I would like to again thank chissler, as well as ATS, for making this debate possible. I would like to also thank my opponent Clearwater, for her
unique perspective which has kept me on my toes. To the judges, I thank you as well, for your time and consideration in judging this debate.
With that said, let me continue to address some of the most recent arguments posed by my opponent here.
Statistics surrounding abortion are notoriously unreliable, even so, the statistics you cite show that well over half of the elective reasons
cited are due to economic reasons: The 42% of unmarried women present a single wage earner
You began in your opening statement citing statistics without sources, I thought for the benefit of the debate, I would give actual statistics from a
reputable source, the Guttmacher Institute.
To assume, as you have, that because a woman is not married, she is living life as a single wage earner and thus economically oppressed, denies that
women co-habitate out of wedlock, and further denies that they cite ‘unmarried’ for a variety of non-economic reasons, such as personal, familial,
and religious reasons for not having a child while unmarried, and including the possibility she is single for the same reasons she wishes not to be a
mother, not wanting to be tied down with responsibilities to another being.
She may also not want to have a baby with her current partner, doesn’t know if the relationship is stable, or doesn’t even know who the father is.
Thus we can clearly see, a woman chooses abortion because of a wide variety of reasons, excluding economic reasons, by citing ‘unmarried’ as a
it is fact not opinion that of the half of marriages that end in divorce - only 25% of those men dutifully support their children financially
(snip) It is fact not opinion that 95% of men never miss a car payment
No, that is not really an actual fact, but a distorted one. For the real facts, and the sake of space, I will provide a link to an outside source
which shows that only a small percentage of men (11%) truly deny any financial obligations.
child support statistics
You can see by that link that 3/4 of women do not want child support for various reasons. That would explain why only 25% of women receive it. Some
never ask for it, or make other financial arrangements with the father instead of actual court mandated child support. So, the remaining 89% of men,
some of who do not even know they are fathers, are not trying to escape responsibility at all.
As far as men and car payments, I was unable to verify the statistic you cite. However, it bodes well for them to be financially responsible with
their credit and make their car payments, as I am sure they have entered into a legally binding contract, where the majority of women have not sought
the same contract in child support.
Presenting abortion as the only option to preserving a woman's access to education and gainful employment
I’m not presenting abortion as the only option for anything, nor as the only way to preserve access for education or employment. The right to choose
abortion as a viable and valid choice for many women for many reasons, including continuing with their education or career, if they do not desire to
try to balance those with motherhood, or simply prefer those options over motherhood entirely.
If the only two options available to women are illegal or legal abortion
That is not the case. Abortion is not the only option or choice a woman has, but for obvious reasons of course, a legal abortion is preferable to an
illegal one for many reasons.
The strident opinions that promote scathing injunctions against women who have had an abortion, while neglecting to provide any viable
alternative, is an obvious example of exploiting the personal guilt of a conflict in order to divert responsibility
More Orwellian double speak? There’s diversion going on for sure, as no one is denying a woman other viable alternatives to abortion, and indeed why
should woman have to be harshly admonished for choosing to have abortions? As far as exploiting personal guilt, isn’t that the very aim of all the
pro life rhetoric about interrupting the potential for life being murder, coercing women through guilt to have children they do not want, or are not
ready, willing, or able to care for?
The 38% who say it would interfere with education, job or career - are again citing economic coercions
No, they are not. They are
stating an untimely and unwanted pregnancy at that point would interrupt their choice of finishing their education in a timely manner, or reaching
life goals that have nothing to do with motherhood, or make impossible continuing with their careers without the guilt of paying someone else to raise
their child in daycare.
easily made irrelevant by proper maternal leave, wage parity and access to day care.
Economic coercion as you call it, is irrelevant,
as even if you secured all you wish to for women, the fact is, not all women want to have babies or want to play part-time Mommy by having an
unexpected, untimely, or unwanted baby and putting it in daycare for someone else to raise. The fact so many children spend their infancy and
childhood in mass daycares is a sad commentary on the social structure which devalues the family.
for the 14% who cite not enough support from husband or partner
That is not an economic reason. That is about, emotional, psychological
support not financial, thus not economic.
That amounts to 178% of reasons cited as economic.
No it does not. The economic reasons were cited clearly, unemployment, and not being
able to afford the baby or childcare.
incongruity presented by percentiles exceeding 100% needn't be labored.
It is unrealistic to think all percentages would equal 100% when women may cite all the reasons, which may be many, she chooses abortion, which in
this study could equal 1300%, however not every woman is going to state every reason as we see. The math is simple. 28.5% is the combined citing of
health, rape, and incest reasons, 50% for economic reasons. The majority, a whopping 213%, of answers are reasons other then economics or abuse.
can be argued that the 25% of people who have abortions because they don't want people to know they had sex or got pregnant as well as the 22%
who assert they are too young, exemplify the underlying social biases that perpetuate the secondary status of women.
Or it could be taken at
face value and seen as young girls who are afraid of their parents disapproval, or who know they are not ready to become responsible for a baby, when
at 15 they aren’t even responsible enough to avoid an unwanted pregnancy, or have still been experimenting with sex, drugs, and alcohol.
Many women mourn their miscarriages with the same intensity they do a still born infant or lost child
Speaking from experience, a miscarriage may be mourned when the pregnancy is welcomed, expected or not, when unwanted, it is a relief.
the question can be asked why simple and reversible vasectomies are not performed more often in long term relationships
Shouldn’t a man have the right to choose a vasectomy, and not be forced or coerced into one? It does stand to reason, that logically, if you take
the right to choose from women, it would set a precedence that a man doesn’t have the right to choose if, or when, he makes reproductive choices
either. Elective sterilization for either sex could be the next victim if a woman’s right to choose were abolished.
In conclusion, I’d like to point out that pro life extreme feminism is not something you see often, and I see in this debate my opponent is very
determined and motivated to want to change society for women. However, I am not here to discuss or debate the reasons for what the possible causes for
perceived female oppression are, nor gender inequality, pay or wage parity, corporate and male dominated governments or societies, or the perceived
irresponsibility of men.
Not even in consideration on the influence those issues may have for some women in choosing abortion, for the very fact that this issue is simply
about a woman’s right to choose, which those who oppose abortion, would have such right stripped from women, and there is just no justifiable or
good reason for that.
For all of my opponents points, the pro life stance that a woman does not have a right to choose abortion, or my opponent’s rhetoric about the evils
of men and society, has failed to show how denying women the right to choose would benefit women, or society.
To strip away the right to choose makes no real headway for the fight for women to be revered, respected, or appreciated for their productive roles in
society, or viewed as capable intelligent women with minds of their own, capable of taking responsibility for their own fertility, and making choices
in their own best interest.
Without the right to choose, women are degraded to the position of human incubators and babysitters, who are too fragile of intellect and emotion, to
make their own choices.
In contrast, I have shown that women choose abortion for a multitude of elective reasons, and to deny her that choice, would deny a woman the right to
choose how she leads her life and pursues her goals, and indeed forces her into situations that are often detrimental to the baby, leading to
neglectful resentful or abusive care for the baby, or burdens for society in areas of welfare, daycare, or foster care.
In closing, I would like to remind those opposed to abortion, that the right to choose, includes abortion, but it does not seek to promote it as the
only choice. Nor does it attempt to exclude all other choices. Abortion is all about a woman’s choice, and her rights, and thus about her right to