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MSM Quotes ATS Without Giving Direct Credit

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posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 03:28 PM
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MSM Quotes ATS Without Giving Direct Credit


seattletimes.nwsource.com

NASA scientists seeking ideas need look no further than the countless Web sites devoted to conspiracy theories and paranormal phenomena, more than a few of which presume that NASA knows the answer — and is covering it up.

"I can't wait to hear NASA explain this thing," one blogger wrote. "Isn't there some statement out there that straight lines in nature are impossible? Well, here are six."

Another hypothesized that the cloud "involves masonic black sun worship from all around the world. So whatever is happening here is possibly the energy fluctuations alien beings are toying with to influence our daily lives."

The military, at least, seems to have escaped blame this time: "Good thing it wasn't a pentagon," one contributor wrote on a conspiracy-theory-friendly Web site, "or there would be lot of freaked-out people."

(visit the link for the full news article)



Related AboveTopSecret.com Discussion Threads:
Bizarre Hexagon Spotted On Saturn



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 03:28 PM
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Check it out!!! The first page of the thread below (above) has two of these quotes on it. Would have been nice if they named ATS. This story was nationally syndicated.

seattletimes.nwsource.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 4/3/2007 by WellSee]



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 03:36 PM
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Interesting find WellSee.


It would have been nice if they would have at least mentioned AboveTopSecret.com in quoting from our thread. However, now we know that some mainstream news journalists are reading up on the news right here in our own alternative news forum.



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 03:38 PM
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Shame on them for choosing not to abide by our Creative Commons License.

It's not that complicated really.

They would of simply had to cite ATS as the source the same way we cite them when we quote one of their news stories. Instead they decided to break copyright laws. :shk:

On a positive note, someone over there knows where to get the good stuff!

.



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 03:49 PM
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LOL

nice one WellSee


I think it may be bored journalists tired of having their stories "hush-hushed", while here we scour the entire face of the earth, post up stories and work them through beginning to end, with some very fiesty commentary I might add.

Some end up being less than originally claimed but we let our members decide what is relevant or not.

Seems a much better way IMO, MSM acts like

"We can't handle the truth", but here that is a primary goal,

MSM should try it sometimes.......

PS - Here at ATS we love to credit all sources we use......



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 03:49 PM
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Take it to 'em Amigos!!
You'll either get some money for the site, or some add space at the paper.

That translates into moolah, which translates into dinero, which translates into duckets, which translates into..... I'm not sure what a ducket is actually.



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 03:52 PM
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Thats interesting.
I wonder if the reporter is a member, or just a lurker?

Raso, LOL.
I think a ducket is what happens when someone throws a bucket at you.



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 05:56 PM
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What's the deal with mods bumping this thread over and over?

Slightly off topic, but I noticed Umbrax doing it, then 12m8keall2c.



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 06:06 PM
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I bumped it because I've been quoted in the Washington Post


Why?



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 06:09 PM
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Well Umbrax I am very disappointed on MSN they only refer to you as the logger and didn't even name ATS.
:Lil:

[edit on 3-4-2007 by marg6043]



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 06:10 PM
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Hey, thats pretty cool. Nice going Umbrax



You deserve to bump this topic!



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 06:12 PM
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... and we all know how loggers are having a hard time of it lately. Well, at least in Canada, eh? *cough*NAFTA*cough*.

I think it's great that ATS material is finding its way into mainstream journalism, but I think it's a shame that they couldn't give proper credit.

For shame.

Gee, I guess I'm another mod bumping this thread.



spelling edit

[edit on 3/4/07 by masqua]



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by enjoies05
Hey, thats pretty cool. Nice going Umbrax





The quotes were from me and Tea. Here are the links.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is pretty cool but I was more excited to find out that I was quoted in this month's Wizard Magazine.



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 06:22 PM
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Whoah, where's the link to the Wizard quote dude?



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 06:22 PM
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... within many if not all upline media outlets.


What's the deal with mods bumping this thread over and over?

Slightly off topic, but I noticed Umbrax doing it, then 12m8keall2c.


? try pulling their content ... void of proper attribution, or adherence to stated policies regarding further distribution thereof.

IMO,
An excellent find by WellSee, an excellent example of creatively grabbing content, and an excellent opportunity for initiating a retraction by means of the Creative Commons license/agreement.




My $.02 and cause for ... applause ... I mean FLAG... No...*bump*
... yeah, that's it.
*bump*

[edit: to add]

Umbrax and Tea

 

[edit on 3-4-2007 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 06:58 PM
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Thanks for all the applause/bumps.

I did not read through the whole Saturn Hexagon thread, I wonder if that third quote is in there or if someone knows where it is from.

I will be interested to see if there is anything to be done about this. If I had to guess, I would say no. This kind of loose quoting from internet sites probably falls into that grey, developing area of internet copyright laws. Plus, you would think that the Washington Post would have a policy about those kinds of quotes that would prevent them from getting into legal trouble.

But, I guess WellSee (get it, We'll See).



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by spacedoubt
Thats interesting.
I wonder if the reporter is a member, or just a lurker?



I bet you my bottom dollar it is a member. Before you ask, no, it's not me.
I would have credited it to ATS.



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by WellSee
Thanks for all the applause/bumps.

I did not read through the whole Saturn Hexagon thread, I wonder if that third quote is in there or if someone knows where it is from.


The black sun worship one? It's here.

So a congrats to 7Ayreon as well for being quoted by a paper that decided not to source.


I know what my AP English teacher would have done.



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by niteboy82

I know what my AP English teacher would have done.


Ahem, plagiarism.
I have never done it, but God knows I have heard enough about it in my life. I am a Media Communications student.



posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 08:04 PM
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I just sent them this...




______@washpost.com
Attention: Nation & World
RE: No Attribution

We've encountered a story by someone who appears to be a staff writer, Rick Weiss, that has received some high degree of broad distribution.
"6-sided cloud confounds NASA"
seattletimes.nwsource.com...

The story uses information posted by our members at www.AboveTopSecret.com in this discussion thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

We're pleased that you've followed in the footsteps of CNN, FoxNews, MSNBC, The New York Times, the Discovery Channel, the History Channel, and many others in realizing we're an excellent source of informed commentary on provocative topics. However, there is no attribution indicating the source of the quotes in your story. Such attribution is clearly required by the copyright notice attached to each member's post on our Web site.

I would kindly ask that you publish an update that indicates, at a minimum, AboveTopSecret.com as the originating source of the commentaryin Rick Weiss' article.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.


Partner and Community Director
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