not filled with rich snobs hell bent on world domination.. but that they are often FAR to busy worrying about FEEDING their family then about world politics.

Terrorist.. I don't think I have ever met anyone (except one colorful man in Kentucky a few years ago........) who actually feared terrorism... do you think we LIKE have a practical strip search to get on a plane, or hell, enter disney world? Common man..

Wife cheating? .. I again assume this is not alone to America lol. I don't know of anyone personally that thinks this, however I know plenty who have had divorces.. American's suffer from depression far more then many other nations, as a result this feeling of "I don't know what I want to make me happy" comes in, and often ends marriages..

Does my boss like me? ... what?

Will my neighbors sue me? .. That is actually a real concern sometimes.. in America you can sued for just about anything anymore.. ask Democratic hopeful John Edwards. He made a living (a very well to do living) off of ripping innocent people out of money. Oops. I meant Sueing people.

Trial lawyers.


Kids growing up to be gang members? .. If your kids that retarded, I suppose you could be concerned. If anything, in America, its the lack of wondering if your kid will end up like that, not actually worrying.


Shoot up the school? Not a big concern. The TV media makes a big deal out of it, but on average 20-30 kids die a year in schools out of a population of 300,000,000 people, 20-30 is not bad at all. Not to mention more then half of that is drug related.

Sent to war? Not a concern AT ALL.

Loosing rights? .. a few are concerned, the problem is, its a very few few.

What's happened to my pension plan? ... sounds like personal problems, but not a wide spread problem???

Why are there so many immigrants in my country? We know full well "why" there are ILLEGAL immigrants in this country... the problem is more in line with the influx of 20 million people on an UNDERFUNDED INFRASTRUCTURE is causing severe stress in high influx regions.. the result is higher taxation for citizens, billions more in expenses for state and local government THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REFUSES TO PAY FOR. Yet it is the federal pushing for more immigration. It's not that we don't "want" immigrants, we want regulated immigration, that's all.

Will there be hostpitals for grandma? ......... there are more nursing homes, private healthcare, hostpitals, ect then you can shake a stick at my friend. More expensive then socialized medicine, but better care.



posted on May, 26 2007 @ 06:10 PM
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Rock, thank you for your contribution, I think some of my post go lost in the translation though. For a start remember you do not speak for the people of America, there are more people suffering and going without in the US than in many countries.

School shootings, last time I looked the US was not made up of 300 mil children, so thats wrong. the mere fact that you would expect to here such kind of news eminating from some despot country rather than a worlds democracy is cause for concern.

There may be health care but can all Americans afford it, your social program is falling through the floor, compare it to EU standards.

Hind legs and all that, I'm talking about France, France has given so much to America, yet you seem to forget it so easily, and yes France or the French people fought the tyranny of their Goverment and ruling classes, but I'll forgive you cause I know Americans aint that clever.


And how do you measure freedom, by what standard, I could state that you are all financial slaves, that is true is it not., how long to pay off 10 trillion and counting. Freedom has many faces you know.

Sorry I have not answered all your points, its late.



posted on May, 26 2007 @ 08:00 PM
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For a start remember you do not speak for the people of America, there are more people suffering and going without in the US than in many countries


Last I looked, thats exactly what I said.



School shootings, last time I looked the US was not made up of 300 mil children, so thats wrong. the mere fact that you would expect to here such kind of news eminating from some despot country rather than a worlds democracy is cause for concern.



300+ million PEOPLE not children. Not all school shooting are done by children, in fact college shootings are added into the large statistics before divided into sub categories such as high school, middle school, elementary, college.. and so forth...

You don't "hear" about it from "despot" countries because most have state run media.. as for Europe, younger age crime is still a concern, maybe no shootings in the class room, but thats a social problem America has to deal with.



There may be health care but can all Americans afford it, your social program is falling through the floor, compare it to EU standards.


Depends on the person and whats wrong.. for the most part there are so many private organizations, funds, benefits and so forth if you had no money you could find HELP.. just assistance.. I personally COULD afford healthcare, but honestly I don't think it's worth $450 a month or what ever it is through my company.



Hind legs and all that, I'm talking about France, France has given so much to America, yet you seem to forget it so easily


................................................ is this a British joke? .. Because I don't tend to grasp British humor.

What has France given us? .. Except for a statue made of bronze that turned green shortly there after?



, and yes France or the French people fought the tyranny of their Goverment and ruling classes, but I'll forgive you cause I know Americans aint that clever.


Aside from the fact that I am clever enough to know right now your being nothing more then a loud mouthed bigot taking a cheap shot at an entire people, and my self personally, I have no idea what the hell your actually trying to mean about this. Yes France fought off "tyranny" .. I said that, so what the hell are you talking about?



