There are Christians then there are the real Christians..please know the difference

Getting serious

In a time of persecution knowing who is true and who isn't is a life and death matter

I operate from the spirit of God; thus i wouldn't waste my breath asking anyone if they were a Christian-and if they told without me asking i would be fascinated by that.
Thus it is case of knowing people by The Spirit.
Of saying in my heart- this is brother, a sister, and now in this life and death situation i will given my life for them as i can sence they will for me.
Doctrine/ideas -not important as we are both operating on a spiritiual intuitive level which "the world" has little or no understanding of.

Right is George Bush a Christain He says that he is and James Dobson seems to think he is ? Well on the spiritual test he honestly spooks me out more than any other President has done...and beyond that i as an elder look for fruit and take the long view of what the Bush family has been up to over the past 100 or more years....and once again I get spooked by that as well... so the word Christain may well be meaningless.

I think the whole point of the so called "out of church movement" is that some of the most skilled and experience operators of the Christian relgion are now working away "undercover" developing all sorts of interesting things well away from the distractions of organisation and publicity and religous mind games and politics.... so do hone up your skills in working out what is "good fruit" and what is "eternal" and do make use of this precious Spirit with which God has seperated you (holiness concept) to operate in His Kingdom..... take care love paul

Originally posted by paul NZ
Getting serious

In a time of persecution knowing who is true and who isn't is a life and death matter

bad christian, you can't have a persecution complex

not yours!

christians make up the largest religion in the world, they're one of the most trusted groups (even among members of other religions).

if you want persecuted look for people of the roma faith (better known as gypsies), jews (though not as much these days, they more have a problem with bigotry than actual institutional persecution), or atheists

You Americas are just like the Romans before their empire collapsed!

You have become so used to you (fake) Christain empire with it's (Fake) Christian values following it's (Fake) Christain agenda based upon (fake) Christian vales.....
In other words you are living in a bubble of your own making.... you cannot see what is happening elsewhere in the world nor are you able to assess what will happen.

China in the immediate post war period 1945-49 is where we can examine at much smaller level of scale American (in the days when American missionaries and CIA officers and diplomats sometimes were interchangable) how out of touch these Christians and their political sponsors were with another reality happening in China which is now with revisionist history become the only historical reality.
In the late 50s there were still books in circulation telling us what a wonderful Christian stateman the late Chaing Kai Shek of Taiwan was with his bible publisher father in law.
So what went wrong....what went wrong was the Christians had not been reading their bible nor paying much attenti0on to what it says;
Instead of "sticking to their knitting" preaching and converting and going out to help people the missionary and Christian establishment had hospitals and schools and universities (Like the Rockerfeller funded Peking Medical School) The belief that "we are right" and the "communists are wrong" blinded the community to the real corruption and need for political change. and finally the abundance of American money (and weapons) convinced the leaders that those who had no money (or weapons) could actually defeat them and prevail.

Now I only go at lenght about that short historical period which real China watchers knew would become a reality from the mid 1920s onward beacuse the same blindness has happened to USA Christianity.

The Prophet Isaiah no less in his call (chapter 6) was told to speak this:

Go and tell this people
Be ye hearing but never understand
Be ye seeing but never percieving
Make the heart of this people hard
Make their ears dull
Make their eyes closed
Or else they might see with their eyes
Or hear with their ears
Or understand with their hearts
and turn and be healed.
And i said howlong will this be for God?
Until their cities lie in ruins wwithout people
Until their houses are deserted and fields ruined and ravaged
Until I Am has sent everyone away and the land is forsaken
and although 10% remain in the land it will be laid waste
But as the the (word uncertain) and God leave stumps when cut down
the holy seed will be the stump in the land.

Most Christians are heading towards hellish reincarnations,due to false teachings from unqualified priests including higher hierarchy.
The original teachings of Christ,who was an Essene,include reincarnation,vegetarianism and pure living in a simple way.
Actual Christians are doing the opposite,except those who do follow such rules,which are necessary,just like Buddhists and higher castes of hindus follow.

essene.net...
christianveg.org...

paul NZ, CHRISTIANS, whether or not you consider them to be "true" christians, are in no way persecuted in the world. you're the biggest religion! by definition you cannot be persecuted.

whew last post was almost 4 years ago...but this is well worth bumping up....


a lot of people are still throwing around the word christian like there is only one kind. i believe there are two kinds of christians.

the first kind is the anti-christ..ian. its the one "in place of" the real christian belief. the christian that believes in war and hate and judgment on other people. example...bush, sean hanity, most of the feel good christians who know little about christ and his teachings and are very much into the mainstream religion who call themselves christian. its a deception....which i think is part of the antichrist system to get the world to hate the real christianity.

then there are the real christians who take very seriously the teachings of christ who get thrown in there with bush and the like. please know that there are two different types. the antichrist..ians and the real chrisians. you can know the difference between the two by the fruits of their spirit....all of these lists are describing a real christian's character.


