Russian stealth warship best light frigate in world?

A serious contender whichever way you look at it, the latest Russian corvettes have a lot going for them. They are the P20380:




Now argue about it

[edit on 3-3-2007 by planeman]

it hardly argue that is a great stealth ship, its pretty obvious in that picture lol

But it is a serious looking bit of kit!

I watched a Sachsen Class (F124) air defence frigate for the German Navy being launched from Wilhelmshafen about three years ago. Now this ship kicks rump!

The Sachsen Class is about twice the size of the 20380, it's a destroyer being called a frigate for political reasons like similar European "frigates". It's not equivilent to the 20380 in role, size or age come to mention it.

This is the successor of the Krivak III class?

Originally posted by planeman
The Sachsen Class is about twice the size of the 20380, it's a destroyer being called a frigate for political reasons like similar European "frigates". It's not equivilent to the 20380 in role, size or age come to mention it.

That's a lightly armed destroyer!

What if it's frigate not just because of political reasons?

I would like proof for this because this looks like a frigate to me.

Shattered OUT...

A Frigate is:

A warship, usually of 4,000 to 9,000 displacement tons, that is larger than a destroyer and smaller than a cruiser, used primarily for escort duty.

A Corvette is:

a lightly armed, fast ship used mostly for convoy escort and ranging in size between a destroyer and a gunboat.

The Russian Ship is 93m with a displacment of 1900 Tons and is a Corvette not a light frigate!

The Sachsen class is 143m Long with a displacment of 5900 Tons and is a Frigate

Since when did the classification of ships become political?

But arguement aside they are both great ships

Responding to the above poster , warship designation is surely a victim of the political correctness cancer , here in Europe , I would Argue that anything above 5000 certainly 6000 tons be classed as a destroyer , however the thinking in theese European countries is that it sounds well to war like better to call it a Frigate and be done with it.

As to light Frigates /Corvettes I feel that the Israeli/US built designed S'arr 5 class is worth mention.

Originally posted by Jimmy1880
A Frigate is:

A warship, usually of 4,000 to 9,000 displacement tons, that is larger than a destroyer and smaller than a cruiser, used primarily for escort duty.

A Corvette is:

a lightly armed, fast ship used mostly for convoy escort and ranging in size between a destroyer and a gunboat.

The Russian Ship is 93m with a displacment of 1900 Tons and is a Corvette not a light frigate!

The Sachsen class is 143m Long with a displacment of 5900 Tons and is a Frigate

Since when did the classification of ships become political?

But arguement aside they are both great ships

In the US Navy and most other western navies, the destroyer is larger than the frigate.

From largest to smallest:

Cruisers - originally a capital ship of 10,000 tonnes or less, cruisers today are primarily distinguished by their large and varied armaments. In fact, most of today's cruisers are built on destroyer-sized hulls, but have enhanced weaponry and sensors, primarily disgned around AAW and ASUW. Relatively few real cruisers exist today.

Destroyers - primarily ASW platforms, originally designed to provide capital ships with protection against MTBs. The term "destroyer" sound a bit aggressive, and some of the lilly-white navies of the western world have dropped the designation for the more pleasing term of "frigate".

Frigate - formerly known as destroyer escorts, they are small vessels designed for convoy escort and light ASW missions. AAW and ASUW armaments are limited. Most European "frigates" are actually the size and armament outfit of a destroyer.

For all you landlubbers;

What is the difference between a Frigate and a Destroyer?

Answer:

The primary role of a destroyer is to defend against airborne attack; by aircraft or missile.

A frigate's primary task is to defend against submarine or surface threats.

Size of a ship has less to do with classification than does function!

The good old Type 22 Frigate of the Royal Navy is still a sweet workhorse

The best frigate though has to be the:

Centaur Class Frigate

Model Type: NCC-2385
Vehicle Type: Frigate (Would be considered a heavy cruiser by Phase World Terms)
Crew: 125 (12 officers and 113 enlisted)
Troops: 20 Marines.
Vehicles: 2 Shuttles

SWEET

Originally posted by Pyros


In the US Navy and most other western navies, the destroyer is larger than the frigate.