And how do you measure freedom, by what standard, I could state that you are all financial slaves, that is true is it not., how long to pay off 10 trillion and counting. Freedom has many faces you know.


Freedom is essentially measured by the ability one can do something with out interference.. our businesses are less regulated, our people less regulated.. its a HELL of a lot harder to be tried for a crime then it is in France or many other European countries.. for the most part America is far more lenient on assemblies then other countries, for example we allow millions of illegal criminals to march in our streets. Minorities and college students march in France and they get a water cannon.


I know the Liberal Left of American politics, and the socialist control over much of European media will make you think America is some great evil, but in comparison to so many other countries, its just not a good representation of the truth...

As for the 10 trillion .. I don't think you understand economics if you think debt is "bad" in this sense.

By the way friend, this thread is slipping dangerously into a serious American - bashing rant.

[edit on 5/26/2007 by Rockpuck]



posted on May, 26 2007 @ 10:45 PM
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Oh yes, your country is the greatest in the world! In fact, it's the only country!



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 01:46 AM
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I worry I will admit that. I worry about all kinds of daily things, but sared.

No im not scared. Ive got a 9mm, AK and a nice bow. for some reason having them in my house makes me very brave. And if someone invaded me I would fill the air with lead. I aint scared.



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 05:15 AM
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Good thread topic magicmushroom.
You're gonna get a lot of flack from the deniers, but they will only prove you right with their defensive reactions.



Originally posted by earth2
I worry I will admit that. I worry about all kinds of daily things, but sared.
No im not scared. Ive got a 9mm, AK and a nice bow. for some reason having them in my house makes me very brave.


Hehe funny how scared people grab for things to make them selves feel brave. You only think you're not scared, if you were truly not scared you wouldn't even need those weapons. Fear is the very reason people arm themselves.
But really it's not so much individual fear, as societal fear. Whether you like it or not individual members within a society are affected by that society.

It's this fear that keeps society, as a whole, from developing socially and spiritually. It keeps society divided. We have replaced personal growth with technological growth. We fill our empty lives with material things.
When people are scared they don't function well creatively. A scared society is in survival mode, even when they are in the land of plenty. Most of the fear is totally irrational. Fear of terrorists, for example, when the chances, in the U.S., of being killed in a terrorist act is about the same as getting hit by a meteor. Need a hard hat to go with that gun mate?
Society has become lazy, we let other people do our thinking for us, and they are telling us we are in danger constantly, and we need their protection, product, belief system. If you pay attention you can see the game quite clearly. See the big picture, see the connections. A society that is based on other peoples thoughts, fears, doubts, beliefs, hopes, losses, gains, is not a free society.
Society is manipulated constantly by some authority to push it in a direction they want it to go in. Along with the constant affirmation that authority is good, and right, and in control. Tell people something often enough and it becomes a truth. Especially if you offer no alternative, and society has been lulled into passivity.
It’s all a trick and it’s coming from all directions, you’re in fear of the wrong thing.

This is a good article about the terrorist threat…
Is there still a terrorist threat?



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 05:32 AM
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Rock I dont think America is a great evil anymore than Iran but the fact remains that your country and its people have been highjacked by corporate corruption.

Your military is being used to wage wars for corporate greed and not for your safety or freedom.

Againn the minute anyone says anything about the US its labelled anti American. Have you ever stopped and thought that there are real reasons for peoples comments, no you dont you here something you dont like and go straight onto the attack.

The countries that make up the Western World, do go around killing their own people or invading other countries but the US dose, the US has got lots of problems, one of them being that it thinks it is superior to all others, the do as I say not as I do attitude.

Americans arent scared are they, perhaps you can explain why so many own guns and why so many would not give them up.

The Goverment has got you all paranoid about terrorists and Muslims, you only have to look at the comments on these boards to see that.

The difference is between you and I that if you were saying the same about my country I would be concerned if I thought your comments to be true thats whats important not some blind patriotic dogma. If you do not acknowledge that things are wrong then you cannot put them right can you.



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 08:03 AM
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[quoit] there are more people suffering and going without in the US than in many countries.

I don't buy this. The USA is not a third world country yet. See this video to see what will happen to the USA if immigration is not controlled.

www.abovetopsecret.com...'


School shootings, last time I looked the US was not made up of 300 mil children, so thats wrong. the mere fact that you would expect to here such kind of news eminating from some despot country rather than a worlds democracy is cause for concern.


No one can stop mental illness. This last shooter at V-tech was missed by the authorities, the ball was dropped on this guy. Gun Free zones will get you killed every time. Why don't these nut job's attach a police station?

