FDA plans to reclassify all vitamins, supplements, herbs and juices as FDA-regulated drugs

Ok people... this is getting VERY serious! This move will eliminate nutritional supplements and natural medicine from the United States, ensuring monopoly profits and control by drug companies and the FDA.

The FDA is accepting public comments on the docket until April 30th.

What will happen:

Vegetable juice will be regulated as a drug. Raw juice retreats will be raided or shut down.

Therapeutic tea products, such as green tea, will be outlawed and confiscated.

Therapeutic tea products, such as green tea, will be outlawed and confiscated.


Growing and selling common garden herbs will get you arrested as a drug dealer.

Vitamin store owners will be arrested and prosecuted for "practicing medicine without a license."

Raw sprouts and other anti-cancer foods will be regulated as drugs.

Citizens owning personal inventories of "unapproved drugs" (vitamins and herbs) may have their homes raided at gunpoint and their inventories confiscated by armed law enforcement agents.

A new FDA "guidance" document, published on the FDA's website, reveals plans to reclassify virtually all vitamins, supplements, herbs and even vegetable juices as FDA-regulated drugs. Massage oils and massage rocks will be classified as "medical devices" and require FDA approval. The document is called Docket No. 2006D-0480. Draft Guidance for Industry on Complementary and Alternative Medicine Products and Their Regulation by the Food and Drug Administration.

It is crucial that you take action to post your comments with the FDA right now and write your representatives in Washington to put a stop to this outrageous effort to destroy natural medicine.


Source: Health freedom action alert: FDA attempting to regulate supplements, herbs and juices as "drugs"


The website link listed above contains instructions on exactly how to submit your complaint.



[edit on 11-4-2007 by annestacey]

I think you're overreacting just a.....well a whole lot! I don't understand why you want to allow unproven herbal medicines to be sold as cure alls. It is snake oil. I think this is very good.

Originally posted by arius
I think you're overreacting just a.....well a whole lot! I don't understand why you want to allow unproven herbal medicines to be sold as cure alls. It is snake oil. I think this is very good.

You are a disinformation agent.

Herbs and natural foods are the only real healing things we have that are safe. Pharmaceutical drugs are dangerous. They kill people. All the proof is available. All you have to do is read it. Get off this thread.

Originally posted by annestacey

You are a disinformation agent.

Get off this thread.

The member you just told to leave this thread has every right to respond to your post. Just because you don't like the reply is no reason to call them a disinformation agent.

I also happen to agree that more of this stuff needs to be regulated and tested.

Should I be allowed to pick the fur out of my cat's vomit and market it as a cure for cancer

If you're buying into these scams I feel sorry for you.
I also think your first post is a huge over-reaction, and I don't think you'll see people being rounded up for picking a few herbs from their garden :shk:

The extent to which a false paradigm has gripped the nation, is most evident in the decisions of the FDA regarding natural foods, herbs, and other alternative medicine components.

Our view of modern medicine is so biased towards expensive pharmaceuticals, that hardly anything is taught in medical schools about nutrition. Doctors are given junkets and kickbacks when they prescribe new patent medicines, or pharmaceuticals. Helpful studies including real science and laboratory controls about natural foods and herbs are suppressed, but profitable studies approving expensive drugs are shouted from the mountain tops.

Now the corporate strangle hold attempts to destroy DSHEA, and to make burdensome requirements for foods and herbs people have used for centuries. At the same time dangerous patent medicines are grandfathered.

If people think all of the above is not the case, you do not know the system of campaign fund bribery that has dominated our governmental system far too much for too many years.

I suggest the above link beginning this discussion deserves a read, rather than empty denunciations without foundation. Debate the matter, rather than relay ad hominem attacks and unsupported polemics. There is no broad based foundation suggesting pharmaceuticals are entirely sacrosanct, rather their own warning list of side effects suggest the need for a more attentive and informed public.