Exactly!
Why the confusion?
Cruiser > Destroyer > Frigate > Corvette > Fast Attack/Patrol craft

Jimmy1880,

If you're restricting naval ships to individual roles then basically a Frigate w/o a destroyer(and vice versa) would be open to attack from a foe it cannot counter.
By definition(and obviously by need) a Destroyer is(should be) capable of countering both aerial and sub threats. Same with a Frigate.
The key is that a destroyer is more self-sufficient than a Frigate, and can traverse farther. Also its deliverable weapons payload is more, agility is less,defenses are more.

So how do you configure a fleet?
Any strategy gamer will be able to tell you that a capital ship (like a carrier) will aid in delivery and recovery of extremely agile assets(air power).
Destroyers/cruisers will constitute your bulk strike force(i.e. inflict heavy damage on coastal areas,venture to take out capital ships etc etc..) essentially your sledge hammer.
Frigates are more of a forward expeditionary/recon force that survey the fleet line and patrol outer areas along with air assets. They can hold their own and bring to bear enough fire power against any enemy force encountered during such recces until the bigger guns arrive.

so how is this ship the best?

Thats an excellent question. I see nothing in this ship that gives me the impression that its nothing more than an ordinary war ship, much less the best in the world.
Im not at all impressed

Originally posted by warset
so how is this ship the best?

Originally posted by warset
so how is this ship the best?

Dude, look at the funny shapes, it's stealth... I jest but only slightly. Anyway, I too always thought that it went Cruiser - Destroyer - Frigate - Corvette... However I always viewed the Frigate more specialized in ASuW, that is within the umbrella of a destroyer or cruiser.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
However I always viewed the Frigate more specialized in ASuW, that is within the umbrella of a destroyer or cruiser.

That would definitely be a logical choice as frigates would be more agile and that is exactly what one needs to hunt subs.
Destroyers would obviously have larger turn radii and thus the anti sub payload deployable spread would be not as tight as it would be with Frigates.

Originally posted by WestPoint23

Originally posted by warset
so how is this ship the best?

Dude, look at the funny shapes, it's stealth... I jest but only slightly. Anyway, I too always thought that it went Cruiser - Destroyer - Frigate - Corvette... However I always viewed the Frigate more specialized in ASuW, that is within the umbrella of a destroyer or cruiser.

no, most new designed ships have this similar layout/shape,
they are not stealth like stealth aircraft, but they are lower observable compared to older models, but still not invisible to radars

what really make battle ships outstanding is their weapon systems

I don't know what specials stuff is on this ship to make it outstanding, so im asking that question.

PS. to me, the only special thing that i see from the pic is that very cool anti-air/missile rapid gun

[edit on 3/7/2007 by warset]

Class designations often depend on the nation involved.

In the Royal Navy ASW escorts are referred to as "Frigates" despite the fact that they're often larger than contemporary Destroyers - which in the RN are AAW escorts.

In the USN "Frigate" refers to an escort class smaller than a Destroyer, regardless of role (the US once called these "DE's" or Destroyer Escorts). USN surface vessels are typically multirole vessels so assigning class by role wouldn't make much sense.

To add to the confusion many EUropean navies refer to most of their surface vessels as "frigates", regardless of their size and capability, because a "Frigate" sounds like it ought to be a better bargain than a "Destroyer". The all time champions of this kind of thinking would be the RN, who called the Invincible class light carriers "Through-Deck Cruisers" so as not to alarm penny-pinchers in Parliament

[edit on 3/7/07 by xmotex]

looks like a high tech fishing ship to me a piece of junk

I'm still waiting for the OP to explain exactly *why* these ships are the best light frigates in the world. It's hard to say yea or nay until we know what that opinion is based on, after all.

I thought we were trying to stamp out these "Best XXX in the World" threads.

All that they give rise to is pointless bickering about the rules of the game.

No one has even posted about the capabilities of this ship, armament, sensors, radar cross section, etc etc - we're still arguing about the difference between a Corvette and a Frigate !