[quoit]There may be health care but can all Americans afford it, your social program is falling through the floor, compare it to EU standards.[/quoit]

This is funny. Health care is not an entitlement, never was. It's the communist/ socialist politician and the new media that believe that , so they can divide this country and build a larger entitlement group to take more money from the citizens of this country.

[quoit]Hind legs and all that, I'm talking about France, France has given so much to America, yet you seem to forget it so easily, and yes France or the French people fought the tyranny of their Goverment and ruling classes, but I'll forgive you cause I know Americans aint that clever.
[/quoit]

WHAT THE HELL??? You forget World War I and World War II? There are hundreds of USA service men buried in France and don't you forget it.

[quoit]And how do you measure freedom, by what standard, I could state that you are all financial slaves, that is true is it not., how long to pay off 10 trillion and counting. Freedom has many faces you know.

Sorry I have not answered all your points, its late.

This is the only one I can give you. The US government has spent far to much money trying to keep Western Europe out of the hands of the former USSR. We have given Western Europe far to much! Pay us back NOW!

We will take PayPal, money order or a cashiers check.

Roper

[edit on 27-5-2007 by Roper]



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by magicmushroom
its people have been highjacked by corporate corruption.

Your military is being used to wage wars for corporate greed and not for your safety or freedom.

The OP seems to not realize that Europe was the largest set of Imperialist Nations in the world until the early 1900’s. Also it seems to elude him that these big nasty US corporations are not only owned by Americans, but rather mostly by foreign investors. As long as we are on the topic, which banks hold the loans on these corporations, and who insures them?



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 12:41 PM
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Indeed Defcon ..

This thread started out as a good discussion, however it is blatantly clear that this non-American now knows more then any American about his own country. Oh, do continue Mushroom, tell us our evil ways because our politics don't live up TO YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS. You are mistaking REAL PROBLEMS with your own political views.

"waging wars for corporate greed" ...... crap like that. That is not a "fact" its a personal view, you cannot talk **** about a country just because you don't like their politics.

Sometimes man, your hatred is incredibly pathetic. It honestly is.



Americans arent scared are they, perhaps you can explain why so many own guns and why so many would not give them up.


Jesus Christ man. You think every gun owner owns a gun and sits on the couch, petting their pistol waiting for the big bad terrist?.. well I wouldn't doubt it with your shrewed line of thought..

Guns are owned for hunting, collecting, just to have a gun because you can. When I was a boy I had more then one gun, used it for target shooting all the time. In June I am going to get another gun simply because I can. Do you think me owning a gun is going to perpetuate the cycle of violence? Only a truly misinformed hate filled bigot could honestly think that all American's that own guns are gun toting trigger happy terrrrist hunting violent psychopaths.

Guns are ingrained to our society, its who we are, if you have a problem with that to # bad. I personally couldn't care less what you think to be honest.

Maybe the real question that should be asked, is why is it European countries fear guns so much? .. Why do their governments do everything they can to ensure people don't have them? .... hmmmm

Tell me, if your government went radical in a matter of years, fell into dispare and a tyrant took over. What can you do?




[edit on 5/27/2007 by Rockpuck]



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 02:39 PM
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Rock this is a good tread only people such as you spoil it, your to emotional for logical discussion. You cannot stand to hear anything said about your country, you accept the media diatribe.

The fact of the matter is that many Americans are concerned about whats happening to their country and there are many others who do not know whats going on.

My political views are irrelevant, if you as an individual cannot see what is going on then you are blind or choose to be so.

How many Americans think their Goverment is corrupt, how many think they were lied to about 9/11, how many think the war in Iraq is wrong.

But I,m sure you will turn this into a slug fest, I want to hear what free thinking Americans think on these matters.

So you think your Goverment is radical, what would I do in such a case, who knows till the event is upon you, but as I stated in my op the Goverment is there at the behest of the people, and it is up to the people to remove said Goverment if they the Goverment become corrupt and threaten to remove liberties and freedom.

That is exactly what is happening in the US, fraudulent elections, wire taps, Patriot1/2, American people murdered by the Goverment, illegal wars for proffit and so on.



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 03:42 PM
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American is by no means perfect and some of it's citizens suffer in some ways. There are many other places in the world that a worst off with people suffering much more.

Please promote your country as the land of the milk and honey so all the people coming here may change their plans and immigrate to your place. It will save them the "disappointment" of what they find when they get here.

Anti-American talk may succede in convincing more and more Americans that their belief in what is perceived as undesirable and negative actions by the government toward the world is really the correct thing to do.