Herbs and other remedies of the natural health outlook have statistically insignificant negative reporting incidents. At the same time pharmaceuticals have side effects including death, and the common man must worship their products?

[edit on 11-4-2007 by SkipShipman]

There are 100,000 deaths and at least 2,000,000 injuries each year being caused by legal prescription drugs in the United States.

How many people are dying from drinking vegetable juice, eating garlic, blueberries, goji berries, wheat grass, spirulina or ginger?

How come the FDA and USDA allows our grocery foods to contain toxic ingredients like aspartame, monosodium glutamate, food additives and chemical preservatives like sodium nitrite that directly cause cancers of the digestive tract?

A lot of these ingredients are hidden in other ingredients in order to hide them and this is perfectly legal.

The information is all there and you can find most of it at NewsTarget. I know I promote this website a lot but it does have a huge resource of articles that cut right to the chase and tell the truth. The Truth. Something we don't get from the FDA, USDA, AMA, AHA or the mainstream media.

As for my outburst earlier, I apologize for that. I'm experiencing some major side effects as I wean myself off of some very dangerous antidepressant drugs (under a doctor's supervision).

I agree with you, I see this as a grave issue, as today more than ever people are seeing the nutritional benefit of taking herbs, vitamins and natural home remedies as alternatives to the slow death due to pharmaceutical drugs.

If you don't get why its so bad then you need to get educated in the issue at hand. In the past year, the FDA I believe has made it illegal to sue the drug companies for any sideeffects you are subjected to from these drug companies as long as they have been given the FDA approval. We as citizens need to let them now that we will not allow this to pass.

[edit on 11-4-2007 by Revelmonk]

This is indeed a matter of grave concern to many people who have no medical insurance and have turned to vitamins and herbs to help with health issues. I have used and studied vitamins and herbs for over 25 years, and there is a large body of information on the net, studies supporting the benifial effects, and also any dangers concerning the use of
vitamins and herbs. If you go to the site featured in the opening post follow the links and do some self educating, you might be surprised at how eyeopening the information is. I certainly trust a natural source over chemical substitutions. It has been proven with the FDA's track record that they truly have little or no concern over an individual's health and well being. If they can't regulate and monopolize it then it should be illegal, as they must feed the corporations.....Big Pharma!

no dictatorship in history that i know of regulated what you can eat and what you can't eat.


their motives are transparent and if i were paranoid i'd say they are trying to force the issue in order to create unrest, which would undoubtedly destroy many nations. (=their alledged goal)


anyways, you should read up on 'Codex Alimentarius' and how it would curtail everyone's food choices if enforced.

www.vitaminsinamerica.com...


it would result in a BAN of Coenzyme Q10 for supplemental purposes. at the same time, f-ex. statins are promoted by MSM - see

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and following posts for more

there is reason for hope, though:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

we are well into 2007 and the AER bill is not in place. if Codex can be delayed, it can be neutralized, too.


more regulations just mean that you will get only approved brands of snake oil, which then become mandatory. if you grow stuff yourself or if you are fully aware of the ingredients (which then have to be fully labelled, that's where legislation could be put to much better use!). i admit that this would conflict with exisiting drug legislation, though, because the eevil person in question could resort to growing normal, low-THC (as opposed to hashish) Hemp for its amino acids and overall nutritional value.

see rexresearch.com/hhusb/hmphlth.htm#hhl3 if you are interested.

looks like banning of certain plants was just the precursor to total food based dictatorship. i recommend the following thread for an overwiew about the situation on this forum

www.abovetopsecret.com...

even though the original video link is probably dead. just search for 'Nutricide' and you'll find it, though.

[edit on 12.4.2007 by Long Lance]

codex is being neutered bit by bit it seems

www.nutraingredients.com...

the real solution is of course calling these grand schemes of global control what the are: delusional schemes of grandeur, needlessly destroying the health, wellbeing and peace of entire nations. as long as concentration of power is heralded as progress we will not be able to get off this slippery slope.

who needs worldwide supplement bans? is there any reason which can stand scrutiny? snake oil is a matter of personal responibility, as long as ingredients are known. tbh, labelling is a cop out, without at least primitive lab tests in the hands of millions of people, we can never be sure of what we are eating as supplements.

annestacey, your post is so over-the-top fearmongering it's incredible.

