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EU aims to criminalise Holocaust denial

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posted on Apr, 17 2007 @ 06:09 PM
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EU aims to criminalise Holocaust denial


www.ft.com

Laws that make denying or trivialising the Holocaust a criminal offence punishable by jail sentences will be introduced across the European Union, according to a proposal expecting to win backing from ministers Thursday.
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Apr, 17 2007 @ 06:09 PM
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i myself do not deny the holocaust happened but getting a jail sentence for such beliefs is tantamount to an Orwellian society.


I just wonder how long it is before you can be put in jail for saying 911 was an inside job.

www.ft.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Apr, 17 2007 @ 06:19 PM
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I have doubts that this will get passed easily, if at all.

I think that the UK and France will be some of the more vocal
opponents of it.


I personally dissaprove of making holocaust denial a crime.

[edit on 4/17/2007 by iori_komei]



posted on Apr, 17 2007 @ 06:41 PM
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I agree, it is ridiculous to hand out jail terms for people who deny the Holocaust. If they want to deny it, its not like they participated in it now is it. Methinks I sense the hand of the pro-zionist lobby on this drive to criminalise the denial of a historical event.

What *I* want to know is, when are they going to start imprisoning people who believe Man never went to the moon?



posted on Apr, 17 2007 @ 10:37 PM
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thoughtcrime. it's here. it's real.

"let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories" -george bush, cousin of the queen of england.



posted on Apr, 17 2007 @ 10:48 PM
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I always figured it was punishment enough to look like a retard for denying the holocaust.



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 01:36 AM
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right. so there is no reason to criminalize it.

i always thought it was really weird that it's such a big fuss. the jewish lobby is waaaaay too powerful.

how about other thoughtcrimes we can come up with.

for looking at a stranger with lust in your eyes, perhaps?
for leaving the toilet seat up?
for watching too much 'golden girls'?
for talking in pig latin?
for tony the tiger denial, maybe.

jailing people for what they think is a crime, in my mind.


(edit to fix some spelling)


[edit on 18-4-2007 by billybob]



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 01:56 AM
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Well, the thing is that it would probably also include questioning the official dead count or questioning anything else that is officially sanctioned by whatever Governing body enforces it.
Completely ridiculous and goes against everything the world fought against in WW2 and during the "Iron Curtain" years of the old Russia where people were regularly sent to Siberia for simply "thinking" something.



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by tombangelta
I just wonder how long it is before you can be put in jail for saying 911 was an inside job.


Yeah that's a good point, if we allow them to throw people in jail for denying the holocaust it could just be the tip of the iceberg which is the future. It's outrageous, this is free speech they're trying to restrict. So what if someone wants to deny the holocaust, it could make interesting discussion. As long as they don't go round taking the p*ss out of anyone about it, it's everyone's right to think what they want about it.



Originally posted by billybob
for tony the tiger denial, maybe.


Well there's no chance of that happening, everyone knows Tony the Tiger is real!



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Vipassana
I always figured it was punishment enough to look like a retard for denying the holocaust.


true

on topic i think this idea is fudged up
everyone has a right to say what they want and so forth even if it is retarded. and i doubt the EU will be able to pass this LAW



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 11:00 AM
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As I mentioned a while back, the law is already in affect in Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Spain, Belgium, and a host of other countries.

They want to push this on the EU agenda and it is highly likely that this is going to happen.


An absolute outrage...


Victims of Holocaust terrorism not up to date because:

Germar Rudolf? Extradited and Jailed last month.
Ernst Zündel? Extradited and Jailed last month.

Revisionists in Europe are threatened, beaten, killed and thrown in Jail.

A publisher in the U.S. was fire bombed.

Very, very sad. Zionism IS dangerous, and revisionism is dangerous to Zionism. Note: I mean Zionism, not the Jewish people. A lot of Jews oppose Zionism and even the state of Israël as well.

Free all revisionists! vho.org...