In 1 Cor 13, in the midst of Paul's description of the gifts of the Spirit, there is a section on love. While not directly about 'fruit', it is about what springs from love, and it is in much the same vein. According to verses 3-8, love:

* suffers long;
* is kind;
* does not envy;
* does not parade itself;
* does not get 'puffed up';
* does not behave rudely;
* is not provoked;
* does not think evilly, nor rejoice in sin;
* rejoices in the truth;
* bears all things;
* believes all things;
* hopes all things;
* endures all things.

In Phillipians 4:8, Paul advises us to think on things that are:

* true;
* noble;
* just;
* pure;
* lovely;
* of good report;
* of any virtue;
* worthy of praise.

In Colossians 3:12-16, the church members are told to put on (wear) these things:

* tender mercies;
* kindness;
* humility;
* meekness;
* patience.

Then, they are further instructed to:

* bear with one another;
* forgive one another;
* love;
* let the peace of God rule their hearts;
* be thankful;
* have the Word live in them;
* teach and admonish one another;
* sing with grace in their hearts.

This is all to be done in the name of Jesus, to further the purposes He came for.



[edit on 15-7-2010 by Funkydung]

There are followers of "the way" that Christ showed and there are Christians which are the bastard child of the Romans and Pharisees.

The church of the end times is not the church of the father and that is being proven every day.

Originally posted by Funkydung a lot of people are still throwing around the word christian like there is only one kind. i believe there are two kinds of christians.

A Christian is a Christian is a Christian; or, in French, cretienne.

Or, in English, cretin.

Nitwit.

Village idiot.

Clueless.

If you believe that Jesus is God; if you believe in a metaphysical 'soul' that will go to a metaphysical 'heaven' or 'hell' after death; if you believe in the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave; if you believe that Jesus will return 'riding a white horse out of the sky'; if you believe in 'the Rapture'; if you believe in the doctrine of "vicarious atonement"...

You are a Christian.

What you are not is a follower of the Teaching of Jesus.

It makes no difference if you are a Christo-Fascist (similar to the Sadducees at the time of Jesus) or a Christo-Socialist (similar to the Pharisees at the time of Jesus) you have no Knowledge of the Teaching of Jesus.

The original followers of Jesus were slaughtered by the Sadducees and Pharisees (Paul being a Pharisee).

This continued in the slaughter of the Gnostics and the destruction of their writings; and the extermination of tens of thousands of Albigensians and Bogomiles and the destruction of their writings.

What you are talking about here is a distinction without a difference.

Michael Cecil

There are definitely more than 2 groups of Christians. I'm guessing your idea of "real" Christianity includes an actual Hell? A lot of Christians don't believe it to be a real place, at most a metaphor.

So there are many, many types of Christians and Christian groups. Not only 2.

[edit on 15-7-2010 by ghaleon12]

Regardless of how many so-called "types" of Christains there are out there, I have NEVER witnessed a SINGLE ONE of them who didnt HATE another person or group over simply a differing of opinions or beliefs. Seriously!!

Even in close-knit families who have always gotten along with each other, will develope nearly unforgivable friction over a member of their family marrying another that is OUTSIDE of their particullar "faith". A family member chooses LOVE over RELIGION, and the once close-knit family is at each others throats over FAIRY TALE beleifs. There are dozens of other examples of similar SILLINESS.

And regardless, if there are Christians out there who actually follow the stories of the character jesus' teachings, I would say an accurate estimate of those such "types" are LESS THAN 1% in all honesty.

I once was one, and knew MANY. To be honest, EVERY ATHEIST I know is a MUCH more MORAL and ETHICAL person inside. Thats HANDS DOWN the truth.

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I'm sorry to hear that that's been your experience. I am curious about a couple of things, though. You said atheists are more moral and ethical than Christians. What is your definition of moral and ethical? What are they based on?

You mentioned hate, too, in regards to Christians' attitudes to those with different beliefs. First, again, I'm sorry that you've never met one who didn't hate those who disagree with them. My experience has been significantly different, but that's beside the point.

What is your definition of hate? How has that been displayed in every Christian? How has that been displayed in every Christian that hasn't been displayed by atheists?

OP, how do you explain Luke 10:25-28? When asked by a scribe "what must I do to inherit eternal life?", Jesus asks him "what is written in the Law?" When the scribe answers with the two most important commandments "Love the Lord thy God...love thy neighbor...", Jesus tells him that he answered correctly: "Do this, and you shall live."

There are other instances where Jesus explains what is required to inherit eternal life, or enter The Kingdom, and leaves Himself out of the equation. The Beattitudes, and the statement about becoming like a child, come to mind.