I think that the FDA should show restraint in regulating such natural herbs and supplements, but when specific health claims are made for a product, it does seem they are marketing it as a drug and therefore it should be regulated for safety and effectiveness just like other drugs.

Labeling, testing and other things are no problem to me, I think claims should be investigated. It is a problem though when the availability of a product is hampered. In fact, I wish that there were no such things as prescriptions and we could buy whatever we pleased over-the-counter.

[edit on 4/13/2007 by djohnsto77]

Originally posted by djohnsto77
annestacey, your post is so over-the-top fearmongering it's incredible.

Yeah at first I thought it seemed that way also, but all of that information came from the NewsTarget website and Mike Adams is not really a fear-mongering kind of person. He is very truthful in his reporting and because a lot of people fail to pay attention to these issues, sometimes it requires the bells to be sounded a bit louder. I invite you to read his latest articles on this topic.

www.newstarget.com...

This is an excerpt from today's article right on the front page (the other articles are listed on the front page further down):

Holy water, for example, could be regulated as a drug. Churches that continue to use Holy water in their services could be raided and accused of practicing medicine. Sound absurd? The FDA has already conducted an armed raid on one church (see "tyranny" article, above) and made no announcement that churches are exempt from FDA rule.

Source: New FDA guidelines threaten religious freedoms; Holy water could be regulated as "drugs" and rosaries as "medical devices"


I agree with you... it sounds like fear-mongering. But his information is true and correct. But the FDA is an organization to be very afraid of. I came to my own conclusion that if Mike Adams feels this is so critical of an issue that he needs to ring the alarm bells, then it must be THAT serious.

Mike also states in that article:

The FDA believes it is above God. Any person who has ever dealt with the FDA will confirm this. The arrogance of the FDA is so extreme that if the agency could find a way to actually regulate God, it would no doubt have done so by now. Because prayer heals people; physically, emotionally and spiritually.

I think that the FDA should show restraint in regulating such natural herbs and supplements, but when specific health claims are made for a product, it does seem they are marketing it as a drug and therefore it should be regulated for safety and effectiveness just like other drugs.

Labeling, testing and other things are no problem to me, I think claims should be investigated. It is a problem though when the availability of a product is hampered. In fact, I wish that there were no such things as prescriptions and we could buy whatever we pleased over-the-counter.
[edit on 4/13/2007 by djohnsto77]

Yes I agree with your statements. However, the FDA is not known for showing restraint. I wish they could! If they could be fair and honest in their regulations, that would be great. But unfortunately, the FDA already has a long history of raiding health establishments. That information is in this article:

Tyranny in the USA: The true history of FDA raids on healers, vitamin shops and supplement companies


For me personally, it's frustrating. I've been on antidepressant prescription drugs for several years and have watched them affect me in very adverse ways which has damaged parts of my life that are now beyond repair. So now is the time that I absolutely have to jump off the prescription drug train before crashing and burning.

For people in that position, where natural herbs and supplements are critical for them to be healthy... the thought of having them taken away or regulated to such a point that it's nearly impossible to get them, really is a scary and serious issue which can be very emotional for some. I tend to get unusually emotional at times because I am still on the rollercoaster of coming off these meds. But I feel I'm lucky to have the "getting emotional" side effects and not the "killing spree" side effects.

Remember, the FDA that wants to regulate natural herbs, vitamins and supplements are also the same FDA that allows dangerous disease-causing chemicals in everyday grocery foods and allows them to be hidden in the labeling so we don't know they are there. Not to mention, the controversies surrounding water fluoridation, pharmaceutical drugs, fictional diseases, vaccines, conflicts of interest that run rampant and are pretty much ignored,... this list goes on and on.