[edit on 18-4-2007 by Truth4hire]



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 11:06 AM
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I think you have to remember that Europe has ALOT of guilt over what happened during the Holocaust. Europe was very anti-semetic during the 1900s.

Many felt that the allied nations could of done a lot more to have prevented the holocaust. And Germany still has trouble of understanding why former citizens did what they did.

Btw, Holocaust denial is already a crime in France.

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[edit on 18-4-2007 by infinite]



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 11:19 AM
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I am probably one of the few ATSers that sees no harm in this law.
Of course people should be able to say what they think, and in 99.99 % of all cases people CAN say what they think.

Denying the holocuast is one of those exceptions for me.
Besides that denying the holocuast is as ridiculous as saying grass is usually not green, denying the holocaust can also influence less stable individuals to support groups and organisations that share the sentiments of the neo nazi's, something that should be avoided at quite some costs.

I find it funny that the country where everyone is supposed to be able to say what they think, is the country in which the singer of a popular girls band can not say what she thinks without being boycotted and trashed by half the bush-loving population.

Also strange that on the other hand, the "godhatesfags" church can just go on with their despicable bull#, justifying their discriminating and insulting behavior with a twisted version of christianity.

Freedom of speech and opinion can be abused. And those seeking for the boundaries of this freedom should find these boundaries at some point.



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 11:30 AM
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Seems this apply to just the jews killed by the nazis and ignore the Brits killing jews in the middle ages, Turkey's slaughter of the Armenians, Brits/Aussies killing 000's of aboriginals, US genocide in the Phillipines, Germany's previous genocide in Africa or the Belgians in the Congo etc etc etc

Surely it has to be even-handed and therefore the Turkish Govt (deniers of their own evil holocaust) should be liable to be charged.

Personally I fail to see why one holocaust is to be enshrined in law as fact when others are completely ignored - people are regularly prosecuted in Turkey just for suggesting the Armenian genocide happened.

Truly all human lives are, apparently, not worth the same amount



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Jakko
I am probably one of the few ATSers that sees no harm in this law.


This law is needed.

We need to stop people from abusing freedom of speech by spreading mindless hate.

[edit on 18-4-2007 by infinite]



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by Jakko
denying the holocaust can also influence less stable individuals to support groups and organisations that share the sentiments of the neo nazi's, something that should be avoided at quite some costs.


Well excuse me, but it is the PEOPLE who decide that by numbers.
If 51% of Americans turn to National Socialism all of a sudden, then America will be a National Socialist country. So be it. if you are part of the 49% and do not agree, you would have to "get out of Dodge".

If 51% of the World´s population agrees upon the fact that the color "Red" should be abolished, it will be abolished.

The majority by power of numbers should rule, not a powerful minority by power of corporate capital.



Freedom of speech and opinion can be abused.


The only thing which can be abused is power! Freedom of speech should be a primary right, and not a granted right by government.



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Truth4hire
If 51% of the World´s population agrees upon the fact that the color "Red" should be abolished, it will be abolished.


It wouldn't be.

51% is what you call a unjustified majority. It does not represent a true majority, it is still a hung decision.



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 11:50 AM
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As much as I think denying the holocaust is retarded, making saying your beliefs illegal is complete insanity. It could get worse from there, and they can start making saying other things illegal.

I hate holocaust deniers as much as anyone but I still disagree with this.



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 12:04 PM
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The Zio's have you Euro's fooled. The Holocaust Industry forments the notion that their tragedies during WWII were so horrific that it trumps any criticism of Israel and it's genocidal policies. 38 Holocaust museums in 18 countries....exporting guilt worldwide.



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 12:08 PM
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What the heck is happening over there? Cameras everywhere, getting arrested for believing something different...I think it's pretty ironic - they're arresting people for denying the holocaust, yet their society is getting to a point of fascism that could lead to their very own!

On a side note - we rented that movie "Children of Men" last weekend. Wow, what a grim picture of the near future. When you hear news like this, maybe they're not too far off!



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