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by roadgravel
Anti-American talk may succede in convincing more and more Americans that their belief in what is perceived as undesirable and negative actions by the government toward the world is really the correct thing to do.



I'd worry more about what the gov't is doing to it's own people first. Lovely thing you've got going on there. Using the media to actually hype the people. I agree with the premise of the thread. America IS being scared. Not by outside sources but by it's own gov't. Sad.



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 04:08 PM
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From what I find talking to people, things do not change here, as far as government or big business actions, is because people are not scared enough. I hear very few people stating their lives are terrible and they are scared that all will end shortly. Maybe a few officials of the government think they are setting up an empire but the proof will be when these official try to force it on the common man. It isn't going to happen. Without the people, what will they have?



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by roadgravel
From what I find talking to people, things do not change here, as far as government or big business actions, is because people are not scared enough. I hear very few people stating their lives are terrible and they are scared that all will end shortly. Maybe a few officials of the government think they are setting up an empire but the proof will be when these official try to force it on the common man. It isn't going to happen. Without the people, what will they have?


I really don't know how to respond to this as I'm not sure what you're really saying. I see the news(all stations, I prefer what I read at ATS, it's nonpartisan). I see the posts here. I see the commercial programing. I reason out what I see and your gov. is screwing with you BIG TIME. You don't see this?



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 04:45 PM
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Hi Road, the problem is that what is happening inside of America to Americans is very subtle, its slow changes that dont arouse to much suspsition.

Look at it this way acts of terrorism have existed throught the ages its nothing new but try to imagine Waco happening before say ww2 what would have been the response by the people.

Now Americans are told daily that their lives are in danger from terrorists which is plainly not true, more Americans die each year from their fellow Americans than from terrorists but is that published daily.

The American public have been told to expect attacks on a regular basis, what crap, living in a country that suffered 30 years of terorism we were not subjected to such propaganda.

People do and may have concerns but many are arfaid to voice their opinions, how many stories have we heard of people being arrested or banned from school for wearing anti goverment slogans.

Democracies are always in a state of flux the said Goverment bringing in changes and the people resisting those changes. But when you move away from that and start to imprison people for their beliefs or right to voice their opinions then you are moving towards a dictatorship.

Look at it this way America is a huge country with massive borders and coastlines it is nigh impossible to prevent would be terrorists from getting in. So why all the draconian legislation foisted on the American people, to me this states the threat is from within and not from without.

The border with Mexico is a good example, its got more holes than a Swiss cheese, if you cannot stop these people from getting in whats the point of having such laws.

Despite what some say about me I see it this way, the majority of Americans are like everyone else, they want to live, enjoy life, have kids, good schools, health care, to be free to voice their views and concerns, have a home and food in their bellies, to feel safe and all the rest of it.

The problem is there are those who dont want that and it does not matter what colour they are or religion or nationality, they are ready to kill and inncarserate their own in their quest for their goals.

When you see a great democracy killing its own people you start asking questions, where will it lead to, what is the goal of those who commit these crimes, is it just power and money or is it something else.



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 05:22 PM
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My personal feelings is that big business in America is what should be feared. It has much to do with what the government is and becomes. Money gets what it wants. People may see the average american as a bad guy and target but we get much of the same as the rest of the world. We are a resource to exploit just like other countries. Most of what is going on now is for the benefit of business. The big men in the government are making money because they are tied to these businesses. Stock invests can work wonders.

When the middle class business people feel their chances disappearing then maybe it will be different. Until then they will just ride the wave and collect the so called trickle down.

I have already heard the wake up call. My life is different since it has hit me. Maybe for the better in the long run.



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 05:27 PM
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roadgravel, I think you've got it. The problem with the middle class is that we're so damn busy trying to provide for our families, working 3-4 jobs for 2 parents, assuming there's 2 parents in a family, helping our kids with the homework. THEN cooking and cleaning, doing the bills, etc, we have little time to think of what the PTB are doing to us. I'm glad you are awake.



posted on May, 27 2007 @ 05:29 PM
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What is truly scary to me is the Apathy.

I must admit, I am as apathetic as the next person. I explore, I find things that are obvious and need to be addressed, I look at everything the media presents as agenda oriented discourse.

Thing is I feel powerless against this giant octopus that has encircled and is squeezing most the time. I am waiting for someone else to make the move, and to tell me what to do. Or that maybe something divine will quide when the time comes. It is an interesting place to be, here in the heartland of good ole USA.

I feel this country gave people a chance to feel empowered early on, making them believe it all meant something and that freedom would stand and could be defended.

Of course, that was before flouride and television...........

Just some thoughts




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