To read more about the horrifying truth of the FDA:
www.newstarget.com...

People can continue to claim this is all fear-mongering but Mike Adams prefers to call it "brutally honest". In my opinion, anyone who thinks this is fear-mongering are those who haven't investigated these issues deep enough and do not know the truth. And there is a LOT going on that people do not hear about because you will not see or hear any of this in the mainstream media. The only way to find out this information is via the internet.

Fortunately (yes there is a good point in all of this!), this is not like the 9/11 conspiracy where the truth cannot be found. It's all out there in black and white... all you have to do is go read it for yourself.

Originally posted by annestacey

Vegetable juice will be regulated as a drug. Raw juice retreats will be raided or shut down.

Therapeutic tea products, such as green tea, will be outlawed and confiscated.

Growing and selling common garden herbs will get you arrested as a drug dealer.

I highly doubt this. You are telling me that after these "reclassifications" if I grow anything in my garden such as carrots, peas, potatoes, etc I will be arrested and charged as a drug dealer ahahhahahaah. Give me a break. I highly doubt that anything that you said in your first post is the truth. What you are implying is that we will no longer be able to buy green tea because it will be outlawed? No longer be able to grow our own food? I guess all the farmers in the world will all be arrested for being "drug dealers"

Please....

Originally posted by djohnsto77
I think that the FDA should show restraint in regulating such natural herbs and supplements, but when specific health claims are made for a product, it does seem they are marketing it as a drug and therefore it should be regulated for safety and effectiveness just like other drugs.

you think it should?

the FDA peeps must be laucghing their heads off at such naivity!


take a look at past 'experiences': Amino Acid : Banned.... Prozac: Approved.EMS 1989, follow-up


thse drugs often cause what they are supposed to prevent, i'll look for a link later if you don't mind, gtg.

[edit on 13.4.2007 by Long Lance]

Originally posted by CPYKOmega

Originally posted by annestacey
Vegetable juice will be regulated as a drug. Raw juice retreats will be raided or shut down.
Therapeutic tea products, such as green tea, will be outlawed and confiscated.
Growing and selling common garden herbs will get you arrested as a drug dealer.

I highly doubt this. You are telling me that after these "reclassifications" if I grow anything in my garden such as carrots, peas, potatoes, etc I will be arrested and charged as a drug dealer ahahhahahaah. Give me a break. I highly doubt that anything that you said in your first post is the truth. What you are implying is that we will no longer be able to buy green tea because it will be outlawed? No longer be able to grow our own food? I guess all the farmers in the world will all be arrested for being "drug dealers"

Please....

I didn't say it or imply it... I simply reiterated what Mike Adams said on the NewsTarget website. You can highly doubt whatever you want. Go read it for yourself and stop shooting the messenger.

Originally posted by Long Lance

take a look at past 'experiences': Amino Acid : Banned.... Prozac: Approved.EMS 1989, follow-up
thse drugs often cause what they are supposed to prevent, i'll look for a link later if you don't mind, gtg.
[edit on 13.4.2007 by Long Lance]

Exactly. Thanks Long Lance.

I don't understand how people can say they don't believe this information but they won't go read it. Maybe they will not allow themselves to think that our government could be so corrupt. If the rest of you who don't believe it can click your mouse on this link:
(www.newstarget.com...), go see for yourself how corrupt the FDA really is. Read the track record they have so far. It's long and ugly. And don't forget to check the articles on the USDA and the American Medical Association. Oh and don't let me leave out the American Cancer Society whose "race for the cure" is really nothing more than a scam to raise money for the pharmaceutical companies. It's like one big "Corruption Club".



Choose to look the other way if you like. But our food and water are being poisoned and what is the FDA doing about it? They're trying to take control of the only healthy food sources we have left. Do you know about terminator seeds? At some point we may not be able to grow our own food. Google "Terminator Seeds".

Long Lance - NewsTarget also has a list of articles that describe the prescription drugs that cause the diseases they're supposed to prevent. Lots of reliable information there!