John 14:6 is one of the most misunderstood and misinterpreted statements of Jesus. The word translated as "comes" (no man comes to the Father...) in the Greek text is the word erchetai, which is strictly present tense. He is speaking to those seeing Him and experiencing Him at that moment. By seeing Him at that moment, those in attendance were experiencing the Absolute, the "I AM" that He previously referred to. That scripture is not about exclusivity, it is about what Jesus represented (The Way, The Truth, The Life) to those people at that moment. Fundamentalists have used this verse to condemn to Hell (among others) Buddhist priests and Hindu mystics.

Have you ever read some of the comparison sayings/teachings of Buddha and Krishna? There are many that are remarkably similar to the words of Jesus. Jesus would have been well aware of Buddhism and Hinduism, yet He never condemned them, or their adherents. (The Holy Spirit even kept Paul and his companions from traveling to Asia.) The only religious people Jesus condemned were the Jewish leaders of His time; for the Jewish people of that day, those leaders falsely represented themselves as "The Way." Something to think about...

Oh, and while you're at it, do a little research on Melchizedek...who was not an Israelite, had no parents, was never born, never died, yet Abraham gave him a tithe, and Jesus is a high priest in the order of Melchizedek. This COULD be interpreted that Jesus was not the first incarnation of Christ.

reply to post by govindas

govindas, what proof do you offer (either canonical Gospels or Gnostic Gospels) that Jesus taught vegatarianism? (I certainly don't dispute that He may have been an Essene, and taught a simple way of life.)



[edit on 23-7-2010 by The Stache]

how any group can claim descendency from a past not relative to their own is stupid. are you saying any person who is calling themselves anything other than what their parents call them are "good christians"?

where is the line drawn between the people who have turned away in the wilderness and those who have turned so far they are facing moses? those who followed choose not to follow moses' gods law thus they cannot inherit what moses has dictated for his own generation; regardless of if they follow the law moses gave to others to follow and not his own self.

how about this op;

you can continue being the way you are regardless of how many labels you choose to accept.

YES VERY TRUE I THROW AROUND I AM A CHRISTIAN YET NOT A GREAT CHRISTIAN, I DO NOT GO FOR NAMAZ TO MOSQUE, I READ HOLY QURAN IN ENGLISH TRANSLATION ONLY AND ONLY OF MOSES, for more then 15years, hate to be around muslims, dislike muslims hate then by heart yet not a christian, nor a muslim like them but a christian by heart, but a loner, as a person here who wants to cut of all links with muslim world some how, yaah my alfa lusso is the true religion to keep them far away from me

I only read the OP, so I'm sure someone already mentioned this, but every Christian I know points fingers at other Christians. They all think they are the real deal and all the rest are phonies... except they all say the same thing about each other! I'm not one of those people who expect all Christians to be perfect, but I rarely see any Christians that truly follow the teachings of Christ. There is nothing worse to me than someone who proclaims to be holy, but their unChrist-like actions speak far louder than their words. World seems to be full of people like that right now, in all religions.

reply to post by Balkan


The OP, -- read him. He's hating half the Christians (the ones who aren't real).

My brother, Toddy, (dead now) was one of those Christians who thought that his flavor of Christianity was the only one. He went through churches like they were ice cream cones. He finally started his own "Home Church", populated by the biggest bunch of wimps you have ever seen.

He was one of those huge guys, 6'6" tall, as wide as a 747. He was the President of the then largest agribusiness in the world -- that company went under.

He and his wife, between them had 7 brothers and sisters. All of them (including me) got so they (we) couldn't be with Toddy and his wife.

Deliver me from the Bigot Christians. Sacred is the business of Hatred..



[edit on 24-7-2010 by etcorngods]

You forgot the 3rd kind, the lunatics, the evangelical Baptists...although I'm not sure you can call them Christian, they're more like a crazy sect like Scientology.

reply to post by Funkydung




your list of passionate items would suggest that you are actually refering to:
Real-Real-, Honest-to-God, 150%, true-blue, faithful, Believers!!
(rrhto150tbfb)

come on lets be realistic, there are 100s of levels/dimensions of belivers/faithful in the sphere of Christianity...

putting them into just two categories, is futile... & full of loopholes,

there are apostles, clergy, prophets, elders, those in ecstacy, the tongue speakers, of course the martyr class...
& then modern corporate levels such as deacons, preachers, laity, cardinals, bishops, evangelicals, & of course the entertainment class of 'power' studs that amaze us with stunts-for-jesus stuff... et al, et al


~what a comedy !! ~

[edit on 24-7-2010 by St Udio]

Originally posted by MrXYZ
You forgot the 3rd kind, the lunatics, the evangelical Baptists...although I'm not sure you can call them Christian, they're more like a crazy sect like Scientology.

If we had a contest as to which flavor of "Christian" is the worse -- it has to be the Catholic. They rape young boys, hold whole countries in hostage to their corruption and hypocrisy; they disallow gays to be in the Church, yet the majorities of their Priests (and the Pope) are gay.

Look at Haiti. There were 500,000 orphans before the earthquake, and the Church did not allow earthquake – just a bunch of Tiger Woods running around depositing babies and moving on.