Posted my comments to the docket:

Hello

I would like to take a moment to address the FDA and the possiblity of herbal supplements being regulated. I am strongly against this action because it goes against the basic principles of health care as it relates to preventive measures. I take health supplements to avoid sickness, which has been working out great. The FDA restricting my ability to prevent my own sickness is dastardly to be nice, and is an obvious demonstration of the organizations hypocracy and it's interest in keeping Americans sick in order to gain market share.

I will not tolerate this legislation and will take any and all action as a citizen and member of various health and human rights organizations to make sure this legislation is not passed.

Originally posted by anxietydisorder

Originally posted by annestacey

You are a disinformation agent.

Get off this thread.

The member you just told to leave this thread has every right to respond to your post. Just because you don't like the reply is no reason to call them a disinformation agent.

I also happen to agree that more of this stuff needs to be regulated and tested.

I also believe that this is disinfo.... I mean how on earth can you take this from us? BullS.....!!!!!


edIT
Just ate some Kava to spite these sobs, and to calm down. MAN IM PISSED





[edit on 13-4-2007 by tha stillz]

on psychotropic drugs:

www.newstarget.com...

Whitaker starts by debunking the effectiveness of these massively hyped wonder drugs -- antidepressants like Prozac, Zoloft and Paxil, and the new atypical antipsychotic drugs like Zyprexa. His research shows how they often are barely more effective than placebos in treating mental disorder and depression, despite the glowing adulation they have received in the mainstream media.

But he goes on to make the startling claim that these new psychiatric drugs have directly contributed to an alarming new epidemic of drug-induced mental illness. The very drugs prescribed by physicians to stabilize mental disorders in fact are inducing pathological changes in brain chemistry and triggering suicide, manic and psychotic episodes, convulsions, violence, diabetes, pancreatic failure, metabolic diseases, and premature death.

mainstream sources:

www.usatoday.com...

John March, chief of child and adolescent psychiatry at Duke University School of Medicine, prescribes the drugs to kids in some cases of serious illness when he thinks the benefits outweigh the risks. But he says prescribing them for behavior problems alone may be a mistake. "We have no evidence about the safety of these agents or their effectiveness in controlling aggression," he says. "Why are we doing this?"

At the same time, reports of deaths and dangerous side effects linked to the drugs are mounting. A USA TODAY study of FDA data collected from 2000 to 2004 shows at least 45 deaths of children in which an atypical antipsychotic was listed in the FDA database as the "primary suspect." There also were 1,328 reports of bad side effects, some of them life-threatening.

news.bbc.co.uk...

It is one of a class of drugs known as Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs).

There is evidence suggesting that some SSRIs are associated with an increased risk of suicidal behaviour and thoughts.

Question: what are anti-depressants prescribed for? aren't they causing the very problems they are supposed to cure?

Originally posted by annestacey


How come the FDA and USDA allows our grocery foods to contain toxic ingredients like aspartame, monosodium glutamate, food additives and chemical preservatives like sodium nitrite that directly cause cancers of the digestive tract?

Being a former food inspector for a state agency I also at one time shared your feelings on msg. However, after extensive research I found no evidence that msg was harmful to people. I wanted it to be because I thought I had gotten sick from asian food. However, that was just wishful thinking as I was biased. Perhaps the same way you are on this topic.

It is really two issues that you have brought up. First many prescription drugs are harmful and are overprescribed. It is the system that perpetuates the problem. You are correct in saying that the drug companies make new expensive drugs that don't work any better than the 100 year old medicine that now doesn't have a patent and hence has a low profit margin. You are completely correct on this issue. I truly feel for you as you get off anti-depressants. I have a family member who also has this problem.

However, the other issue is untested and unproven herbal concoctions. I am fine with using cheap medicines even herbal medicines if they meet stand up to the scientific method. Currently the only system we have is the FDA. Perhaps the FDA should fund testing on herbal medicines.